Best remapping company? Suggestions welcome

[kyleb123]

I will be getting my cupra remapped in the next couple of month.

Just wondering which company would be best around the west yorkshire area, but I'm willing to travel.

I've narrowed it down to darkside or tjs tuning which do skark maps.

Anyone else got any recommendations?

 

[ckyliu]

Why not just take it to Shark themselves, they're only just over an hour away from Leeds down in Mansfield (M1 J29/J28)?

 

[Acksaw]

Shark ruined my car, 35 MPG from 50 MPG, 173bhp from 160 (quoted at 200bhp!), massive dip in the graph at 2250-2750 and engine judders at that RPM. All not present on stock map. All in all, roughly £600 wasted.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I don't think Shark at a bad company or bad mappers but I had a bad experience, as always your mileage may vary. They wanted my car for 2 days to diagnose the issue at my cost which I just couldn't do so I gave up. I'm going Hidden-power next and rolling the dice again for £75 instead of £300.

 

[ckyliu]

I suggested them as the OP said they were having a Shark map put on. Generally Shark have a very good rep, although I've never used them myself. Seems a bit cheeky of them to say we'll fix our cockup if you pay us to!

 

[kyleb123]

That's what a mean I've seen a few people have bad experiences with them. Don't want to travel all that way for them to **** up.

Think I'll take a trip to Barnsley & see how Darkside get on, they specialise only in dervs so.

Also Shark maps are off the shelf I've been told & Darkside only do custom, with both being about same price

 

[Adam4D]

Heard bad things from k tune regarding darkside maps on ppd 2ltr engines.

I spent a few days writing maps to helping a member on here to stop his revo map boosting 1.9-1.8bar at certain rpms, now it's pretty much flat 1.7bar and tappered off at the top to keep it safe.

Hidden power seem good from what I've read, never seen inside one of his maps tho

Dyno maps are ok, but should always be rechecked on the road. As real life loading on the road can make a big difference

 

[ckyliu]

To be honest if it's just an off-the-shelf map, you could do it yourself using a map from www.blacksmoke.co.uk. Again, I've not used them myself but I've heard their maps are generally decent.

 

[Adam4D]

Tempted to hire a dyno for 2 hours and have a little comparison shoot off, if I could find a decent local dyno for cheap.

I've got revo, blacksmoke, pd developments and my own tune I made.

So I'll flash the stock file as a base run then go from there.

I'll put up power graphs, and log boost plots via vcds for each run and let the people see the difference

 

[Dan FR]

Heard bad things from k tune regarding darkside maps on ppd 2ltr engines.

I spent a few days writing maps to helping a member on here to stop his revo map boosting 1.9-1.8bar at certain rpms, now it's pretty much flat 1.7bar and tappered off at the top to keep it safe.

Hidden power seem good from what I've read, never seen inside one of his maps tho

Dyno maps are ok, but should always be rechecked on the road. As real life loading on the road can make a big difference

I think the issue is DD map around a common issue which is a boostcut/torque reduction routine when upping the boost, rather than addressing the cause of the issue. Just my limited understanding as im not familiar with the Siemens ECU.

That car behaving itself now then? Just N75 tweaks or more? Heard good things about hidden power too, an enthusiast who does it properly with data logging

To be honest if it's just an off-the-shelf map, you could do it yourself using a map from www.blacksmoke.co.uk. Again, I've not used them myself but I've heard their maps are generally decent.

Their maps are ok, but are basic generic maps. I urge anyone who uses generic maps like this to check boost control afterwards as i've had to adjust almost every one i've looked at.

Tempted to hire a dyno for 2 hours and have a little comparison shoot off, if I could find a decent local dyno for cheap.

I've got revo, blacksmoke, pd developments and my own tune I made.

So I'll flash the stock file as a base run then go from there.

I'll put up power graphs, and log boost plots via vcds for each run and let the people see the difference

That sounds very interesting, what car/engine/ecu would you be using? Would yours be generic or a tailored map? Bit unfair if you've tailored yours but will highlight the differenc between a proper map and a 'one size fits all' map. I have a few i've done for various people and various stages of tune.. Would be interesting... LOL

 

[Adam4D]

I gotta agree I don't like Siemens stuff if I upgraded to a mk2 leon I'd work on it but tempted with a exeo ATM

Yup Rory's cars behaving nicely now it's got a slight dip at 2250 to 1.6~bar for such a short time it's probably not noticeable on the road could get it gone away with more fuel at that point I recon, but with revo's stupid smoke map the car could start smoking in places so didn't touch the fuel.

Testing would be my car to keep variables low.
Gotta agree it's a bit unfair to put generics up against a tailored map but it'll be a good demonstration of the differences that can be achieved and hopefully steer people towards wanting better maps on there cars.

Obviously it'll be just for wot runs so not a good show of overall drivability but it's the best you can do with a dyno shoot off.

 

[kyleb123]

Mines a 1.9 ARL so they should be fine. Just wanted other peoples opinions on wheres best place to go with a PD150 & get the best results, but keeping a decent torque curve which wont kill my clutch.

Anyone else used darkside on there pd150?

 

[Dan FR]

I gotta agree I don't like Siemens stuff if I upgraded to a mk2 leon I'd work on it but tempted with a exeo ATM

Yup Rory's cars behaving nicely now it's got a slight dip at 2250 to 1.6~bar for such a short time it's probably not noticeable on the road could get it gone away with more fuel at that point I recon, but with revo's stupid smoke map the car could start smoking in places so didn't touch the fuel.

Testing would be my car to keep variables low.
Gotta agree it's a bit unfair to put generics up against a tailored map but it'll be a good demonstration of the differences that can be achieved and hopefully steer people towards wanting better maps on there cars.

Obviously it'll be just for wot runs so not a good show of overall drivability but it's the best you can do with a dyno shoot off.

Glad its running better

What car do you have? It should be a very good demonstration if you do, Linear throttle mapping is where it's at for drivability - The single best tweak i did to my mapping, next to a tailored launch control and silly rev limiter

Mines a 1.9 ARL so they should be fine. Just wanted other peoples opinions on wheres best place to go with a PD150 & get the best results, but keeping a decent torque curve which wont kill my clutch.

Anyone else used darkside on there pd150?

Im sure many many have and they would tailor it to how you want it, but they'll certainly make you pay for it - not cheap

 

[kyleb123]

£300 inc vat with EGR mapped out. Seems pretty fair to me compared to REVOs custom remap

 

[Dan FR]

Revo isn't a custom map and I dislike their software entirely on the MK4 Golf platform, I.e. The 1.9 PD engines.

If you're happy with the price then go for it. What I will say is get all the hardware mods sorted first before getting it mapped.

 

[kyleb123]

I have EGR delete, will also have straight through with decat by the time I take it for mapping. You recommend anything else?
Don't want stupid power I know the OEM filters are efficient enough for around 200bhp.
Will also have 312mm pagid conversion

 

[Dan FR]

A decent downpipe design would be good rather than just cutting the cat out, as the standard downpipe is a very poor flowing design. Brake upgrade is irrelevant from a mapping perspective. Standard intake is fine.

Just make sure you specify how you want the car, i.e. a smooth progressive, clutch friendly map. Dont get hung up on peak figures and look at the gain across the whole rev range over your current setup.

 

[Adam4D]

Dan, I've got a mk1 leon pd150.
Looking to upgrade to a pd170 mk2 when I can so I can learn the Siemens ecu.

Egr mapping out should be free with any remap and Same goes for popcorn limiters and launch control when I saw darkside charging extra for this on easy ecu's they lost respect from me, plus they are actually quite expensive when you shop around for basic parts.

I'm not sure what the rules are on here for trading. So offering a email tuning service like hidden power ATM I won't be sticking my neck on the line over unless it's ok to do so

 

[Adam4D]

Egr, hard cut limiters and launch control should be free when paying for a remap on edc15 ecus like the pd150/pd130.

I've developed a trick to pass Mot's easily by using launch control to limit stationary reving to 2500rpm just like a new vag Diesel engine

 

[Dan FR]

Dan, I've got a mk1 leon pd150.
Looking to upgrade to a pd170 mk2 when I can so I can learn the Siemens ecu.

Egr mapping out should be free with any remap and Same goes for popcorn limiters and launch control when I saw darkside charging extra for this on easy ecu's they lost respect from me, plus they are actually quite expensive when you shop around for basic parts.

I'm not sure what the rules are on here for trading. So offering a email tuning service like hidden power ATM I won't be sticking my neck on the line over unless it's ok to do so

EGR mapping out takes literally a few seconds when editing a map, as does LC and either popcorn or a basic hard cut limiter. They charge what they do because they can

Admin would probably get funny about it, i just put the basics of what i can help with in my Sig and if people want or need help with something, they can always contact me. It's a shame there isn't a sticky'd thread somewhere similar to the vagcom one with those who can help with other stuff, like mapping, keys/immo/cluster swaps etc.

Egr, hard cut limiters and launch control should be free when paying for a remap on edc15 ecus like the pd150/pd130.

I've developed a trick to pass Mot's easily by using launch control to limit stationary reving to 2500rpm just like a new vag Diesel engine

What are the rules on static rev'ing for MOT emissions?? Would be easy to have a nice gentle (and lean) rev limit for MOT purposes

 

[Adam4D]

Yup think I'll do the same for those that have vcds and some way of flashing I'll over boost correction egr and the easy stuff for free to help the members out.