Do i need a remap again?

[cupraslayer]

A good mapper should just need to tweak the map ( not re do the whole thing ) . As with revo , once all the mods are done they charge £50 for stage 2 . From what I understand stage 1 is the base plate and stage 2 is just a tweak of stage 1 once all the mods are on .
Really the car shouldn't of had stage 2 until you had everything req. it can't be tweeted to what it should run at if it hasn't got it on . Bit naughty in my eyes. Looked like someone just wanted some £££ out of you and had no care about the car .

 

[D1andonlyantman]

I'm not entirely sure that's right. Maybe with a revo generic map you're right because they're sticking on a map for a car with mods you don't have, but if you get a custom map like ***** do, it will be custom to your setup so although you haven't got all of the mods required for a stage2, they basically just see what they can get out of the car. Most of what I know I learnt about motorbikes but it's generally the same deal, although I have noticed that generic maps are a lot more common on cars, on motorbikes getting a custom map is more the norm, so what you're saying about having all the recommended mods probably has more importance than it would on a bike.

 

[cupraslayer]

My bad if its a custom map. Still on the principle of selling someone a ' stage 2 ' map surely you need certain mods. Sounds like he has had a custom map that has been discribed as a stage 2 ( well almost ).

 

[D1andonlyantman]

Theres another thing I don't quite understand. On motorbikes you get it on the rolling road, they do their runs and create the map and the power you get is the power you get. Fair enough. I don't see why you have to pay more if you're expecting more power from cars? As far as I know they just need to get your AFR and boost right whether you're expecting 200bhp or 300bhp, it makes no difference. I could be wrong but it sounds like a bit of a con. Im not sure tbh and could have missed something. Sorry, just thinking out loud there

 

[cupraslayer]

Most mapper do road runs. The map is put on the car as a standard map. The car is then driven to tweek the map for maximum gains . If you add a exhaust at a later date , it would need to be changed as it now has more gas flow. Intercooler - changed for more air flow. Boost can be increased as the engine etc will run cooler. Hence more work I guess , costing more time and ££ . Does this not apply with bikes then ? Not clued up on bikes but wouldn't it work in the same way?

 

[D1andonlyantman]

Well bikes don't have boost so maybe it's a bit simpler but they throw it on the rolling road and get the AFR right and you're done. It isn't a half hour job tho, it takes hours. If you change anything they redo the map rather than tweek it, that's why you should do everything before getting it mapped or you'll have to pay the 150 quid again. One good thing about bikes is you use a fuel management system rather than change the ecu's standard map, and you can download maps off of the internet and upload them to the management system yourself so you have a half decent map until you can afford a custom map.

 

[ibizacupra]

You should get any and all mods done before you get remapped because engine mods will change the AFR, throwing the map off. I'm a motorbike man so don't want to pretend I know everything about cars, but as far as I know going decat really changes the flow rate through your engine meaning the air/fuel ratio isn't right. that's why it feels down on power.

it wont change the fueling in actuality as the leon cupra ecu is wideband afr and controls its own fueling.. and has +/-25% adaption range to achieve target "mapped" afr. A bolt on exhaust wont have changed this. It will have changed back pressure however which will usually effect spool and overboost...

no cats, second lambda will need coding out if not already done in the map

 

[D1andonlyantman]

Ok, I knew it changed the AFR but wasn't sure how much it can change it. So saying you're right and the car adapts the map to what it sees fit, how come once I get mine remapped the car won't just change it back to how it's fuelling now because presumably the car has adapted the map to suit the mods I've got? Why won't the car just 'undo' the map??