Mib 1 map updates (MY15 Leon)

[jonhall]

Hi all,

New member and first post! Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere - I've spend a couple of days looking over the forums but haven't been able to find what I'm looking for...

I've got a 2015 Leon ST FR Technology with the Mib 1 system. I was hoping to upgrade to Full Link to enable Apple Carplay, but my local dealer has told me this isn't possible with the Mib 1, only the Mib 2 onwards. So, instead I'm looking to update the built in maps. The dealer has quoted me £180 for a new SD card, so naturally I'm curious to see if there's another way.

The 'version information' screen reads: 5F0919866K 0045 ECE 2015

I bough the car as an ex-demo in 2016, and assume I still have the original version of the maps. I've seen several eBay listing for SD cards with the 2020 maps, however they all say they are not compatible with systems running on an SD card bearing the 'AT' label, but will work as a replacement for 'AS' cards.

The original SD card is labelled 'SEAT Navigation AT Europa (V6) 5F0.919.866.K'

Is there any way of updating the maps without going through the dealer?

I've also read on other posts that a firmware update may be required to allow the system to accept the newest version of the maps - can anyone shine a light on that?

Thanks all in advance!

 

[Soundlab]

Wow, you got quoted even higher than I did. I enquired a few weeks ago and was quoted £135.

 

[jonhall]

Wow, you got quoted even higher than I did. I enquired a few weeks ago and was quoted £135.

Did you go through with it? What was your experience?

 

[Soundlab]

No, not yet. My map is older still than yours. When requiring nav I've been using a combination of the in-built out of date unit along with google maps or waze on my phone. If the route I'm following has changed then I rely on my phone map until such time as the car map is correct again. It's worked ok thus far, but I'd much rather be using a current in-built solution. I'm loathed to spend out that kind of money though - when you can buy a Garmin with lifetime maps for a similar amount.

I've been trawling Spanish forums (and others) to try and find a breakthrough of updating MIB 1 maps - but no joy. I know this has been a much discussed topic, workarounds have been found for newer versions of the unit (MIB 2) but no-one has managed anything for MIB 1. I suspect most have given up trying now.

 

[jonhall]

I’ve been using a similar set up for a while, but as I often find myself in locations with little or no phone signal, the inbuilt maps are indispensable.

Luckily, I know an independent VAG specialist who’s helped me out with various other things in the past. He has a potential workaround, but it’ll be a couple of weeks before his expertise and my car cross paths. I’ll update if we get anywhere with it!

 

[Tell]

The dealer un-registers your existing map then registers the new map. If it's like Mib2 it's done on ODIS.

It was the holly grail of the navigation Leon thread initially but sadly they never had anyone with the expertise of Exciter who worked out how Mib2 standard worked and provided a DIY guide. Mib1 users gave up. A few people claimed they had done it, others bought their ebay cards and failed. Success rate was about 50% so people gave up.

There are people about living in East Europe who fish for work but I would not recommend sending it abroad. There may be retrofitters about in the UK that can do what East European people are offering. I suspect they are adjusting the MIB1 navigation FECs the same as retro-fitters do on the Mib2 High unit in the UK. I found a table of the recent FECs last week. It came up when I was alerted to the possibility of Seat releasing life time mapcare, they have at least in Europe on Seat Cupras.

https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/navigation-system-updates.388586/post-4933778

Googling the code as you do, not many posts I found this table:

	Main functions
00030000	AMI Enable / USB
00030001	Gracenote DB EU
00050000	Bluetooth Enable
00060200	Infotainment control (SAI_RSE)
00060300	Mirror Link
00060400	Sports HMI
00060800	Apple Carplay
00060900	Google Automotive Link
00070100	SDS Speech Dialog System (voice control)
00070200	SDS Speech Dialog System (voice control) for navigation
00040100	Ready4Nav - navigation function activated
	Navigation plus
0730001C	DB_EU_MIB2_HIGH_SEAT_45_17
0730001E	DB_EU_MIB2_HIGH_SEAT_22_18
07300020	DB_EU_MIB2_HIGH_SEAT_45_18
07300022	DB_EU_MIB2_HIGH_SEAT_22_19
07300024	DB_EU_MIB2_HIGH_SEAT_45_19
07300026	DB_EU_MIB2_HIGH_SEAT_22_20
07300028	DB_EU_MIB2_HIGH_SEAT_45_20
073000EE	DB_EU_MIB2_HIGH_SEAT_Lifetime_Mapcare
	Navigation standard
07400000	DB_EU_MIB_STD_GEN2_SEAT_SOP1
0740000C	DB_EU_MIB_STD_GEN2_SEAT_45_17
0740000E	DB_EU_MIB_STD_GEN2_SEAT_22_18
07400010	DB_EU_MIB_STD_GEN2_SEAT_45_18
07400012	DB_EU_MIB_STD_GEN2_SEAT_22_19
07400014	DB_EU_MIB_STD_GEN2_SEAT_45_19
07400016	DB_EU_MIB_STD_GEN2_SEAT_22_20
07400018	DB_EU_MIB_STD_GEN2_SEAT_45_20
074000EE	DB_EU_MIB_STD_GEN2_SEAT_Lifetime_Mapcare

But not MIB1 navigation FECs. So those people that offer to provide unlimited on a Mib2 standard should be using 074000EE (you might as well use the Exciter workaround and save money). On Seat Plus they should be giving you a 073000EE.

Interesting table by AudiRS

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Nav Maps:
021000xx Nav Maps EU
021100xx Nav Maps NAR
021200xx ?
021300xx ?
021A00xx ?
021B00xx ?
021D00xx Nav Maps ROW
023000xx Nav Maps EU
023100xx Nav Maps NAR
023D00xx Nav Maps ROW
033000xx Nav Maps EU
033100xx Nav Maps NAR
033D00xx Nav Maps ROW
061000xx Nav Maps EU
061100xx Nav Maps NAR
061D00xx Nav Maps ROW
063000xx Nav Maps EU
063100xx Nav Maps NAR
063D00xx Nav Maps ROW
071000xx Nav Maps
073000xx Nav Maps EU
073D00xx Nav Maps ROW
081000xx Nav Maps EU
081100xx Nav Maps NAR
081400xx Nav Maps AGCC
081401xx Nav Maps AGCC, Turkey
081402xx Nav Maps AGCC, Israel
081403xx ?
081500xx Nav Maps South Africa
081600xx Nav Maps Australia, New Zealand
081700xx Nav Maps India
081800xx Nav Maps Mexico
081801xx Nav Maps Chile
081900xx Nav Maps Asia/Pacific
081D00xx Nav Maps ROW
081D01xx ?
083000xx Nav Maps EU
083D00xx Nav Maps ROW
091000xx Nav Maps EU
091100xx Nav Maps NAR
091300xx ?
091400xx Nav Maps Turkey
091401xx Nav Maps AGCC, Turkey
091402xx Nav Maps AGCC, Israel
091403xx Nav Maps AGCC
091500xx Nav Maps South Africa
091600xx Nav Maps Australia, New Zealand
091700xx Nav Maps India
091800xx Nav Maps Argentina, Brazil, Mexico
091801xx Nav Maps Chile
091900xx Nav Maps Asia/Pacific
091A00xx ?
091D00xx Nav Maps ROW
093000xx Nav Maps EU
093100xx Nav Maps NAR
093D00xx Nav Maps ROW
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We now recognise the 073 high code and know the XX values we want that a retrofitter should do rather than looking for repeat work. I had decoded the Seat High ones last year from experience that myself and @Walone had with the original codes, the updated codes, when it stopped working and a Russian Audi post that described the high unit FECs in how the end HEX code ran. Possible to then slide the Audi table along the change the run in code to 073 and the decode. Mind you writing the FEC code into the unit is when the expert comes in on the retrofitter. Knowing the FEC is different to having the ability to do it.

You could check your Mib1 FECs to see whether anything is on that list. If so you are probably in business if Mib1 standard works the same. We found we had to check the work of retrofitters that say mapcare for life. If you do find a code that looks like one on the list I reckon you want EE in that last position and you would bash the retrofitter if they gave you anything else. All you need is a reliable retrofitter in the UK to work on a Mib1 standard.... the map updates themselves are still published twice a year online for free.

June 2020 Mib1 standard release:

https://vw-maps-cdn.lighthouselabs.eu/vw-maps/P94_N60S3MIBS2_EU_NT.7z

I suspect you won't find the EE on a Google there were only two instances of it for the Seat High, it came in, in 2019. It's just the top end period - suspect Mib1 mapcare works the same as Mib2 mapcare, but that's why we are looking for the first three character run in code to find the FEC.

EE is the end of the Hex table and for Mib2 high it takes you to the year 2074. I suspect Mib1 works the same if you recognise a code on that list so the xx you want is EE.... simple or what .

 

[Tell]

I’ve been using a similar set up for a while, but as I often find myself in locations with little or no phone signal, the inbuilt maps are indispensable.

Luckily, I know an independent VAG specialist who’s helped me out with various other things in the past. He has a potential workaround, but it’ll be a couple of weeks before his expertise and my car cross paths. I’ll update if we get anywhere with it!

Probably that above .

Can you also check your FECs against that list. Knowing the end code and what card both of you are using seriel number / release code, would be useful to make sense of the xx bit.

 

[jonhall]

Probably that above .

Can you also check your FECs against that list. Knowing the end code and what card both of you are using seriel number / release code, would be useful to make sense of the xx bit.

That was mostly over my head ?

It seems the short answer to the question about a DIY solution is ‘no’... My friendly VAG specialist will hopefully be able to make sense of it. If not, I’ll be emptying my wallet at the dealer ?

 

[Tell]

That was mostly over my head ?

It seems the short answer to the question about a DIY solution is ‘no’... My friendly VAG specialist will hopefully be able to make sense of it. If not, I’ll be emptying my wallet at the dealer ?

If you do this on your unit it shows the FECs you are looking to see whether the first three characters are on the list above. If so that's the Navigation FEC. Saying this that table didnt have the 074 mib2 navigation. ($)

1. Hold Menu button until service mode shows.
2. Press "Function enabling codes (FEC, SWaP)"
3. Press "Installed codes"

Then it would be nice to know what the last two characters are against the map release, ditto anybody else. Basically if it works like mib2 the XX is the period you can update to. Yours will be fixed at the year of the card since it doesn't have Mapcare. If we saw a few of these mib1 xx codes against the map release it would confirm that they shift in quarters of the year which is how the FEC mib2 codes work. They will be anchored against a different starting point to mib2 for sure.

Ofcourse we could be barking up the wrong tree but I reckon that's what the East European retrofitters are offering that pop up on threads from time to time that want you to send your unit to Slovakia... They are updating the Navigation FECs on standard mib1 units. The end point of the Hex table is EE... became clear when Seat used it in 2019 for lifetime FECs on mib2. 99.99% sure that's what we are looking at. Just we haven't come across anybody doing the work on a mib1 standard in the UK yet.

($) it could be that early mib1 units were not rolled out with Mapcare. If so you would not see the FEC. If they were then a FEC would be there. VW Australia rolled Mapcare out to mib1s but I reckon that was unlimited. These were vehicles shipped to Australia which the user was suppose to be able to do a map update but couldnt so they had to go back to the dealers for an upgrade.

Either way take a photo of the FECs before the mod and after. Thats how I worked out what was going on with the mib2 high FEC update when it stopped me from updating after a year. Ditto @Walone since that is the key to what was modded. Thats how we picked up the retrofitters hadnt completed the job... apart from the guy waved his fingers at the codes on the screen and by comparing past photos and the Audi Russian post the world of Mib2 High FECs opened up ... followed last week by finding how Seat do their mib2 Mapcare for life code. That is indeed the code mib2 high retrofitters should be using rather than cutting it short and claiming oh that's for life.

 

[jonhall]

If you do this on your unit it shows the FECs you are looking to see whether the first three characters are on the list above. If so that's the Navigation FEC. Saying this that table didnt have the 074 mib2 navigation. ($)

1. Hold Menu button until service mode shows.
2. Press "Function enabling codes (FEC, SWaP)"
3. Press "Installed codes"

Then it would be nice to know what the last two characters are against the map release, ditto anybody else. Basically if it works like mib2 the XX is the period you can update to. Yours will be fixed at the year of the card since it doesn't have Mapcare. If we saw a few of these mib1 xx codes against the map release it would confirm that they shift in quarters of the year which is how the FEC mib2 codes work. They will be anchored against a different starting point to mib2 for sure.

Ofcourse we could be barking up the wrong tree but I reckon that's what the East European retrofitters are offering that pop up on threads from time to time that want you to send your unit to Slovakia... They are updating the Navigation FECs on standard mib1 units. The end point of the Hex table is EE... became clear when Seat used it in 2019 for lifetime FECs on mib2. 99.99% sure that's what we are looking at. Just we haven't come across anybody doing the work on a mib1 standard in the UK yet.

($) it could be that early mib1 units were not rolled out with Mapcare. If so you would not see the FEC. If they were then a FEC would be there. VW Australia rolled Mapcare out to mib1s but I reckon that was unlimited. These were vehicles shipped to Australia which the user was suppose to be able to do a map update but couldnt so they had to go back to the dealers for an upgrade.

Either way take a photo of the FECs before the mod and after. Thats how I worked out what was going on with the mib2 high FEC update when it stopped me from updating after a year. Ditto @Walone since that is the key to what was modded. Thats how we picked up the retrofitters hadnt completed the job... apart from the guy waved his fingers at the codes on the screen and by comparing past photos and the Audi Russian post the world of Mib2 High FECs opened up ... followed last week by finding how Seat do their mib2 Mapcare for life code. That is indeed the code mib2 high retrofitters should be using rather than cutting it short and claiming oh that's for life.

This is all I get in service mode... I’ve been through every layer of the menus and no sign of the FECs ?Am I doing something wrong?

 

[Tell]

Yep it's not there. You can find on Youtube Discover Media Mib1 with the menu. Feels like it's been suppressed so you can't see it to protect what's further down. We need a Seat Mib1 expert who knows how to find it / bring it up.... I'm wondering whether the firmware just isn't showing them... it is only a display screen, nothing can be actioned with it. That's via ODIS to make changes which is why retrofitters need access to ODIS to install their crafted FECs.

How the Navigation FECs work of Mapcare is that each released map has a code in it in Hex and that can only be used with the unit if the navigation FEC code is greater or equal to the Hex code. That hex code is the last two characters of the Navigation FEC. EE is the last point of the Hex table which is why Seat has started using it as the maps for life code. Without Mapcare the Navigation FEC is set the same as the card. The hex changes in quarter year steps. The unit knows which quarter it is in by the satnav time / date. The Mib2 standard work around uses the overall.nds file which has the Hex code in it, moving that between maps fools the unit to think the card image is the same. Mib1 high has the same design as mib 2 standard and high on mapcare so we can assume mapcare on mib1 works the same. Sadly there was never an Exciter to understand the mib1 card structure as to where that Hex code is. He used a bin walker to find out how the card was opened up since he said so in his text so identified the file. He undermined retrofitters business model .

 

[Walone]

Yep it's not there. You can find on Youtube Discover Media Mib1 with the menu. Feels like it's been suppressed so you can't see it to protect what's further down. We need a Seat Mib1 expert who knows how to find it / bring it up.... I'm wondering whether the firmware just isn't showing them... it is only a display screen, nothing can be actioned with it. That's via ODIS to make changes which is why retrofitters need access to ODIS to install their crafted FECs.

The 'Developer' menu needs to be enabled with VCDS, I think also OBDeleven will do it. Or maybe the Menu button needs to be held down for longer.

 

[Tell]

The 'Developer' menu needs to be enabled with VCDS, I think also OBDeleven will do it.

I didn't think the FEC was on that for mib1 developers menu unless it's burried there.... I don't have a mib1 standard. Obdeleven does do it (enable developers menu) since that's how I did the mib2 high. Link on the Ateca Obdeleven mods side on the forum. Is that a red herring or not ?... well for the mib2 it works. But on a mib2 you can read the FECs without enabling it.

Obdeleven tutorial on the developers menu:

OBDeleven Tool for VCDS type of activity... working ones for the Ateca

Great straight to the point answers and fast uploaded examples. FIS Carbon (which version did you pick?) Will wait until you have done Lap timer and tested. Pointer will be doing on the weekend thanks for instructions Looking for Tyre pressure coding was for this...

www.seatcupra.net

However I did find this youtube video which looks similar to the mib1 screen and has a SWAP on the screen. SWAP & FECs we know the relationship:

Mr Fix

》》
SWaP is short for SoftWare as a Product. This is a strategy to sell and protect optional features and functionality for Audi, Volkswagen, Seat, Skoda, and Porsche infotainment units as if it was an actual material product. Most likely it's cheaper to manufacture an infotainment headunit that is equipped with hardware supporting all features and the lock out these that were not play for, than to have separate hardware configurations designed for each variant of optional equipment. This method gives also chance to cross sell additional features later on.
Here's where the FEC comes in. It's short for Function Enabling Code, and this is exactly what it does. After buying such code for feature that you are interested in having, dealer is installing it in your cars infotainment headunit and from now on desired feature is available for you.

《《

The video:

Not sure what happens if you hit SWAP where it says OK. That might open up into the FECs. That's at 25 seconds.

Just be a bit careful you don't change anything. Exit the menu by the car button.... or do you definitely need the developers menu on a mib1 standard to see the FECs ?.

Other that I'm drawing a blank on finding the FEC to display (SWAP / FEC ). It would be nice to identify the Navigation FEC if possible since you can then check that it fits into what one expects against the SD card... if one had a few but pretty sure a retrofitter should be aiming at EE on the last two characters if one identified it . Great believer of checking the work of retrofitters.

Wonder if the cluster of Yorkshire based retrofitter can help out these guys. @RCupra I can't believe that you cant get the work done in the UK that East European retrofitter tout for from home. Extreme social distancing.

 

[RCupra]

Nobody can "change" the fecs on MIB1 low systems. Only on High

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[Tell]

So what are the East Europeans offering what pop up from time to time on a mib 1 and can it be done in the UK ?.

 

[RCupra]

So what are the East Europeans offering what pop up from time to time on a mib 1 and can it be done in the UK ?.

Open up the unit and trying it.....also 90 of 100 times bricking it .

The Panasonic systems are fragile stuff, thats why they are not used anymore. Technisat, Delphi and Harmann systems are way better.

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[Tell]

& ofcouse Mib1 people could always upgrade to Mib2 if they love their car... which is what I sometimes say . Need Exciter back again with a Mib1. Where there is a will etc.

 

[Tell]

This is when Mapcare extended there offer from 3 to 5 years in the US... when they did the recalls circa 2015.

VW Discover Pro

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Memory lane.

 

[SuperNova|BG]

Hi, there! I am wondering if I buy a navigation SD card (newer than mine) by e-bay would be any bad issues with it? I mean could my SW and HW versions be compatible with new SD card and do I need some kind of activation or something like that to use it? See attached files please, the first two are what I have now, and the third picture is what I am thinking to buy.

 

[Tell]

It has to be activated for mib1. There are no DIY workaround that I know about unlike mib2 standard.

There is a long navigation thread which started of with mib1 then moved onto mib2 as time wrnt by but no fixes for updating the maps. 2020 is the last year of VW map updates for mib1, that's 5 years on from when VAG switched to mib2. Now they are on to mib3.

All of the VAG cards whether mib1 or mib2 have compatible CIDs on the card. For where mib1 people buy a car secondhand without an SD card you can buy any card and if you find the download of the map files put that back on the unit. If you loose a file(s) and someone gives you that historic release you can write that to the card, but you can't update the cars registration of the year / period of the card to the car yourself. That's about the only DIY thing you can do with the unit yourself. Mib1 maps were still being updated till 2020 since mapcare for life not sold on Seat cars until 2019 or so on Cupra's in the Netherlands is the only instances and that was on mib2.

The long navigation thread is here:

Updating the inbuilt Mib2 Satnav / Mib2 tricks and Mib1

No you follow the lost and stolen bit of the text. Quite a few people have fallen into this trap. I use to find each of their releases but in fact it became apparent that a universal solution was to download what I give you in that text. That's the first mib2 standard release that Seat had. The...

www.seatcupra.net

I wrote a resource on updating the navigation for mib2 / mib1 based on what we had learnt.

GPS and satnav - Updating the inbuilt Mib2 Satnav / Mib2 tricks and Mib1

This resource is applicable to all Seat navigation systems plus other Vag brands which are MIB2 / 2.5. It is built from the knowledge base on the Leon forum from a long running thread which has the advantage of tracking the twists and turns over...

www.seatcupra.net

In the process the thread got re-titled but it's the original thread.

There are some retrofitters on the continent that claim they can mod mib1 standard units to take updates which requires taking the unit apart. Other retrofitters claim the units are too fragile for that. After mib2 was released in 2015 quite a few people with mib1 units swapped to mib2 using retrofitters to do the work for them. Some had the high unit installed. Others bought the units and fitted them, themselves, there are numerous guides on the net, but licenses, cable harness etc you have to worry about. Easier to give the job to a retrofitter.

VAG with mib1 gave 5 years of free updates (Not for Seat). That 5 year rule puts the last mib2 update at 2025 by my reckoning. Mib2 standard workaround should be good till then and the retrofitters high navigation FeC updates good till then. Probably 2025 will see "Mib4" and the clock will be running on mib3 if VAG was to change the mib3 structure in that process. VAG seems to be on a 5 year product cycle on the infotainment systems. Mib1, mib2 etc. Hence why its likely that mib3 will bite the dust for updates in 2030.