biodiesel

[MKSeat]

ok thanks, il check them out now and see what they have to offer... £1000 is not a lot to invest for the savings it will give u in the long run... I have a friend who also makes hes own diesle, although it is not bio, and im sure is not leagal.. 2500 litres a year without paying tax sounds good to me, i wouldnt use that much anyway! So once iv bought the kit i need to produce the diesel, what sort of price per litre would u think itd be costing me if i ran 100% bio..

 

[L7 KVV]

What do you do with the waste products? Is there a disposal charge for this

 

[bio_derv]

It all depends how you obtain your base oil, its pretty easy to get it for free from restaurants, some people find it easier to buy it in. Either way you can make it for 50p a litre or less, mine costs me 9p a litre, but thats cos my oil is free.
as for waste product, most companies will take it off your hands for free, so who ever you buy your chemicals from, will also retrieve the waste for you

 

[MKSeat]

I take it by base oil, u mean vegetable oil? And now, may i ask how u manage to get ur oil for free/.

 

[bio_derv]

Yes, base oil been your veg oil.
I offer a free service to restaurants for disposal of their oil, as normally they would have to pay to get rid of it.
You only need one restaurant to supply you, most use at least 40 litres a week, hotes 100 + a week

 

[MKSeat]

Very intresting indeed.. so there is no need to use new fresh veg oil then? would sun flower oil work aswell?? I was looking at the etruk 100... as i do not understand how the process works... does this kit include all i need to make my bio diesel.. besides the veg oil ofcourse. or would i need to buy more equiptment seperately?.. i do apologise for the bombardation of questions, this really is appealing to me and ur obviously experienced in this process...

 

[bio_derv]

All you would need, is possible some scales £10 tesco, then your oil & chemicals. They are pretty well made, and are alot cheaper than anywhere else, and if you mention my name, might be able to get you some discount

 

[MKSeat]

excellent, i assume the chemicals are avai;bel also from these guys? I have a few local restaraunts who im sure i could wnagle some free oil from on a weekly basis.. how do u transport the oil from the restaraunts/. is it all in one massive container or in smaller containers...

 

[Rampage]

Someone came in to me a couple of weeks ago asking if they could have my used vegetable oil.

how do u transport the oil from the restaraunts/. is it all in one massive container or in smaller containers...

Get them to put it in the drum that it comes in when bought and wedge something in the hole.

 

[siwel]

Hi all,

I have been very interested in running biodiesel for a while, I thought I read in the owners manual that it's ok to run biodiesel but you have to tell the garage servicing it. Something to do with more frequent fuel filter changes than normal, but don't quote me on this I might have dreamt it!

Anyway does anyone have specific information on what you need to do for vosa to get your car registered for exemption to congestion charge, I had a read around their web site but it didn't seem clear to me. Also any specifics on what you need to do to get a reduction in road tax?

 

[MKSeat]

Bio Derv... Do these machines used to brew ur own bio diesel use alot of electricity??

 

[coggie]

I used it in my old 306 and astra, many happy miles at 72p per litre

The another 'nice' addition to your car is the aroma out of the exhaust - depending on the restaurant who supplied the oil...

 

[bio_derv]

The amount of electricity they use, equates to less than a penny per litre onto your biodiesel. many use a 2kw heater, which is on for 30 minutes ish

 

[L7 KVV]

My fr has sticker inside fuel cap with bio-diesel with a stroke through. Doesnt yours have this?

 

[bio_derv]

indeed it does, but so does nearly every new car, then in back of ym manual says i can run on it. and i am, which is saving me about £45 a fill up.
If it goes bang, its under warranty

 

[Tuscan_No27]

Great to hear such sense being talked about on this thread... so many fourms have people warning that these engines are somehow "special" and cannot use bio but never present any technical facts to back it up.

I have an 05 FR (150PD) and have been running it on BD for about 10000 miles now without problem... and mine doesn't have the special engine code that is supposed to be compatible to run on BD.

Just a note on chemicals - there are two suppliers that I know of that advertise on eBay; one in Manchester and one near Malton, N. Yorks (Britannia Research). They have also just setup a distributor in Washington Tyne & Wear (Biofuels UK). Not sure of any suppliers in the south though - but there will be some I'm sure.

 

[OLDOILER]

indeed it does, but so does nearly every new car, then in back of ym manual says i can run on it. and i am, which is saving me about £45 a fill up.
If it goes bang, its under warranty

You WIL NOT get warranty cover on a failed PD pump/ injectors unless it was fitted with viton seal kit at OE build - they do test failed items !!!.
I only found out after I purchased mine that you could request for a bio diesel conversion. [ I think 20% max is allowable by VAG - Old VAG engines are more forgiving for high % BIO mixes - Im sure some one from VAG can advise what IS safe] look up the Canada VDub web site there is a lot of supportive data in using Bio - on old style engines

 

[stuartsjg]

Hi, i know this is an old thread but theres not been much on it.

I spotted morrisons have B30 Bio-diesel at the pumps at the same as normal diesel.

I work in the renewable energy industry and whilst i dont agree with the bio-fuels arguments, i hear you get slight performance and econmy improvements and having seen the technical sheets on the fuel it makes sence... Although i think we would be better eating food from the fields and farms ourselves as opposed to feeding cars, anyway...

An artice in business car says some manufacturers have approved the fuel in their engines but no mention of Seat/VW group.
http://www.businesscar.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=2126

Does anybody's car FR 2.0 TDI user manual in the fuel section say anything about bio-diesel? or does anybody know.

Thanks,
Stuart

 

[seremotors]

There have been a few threads on using biodiesel in SEATs - thought this bulletin from SEAT might help clarify the situation

SEAT’s TDI engines are unaffected by new legislation on biodiesel in the UK.

The legislation, introduced on 15 April, makes biodiesel a mandatory component in diesel fuel offered at UK pumps. But the ruling, which forces fuel suppliers to use at least 2.5 per cent biofuel in diesel production, does not
change the current situation at SEAT, which approves the use of diesel fuel containing up to five per cent biodiesel in all of its diesel vehicles, the same amount allowed in the UK by motor fuel standard BS EN590.

BS EN590 fuel is also approved for vehicles fitted with a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).

SEATs currently have a ‘No Bio Fuel’ sticker on the inside of the filler flap, which relates only to fuel with a biodiesel content of more than five per cent, including 100 per cent biodiesel. None of SEAT’s current production vehicles are suitable for use with 100 per cent biodiesel, which will decrease engine durability and invalidate the manufacturer’s warranty.

100 per cent biodiesel - A number of older SEAT models are approved to run on 100 per cent Rapeseed Methyl Ester (RME) biodiesel, which is available from a limited number of specialist suppliers. Where 100 per cent RME biodiesel-compatible parts were fitted during manufacture, the vehicle PR code (found on the data sticker) is 2G0. However, some older vehicles may not have this PR code. Always refer to the owner’s handbook and factory information regarding the vehicle’s compatibility with biodiesel before using this fuel type. In vehicles that are 100 per cent biodiesel compatible, SEAT has only approved the use of Rapeseed Methyl Ester (RME) to standard DIN EN14214. No other biodiesel can be used. Additionally, no other diesel substitutes, especially any type of cooking or industrial oil, should be used as fuel in any circumstances.

Summary

• Vehicles that do not have the factory preparation for biodiesel cannot use 100 per cent biodiesel.
• Vehicles fitted with a common-rail fuel injection system cannot use 100 per cent biodiesel.
• Vehicles fitted with pumpe düse injectors cannot use 100 per cent biodiesel.
• Vehicles fitted with a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) cannot use 100 per cent biodiesel; however EN590 containing up to five per cent biodiesel is approved for use with DPF.
• 100 per cent biodiesel vehicles cannot be used in temperatures below -10°C.
• The use of 100 per cent biodiesel may slightly reduce the driving performance of the vehicle and slightly
increase the fuel consumption.
• The use of 100 per cent biodiesel may mean the vehicle needs to be serviced more frequently.

 

[stuartsjg]

HI, thanks for so much info. I had not seen that on seats website.

Morrisons sell B30 bio-diesel which is a 30% bio, 70% mineral diesel mix.

I know standard fuel with upto 5% is covered under EN590 and i know 100% is a no-no in modern cars without approved modification.

I beleive the morrisons use a mix 30:70 of EN14214 (the standard for 100%) and EN590.

my guess is that as EN590 allows a max of 5% bio-diesel and if the car spec states only use EN590 compatable, that would imply Morrisons B30 30% is not EN590 compliant and not approved for use with the car.

http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/approvals.htm

This site talks about the standards but only for 100% mineral EN590 and then the two 100% bio-standards.

I suppose morrisons should have a saftey sheet or spec sheet of the fuel they sell in which case i can ask, if it says their B30 is covered by EN590, ill stick that in the car handbook and drive off happily. If it says B30 is not EN590 then ill no its a no.

Stuart