DPJ's KiwiCupra's Clutch - A real 'Bitza' problem

[Fl@pper]

update

:VW:
Golf/Jetta 08/91-10/91
AUG ! 5S ! 08/89-10/91 ! 1,80 ! 77 ! 105 ! RV
AUG ! 5S ! 08/89-07/90 ! 1,80 ! 62 ! 84 ! PB
AUG ! 5S ! 08/89-10/91 ! 1,80 ! 66 ! 90 ! GU
AUG ! 5S ! 08/89-10/91 ! 1,80 ! 82 ! 112 ! PB
AUG ! 5S ! 08/89-10/91 ! 1,80 ! 79 ! 107 ! PF

Polo classic/variant 12/95-04/96 (96-00 model)
AUG ! 5S ! 12/95-04/96 ! 1,60 ! 74 ! 100 ! AFT

Scirocco 08/89-07/91
AUG ! 5S ! 08/89-07/90 ! 1,80 ! 70 ! 95 ! JH
AUG ! 5S ! 08/89-07/92 ! 1,80 ! 66 ! 90 ! EX
AUG ! 5S ! 08/89-07/92 ! 1,80 ! 82 ! 112 ! DX

:SEAT:
Cordoba 09/95-06/96
1.6 74kw 100bhp AFT

Ibiza 12/95-06/96
1.6 74kw 100bhp AFT

Inca 11/95-05/97
1.6 55kw 75hp AEE / 1F

 

[DPJ]

The Golf models look promising for the ebay flywheel.

So I need to try and find a clutch kit on ECP to match one of the golfs......

Or sell the AGG clutch kit I've got and get a kit elsewhere

 

[DPJ]

ECP lists Mk2 golf 1.8gti 8v Digifant PB - would that be the right model?

SACHS n/a 641440210 CLUTCH KIT 210mm GO1/2/JE1/2/SC/CA 1.8+GTi
From Eng PB 001111

£58.00 + Vat
odd - the kit I've got for the 2E was £73.28 + Vat

 

[Fl@pper]

i have 2 of that kit listed PB motor on the shelf so i can open em up and measure em for ya

QKT177AF

listed as
210mm
20.5 shaft
24 spline

but comes listed as a 2 part kit (cover/plate) and price wise sounds about right too as I retail £77.66 sell em trade £57+

has back plate (pressure) friction plate / release disc + spring but no release bearing

 

[DPJ]

Well, we've spent today with the assumption that the correct flywheel will go with my new Sachs AGG Clutch kit to solve the problem.

Tonight, however, I measured the friction plates.

Sachs 210mm AGG clutch - (new) - for a 21mm gearbox input shaft.

and the friction plate that's been on my car - it's for a 19mm gearbox input shaft.

.................

i have 2 of that kit listed PB motor on the shelf so i can open em up and measure em for ya

QKT177AF

listed as
210mm
20.5 centre bush
24 spline

but comes listed as a 2 part kit (cover/plate) and price wise sounds about right too as I retail £77.66 sell em trade £57+

has back plate (pressure) friction plate / release disc + spring but no release bearing

20.5 centre bush doesn't sound right. I'll measure my input shaft tonight - (rather than the max bore of the pressure plate) - and count splines.

 

[Fl@pper]

20.5 centre bush doesn't sound right. I'll measure my input shaft tonight - (rather than the max bore of the pressure plate) - and count splines.

just logged in to add a note the 20.5 is measured at the outside of the splines mind just to make sense - sorry

20.5 is smallest i have listed even on a maestro plate ??

 

[DPJ]

just logged in to add a note the 20.5 is measured at the outside of the splines mind just to make sense - sorry

20.5 is smallest i have listed even on a maestro plate ??

Cheers Fl@pper - really appreciate your help.

I got 19 and a bit mm from putting my digital vernier in the friction plate bore. This might not be maximum, so I'd best measure the input shaft.

 

[DPJ]

Frustratingly, there isn't room in the bellhousing to get my digital vernier in to measure the input shaft. I've just spent an hour or so f-ing about with different items trying to get an accurate measurement.

Dia of my input shaft is near as damnit 19.6mm. Allowing for the fact that the splines on the shaft are flat topped, I suppose a 20.5mm bored friction plate would go on. Definitely 24 splines too.

There's no way the friction plate I took off is 20.5 mm though.

 

[DPJ]

The ebay flywheel is definitely listed for a PB, so I've put an offer in for it.

 

[Damoegan]

Fingers crossed you get the right one this time mate.

 

[jenk]

Its a good job you have another motor to use, sounds an absolute nightmare.

 

[DPJ]

Its a good job you have another motor to use, sounds an absolute nightmare.

I never want to return to the days of family relying on one car (in a village). The problems are 4 times as bad when that one car goes down.

I'm also glad I had the car recovered home, rather than dumping it with a garage. This would have cost big bucks for someone else to sort and I would have been powerless to question.

 

[DPJ]

The flywheel's mine.

Thanks to m0rk for spotting it.

 

[UncleFester]

Good luck Dave!

 

[Fl@pper]

Good luck Dave!

 

[DPJ]

Am I the new Syphon?

 

[Fl@pper]

by the way my mrs wants to know why you resprayed your kiwi leon silver ?

 

[Damoegan]

by the way my mrs wants to know why you resprayed your kiwi leon silver ?

 

[DPJ]

Flywheel turned up by courier.

Opened the package - and it's very clearly stamped VW Part no. 027105273D

(Ebay advert said VW Part no. 027105271RX )

I'm trying to find out what 027 105 273D is from....

 

[DPJ]

Ring gear dia / position - everything else looks good and it's for a 210mm clutch. I just need to find a clutch that fits it / the gearbox otherwise I'm back to square one...