Bkd PD oil spec confirmation

[Rich07]

I'm sure this question has prob been asked before but here goes, I have a 07 2.0TDi PD bkd, I went to my factors to get oil and the one he gave me was VAG specific, it states VW 504 00/ VW 507 00/ bmw Porsche spec 5w 30 fully synth. So is this suitable for PD engines? I'm sure it's fine just wanted confirmation, every oil search comes up with this spec, but im sure PD spec was 505 01? maybe thats an old oil spec? Or maybe 507 00 exceeds this?

 

[Rich07]

He also said oil was DPF suitable, But I'm sure I've no DPF. In fact no I haven't.

 

[GlanzaV]

This should tell you:

Thanks to Wimbledonian for the chart in the first place.

So DPF Diesel = VW507.00 low ash emitting oil

 

[Rich07]

Mine is 2.0 TDi PD without DPF so I can use either 506 01 or 507 00? From my research PD engines use 507 00 except v10 r5 PD or commercial vehicles without DPF which use 506 01 exclusively? Whereas I believe mine can use either. 505 01 I believe is an obsolete measure which was original spec has now i think been replaced by 504 00/507 00? The chart ties in with my research thanx.

 

[Rich07]

So 507 00 meets the same spec as 505 01, perhaps exceeds it?

 

[Rich07]

So judging by the chart 505 01 can only be used on fixed interval servicing, whereas 507 00 can be used on either long life or fixed interval, so the difference I assume is 507 00 degrades slower or hold viscosity longer so perhaps superior? Thanx again!

 

[Rich07]

Btw, where did you source the chart?

 

[Rich07]

Ok so that chart is quite clear, however I had some spare time this morning so I went for a convo with my local motor factor who sold me the oil, I went to the shelve picked up the oil that was 'PD' version 5w40 and the oil that he's sold me 5w30 507.00 c3. I told him that he said my car was DPF and in actual fact it is not, and he said quite confidently that it's fine, he also said its fine to use the 507.00 DPF oil in a non DPF car but not vice versa, he said 507.00 is a higher spec and his words were, that grade for my car is 'overkill' it covers and probably exceeds my requirements, so simply 507.00 covers the spec it just burns cleaner than 505.01? So it would seem to tie in with the above chart

 

[Rich07]

Ok so before I went to my local factors I also emailed Castrol and here is what was said
Me: hi I own a 2007 2.0 TDI PD seat altea xl WITHOUT DPF, engine code BKD. I was wondering if you could clear up some confusion for me, I'm sure for this engine the original spec was 505.01?however my oil search produces 5w30 with spec 507.00?would I be right in assuming 507.00 covers the test conditions of 505.01? As now it seems 507.00 is the oil, I understand the w30/40 is irrelevant as in my climate ambient temp never exceeds 40 degrees c rarely even 30 c, please could you clarify the test spec as I want the very best most suitable oil property's for my specific PD engine, my understanding is 507.00 covers 505.01 or perhaps exceeds it? With variable service conditions , kind regards Richard.

 

[Rich07]

Castrol- hi Richard, The 505.01 spec was for early PD diesels without a DPF and on fixed service intervals(ie 12 months /9k miles)
The 507.00 spec was for vehicles on extended drain, and/or those with DPF fitted.
507.00 doesn't include the tests for 505.01-but for most circumstances, we would expect that 507.00 would cover the requirements and be suitable-there are some early PD engines around 2000-2002 where they specifically ask for a 505.01 oil
One could argue that the 505.01 is a higher lubricity oil, so in a car without DPF and on fixed servicing would be the preferred product-but in your case if you had a preference for the EDGE 5w-30, then that would also be suitable
Hope that helps
Kind regards
Andy Griffin.

 

[Rich07]

He hasn't entirely answered my question about which is superior so I'm going to ask him which he would use?

 

[Rich07]

Me- hi Andy,

Thank you for your time and swift reply.

When you say "...one could argue 505.01 is higher lubricity", does this mean that it has a wider operating range? I.e. w40 opposed to w30, or that it offer superior protection in my case?or would it be simply splitting hairs?

I have no preference on oil, other than I always choose Castrol, other than this my only other preference would be with regards as to which of the two would offer superior protection? Which would you use, if you had this car/engine?

I service the oil myself and my enquiries are to determine which one would perform the best.

Again, many thanks for your time.

Kind regards

Richard.

 

[Rich07]

Man I'm going to bloody dream of sodding oil tonight! Oil on the brain!.....brain oil? Omega 3? Right new search which fish oil is best for my brain!?

 

[Rich07]

But then again he would say 505.01 as it's fixed interval ie sell more oil!!! I'm just going to stick with the 5w30 507.00 I think??? We'll see what he says in reply n e way?

 

[Rich07]

Reply from castrol:
The early PD engines suffered from top end wear, so the 505.01 spec oil was designed to offer better protection and less wear, so you could suggest that ultimately, the 5w40 would offer enhanced protection compared to the 5w30 in my opinion-also being a more viscous oil -the film thickness at working temperature would be greater, so again better protection.
However , the 5w-30 507.00spec is the oil used in virtually all later VW PD engines post 2002ish, so to be honest, in reality I doubt you would no the difference.
Me? I would probably go for the 5w40 to be honest
Cheers.

 

[Rich07]

I've just researched Andy Griffin is BP and Castrol automotive and industrial advanced technical advisor, so if 5w40 505.01 is good for him then it's good for me! lmfao!! 35 years "hands on"experience in the industry.

 

[Rich07]

Ugh I need a beer!

 

[Samcupra88]

Hi everyone Iv got a 2013 seat ibiza cupra. I got it in September had 27000 mile on clock

Anyway with in the first month my car drunk 4lts of oil
Month after that again 3/4lts month after that 2lts
Anyway took the car back to seat they did a ecu update and changed the gear box oil

And then had a look at the engine oil
They changed the filter and all the pipes not sure what else got the car back two days later.

Was going fine first 2 weeks and then light come back on , called seat they said they filled it up

Anyway topped up again
Then. Two weeks later oil late come back on so from jan to now 3 times Iv toped up
It's about 5lts

They have took my car of me now after moaining and kick up about up about it. Spent so much money on oil well over £150


They said there going take it for 60mile year drive. And then see how much oil it's drunk If not there going out new engine in the car


Anyway. Question I want know is anyone haveing this much problem with the car.


Thanks

 

[Rich07]

Hi I think you have posted in wrong place? A new engine does I believe eat oil during the running in period, although it has been said newer engines do not require running in so to speak, however with your stated mileage I would say it's well run in , even so, running in would not produce that amount of oil consumption? That is not normal, I believe some VW/Audi engines do eat oil, but again not in the quantities you speak of.

 

[Samcupra88]

Sorry for posting in the wrong place. Just no now seems to know Anyhing about it. It's getting out of hand. But thanks for replying.