OEM or Big Turbo?
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Its all down to the way its mapped.
Jabba but a controller on my cars map, basically I can change the torque in real time as im driving. On its lowest setting its very fast but it feels less nippy than my stage 2 k03s. So its very drivable. You can just feel the turbo pushing you back.
Turn the dial all the way up and foot down and shes a little torque steery, absolute savage a 4k rpm . Its still drivable and you can get a fair bit from 2nd gear if gentle. 3rd is easy to keep the power going down as long as you dont stamp the pedal.
But all that can be adjusted if you wanna turn the dial whilst in the throws of gear changing... but its easier to turn it to max and use the foot.(hate multitasking!)
The thing about the car that i love isnt the numbers, its the power/torque sustain. Your able to make power to the red line, cars driven higher in the rev range so the cars louder and its more fun. I hear many say their remaps make power to the redline. Try BT
Mines a vf23 so not as laggy as some but the car is very usable, mine as a daily driver for 2 years.
All the states of tune spin the wheels if driven badly, its how the powers delivered via foot or map that makes the difference. Theres hybrids bending rods on less power than me.
Jabba but a controller on my cars map, basically I can change the torque in real time as im driving. On its lowest setting its very fast but it feels less nippy than my stage 2 k03s. So its very drivable. You can just feel the turbo pushing you back.
Turn the dial all the way up and foot down and shes a little torque steery, absolute savage a 4k rpm . Its still drivable and you can get a fair bit from 2nd gear if gentle. 3rd is easy to keep the power going down as long as you dont stamp the pedal.
But all that can be adjusted if you wanna turn the dial whilst in the throws of gear changing... but its easier to turn it to max and use the foot.(hate multitasking!)
The thing about the car that i love isnt the numbers, its the power/torque sustain. Your able to make power to the red line, cars driven higher in the rev range so the cars louder and its more fun. I hear many say their remaps make power to the redline. Try BT
Mines a vf23 so not as laggy as some but the car is very usable, mine as a daily driver for 2 years.
All the states of tune spin the wheels if driven badly, its how the powers delivered via foot or map that makes the difference. Theres hybrids bending rods on less power than me.
There have been quite a few ko3s' that have made over 250bhp at the fly, Bill's Lupo being one i think.
To be honest i'm not convinced by the latest RR figure i got of 259 fly bhp. But saying that there were standard cars on the rollers that day that made bang on book power and a few that were down on power so you can make your own mind up on that one.
However the previous 4 RR sessions were all around the 250bhp & 250lb-ft mark.
I believe the car is the quickest ko3s ibiza mk3 at Crail's strip and that's what i'd prefer to gauge it's peformance on and I would say it backs up the 250/250 power claims.
what mods is it running to achieve that figure please could you list them im curiuos to know how lol
im guessing wmi and lots of advance ???
and is it mapped with a huge spike to get the large figure then no power up top??? or a smooth graph please post up
im guessing wmi and lots of advance ???
and is it mapped with a huge spike to get the large figure then no power up top??? or a smooth graph please post up
Usual mods some with a bespoke touch.
Quite the opposite. Your talking about a huge spike which is usually associated with most ko3/ko3s headline torque figure and boost spike. This one is progressively mapped, peak power and torque are both over 5k.
Quite the opposite. Your talking about a huge spike which is usually associated with most ko3/ko3s headline torque figure and boost spike. This one is progressively mapped, peak power and torque are both over 5k.
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again, bollocks, willie
when I was IHI'd at 360bhp level it was very drivable and tractable... because it did'nt have big torque
You seem very muddled about what you think you are building.. lightweight LCR for track use, OR ARE YOU? You keep talking about road use now... with your plastic windows, stripped out car etc etc.... contradiction or what?? Track car being used on the road is what its turned into
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dont quote the lupo, which never got a real 250+bhp imho, only a happy dyno figure
its a more realistic 220bhp/250lbft
Ok, just going by what you posted up.
In the defence of said "happy Dyno" would it not give happy figures for all the cars run on it that day?
Ok, just going by what you posted up.
In the defence of said "happy Dyno" would it not give happy figures for all the cars run on it that day?
yep
you just neglected to make reference to me saying it was a happy dyno..
I personally dont believe k03's make the 250bhp power some claim.
Ever seen a K03s log 208g/s airflow? thats the order of airflow required on regular fuel... AND/OR some high octane fuel/octane booster etc
MrsB Lupo was running 2 x tins of Octane booster on that dyno day (cheating
and max'd revo settings)That dyno measures a lot of stock cars making >stock power by about the same amount as they read high on remapped cars
I'll be installing my new dyno this coming week or so, so will be able to see whats what for my self shortly. (and calibrate it accordingly)
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But it didn't as i've already stated in an earlier post.
I never neglected to mention it. All i could remember was the figure you posted up.
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Has anyone tried rototest???
http://www.rototest.com/rototest-dynamometer.php
There´s a garage in my town doing these test but its very pricy! Supposed to be good thou
Prebs
http://www.rototest.com/rototest-dynamometer.php
There´s a garage in my town doing these test but its very pricy! Supposed to be good thou
Prebs
i honestly cant see a ko3s pushing 260 even with bespoke mods lol
as said the best ive seen was a true 251 on a 1.9 fully forged high flow manni high high flow inlet all head ported polished fully uprated head i.e valves running no cat and a very aggressive map and wmi and this was just to see what the k03s could push and no matter what the tuner did the best was 251 lol and you wouldnt have run these setting for a road car lol as the turbo would have blown its guts out
so please what bespoke mods have you got to do something with a turbo that no one else has???? apart from a few on happy dyno'd????
not trying to burst you bubble just what to know how so i can copy
as said the best ive seen was a true 251 on a 1.9 fully forged high flow manni high high flow inlet all head ported polished fully uprated head i.e valves running no cat and a very aggressive map and wmi and this was just to see what the k03s could push and no matter what the tuner did the best was 251 lol and you wouldnt have run these setting for a road car lol as the turbo would have blown its guts out
so please what bespoke mods have you got to do something with a turbo that no one else has???? apart from a few on happy dyno'd????
not trying to burst you bubble just what to know how so i can copy
242 & 295lbs is the most ive had. And that took a lot of doing. Timing was altered loads, boost dialled in via Greddy EBC and as many mods as possible without WMI
Logging 190g/s so it was shifting the air or a happy maf.
On 3 different rollers ive had 270lbs/ft+.
I could definitely break into the 13's 1/4 mile as i done a 14.2 after only 5 ever runs and on a car that wasnt running well that decided to shake the flywheel bolts loose, at this time i was RR'd at 228bhp and 280lbs/ft before further mods and tweaking to get the above figure.
Logging 190g/s so it was shifting the air or a happy maf.
On 3 different rollers ive had 270lbs/ft+.
I could definitely break into the 13's 1/4 mile as i done a 14.2 after only 5 ever runs and on a car that wasnt running well that decided to shake the flywheel bolts loose, at this time i was RR'd at 228bhp and 280lbs/ft before further mods and tweaking to get the above figure.
I dont think 1/4 mile is a good gauge of a high power fwd car on road tryes... which to be fair is what 90% of people run on.. Next to no one on here runs drag slicks do they else their times would be much much better (micky thompsons, etc etc)
were those figures on Craigs dyno Phil?
were those figures on Craigs dyno Phil?
That's nice to know.
I disagree with you slightly there Bill, but i see where your coming from. At every stage of me adding parts or changing parts for better ones i've got 1/4 mile times and RR print outs for nearly every stage and in my opinion it has been a good gauge of how much the car has improved along the way.
What would be your idea of a good gauge of a high powered fwd car?
242/294 was on Craigs yeah, youve seen this thread yeah?...
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=239502
Ive had 226/280 on Dastek Rollers @ Westec at 228/267 & 223/256 on Maha @ Powerstation FYI.
And btw i hit 182bhp and 240lbs on a standard car with Revo Stage 1 @ Westec.
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