0-60 confusing

[Martin_DSG]

Ok, this is why im confused.

saxo VTR 0-60 9.3 secs (old car)
2.0 Leon TDi DSG 0-60 9.3 secs (new car)

i know for a fact my leon does 0-60 quicker then that.

Anyway my question how can these 2 cars have the same 0-60 times?

 

[krisbutler02]

saxo vtr = light car
leon = heavy car

its not all about 0-60 times mate

0-100 or 1/4 mile times are what u want to go by

 

[Jordan20vt]

9.3 also the same as a 1.6 Rover 200 and an Ibiza PD130. All about the weight!!

 

[Martin_DSG]

well that answered my qusetion, many thanks.

just need to find a quiet, long road to try the 0-100.

 

[danny20vt]

9.3 also the same as a 1.6 Rover 200

 

[Ruddmeister]

Remapping is the answer to going quicker (assuming removing the seats etc is incovienient ), although the most obvious advantage is in-gear acceleration 50-70mph etc.

Diesels aren't really built for 0-60mph sprints.

 

[warren_cox]

Weight yes, but don't forget it's also about relative traction.

Diesels don't have great 0-60 times as the enormous amount of torque that comes in is somewhat overwhelming for a front wheel drive car when the tyres are trying to get traction from start off.

As you accelerate hard from a standing stand, the front of the car lifts up reducing the weight over the front wheels. The wheels are then overwhelmed by the torque and the various electronic limiters will kick in to restore order.

Personally I think you can beat the book times in the dry, but you need to be very considerate of the loud pedal.

 

[Jordan20vt]

I can remember doing some timed sprints in my old PD130 ibiza (9.3 sec standard) Revo and Forge front FMIC was running around the 7.5 second mark.

Traction is an issue with 300ftlbs all coming in at once!!

 

[wjohnson]

yeh was gonna say if u want a car thats got a quick 0-60 u shudnt have bought a tdi. The thing that makes petrols quicker to 60 from a stand still is the higher rev range. I remember on my old V6 coupe 1st gear could get u from 0 - 40 UNBELIEVABLY quickly! In the leon uve gotta really get urself quickly into second or third then use the low end torque. Where the TDI really starts to excel tho is 40-70 range where my old V6 coupe would look like it was going backwards! In fact quite a lot of things look like ther going backwards compared to my FR TDI. And unless ur doing red lights to red lights 0-60 is useless!

 

[warren_cox]

only time I tend to use 0-60 is when getting out of side junctions on A/B roads. It's one of the only areas the S3 is absolutely exceptional. 5.44s at Brunters in 2007.

 

[Dyscontinued]

Yeh, to put it in perspective, the new Porsche 911 997 GT3 only has 299lbft of torque!

 

[wjohnson]

yeh was gonna say it prob doesnt matter what u do in an S3 its all good! lol. Same in a Mapped Cupra if u can get all those crazy rampaging horseys down hee hee

 

[stuartsjg]

ive tried moving off quickly in my TDi in 1st gear and it can be uncomfortable, you hit full rpm by 35 i think and the traction control is in there and you feel every change in power as the turbo kicks in, not so smooth (unless i dont have the knack)

I like getting to 10-15mph in 1st, going into 2nd then applying full power... feels a bit like a plane taking off!

If you go faster in 1st so that there are higher revs when you go into 2nd, the power will be there quicker as there will be boost pressure there immediately, but i kinda like the feel as it builds from 1200rpm upwards, the big push comes in around 17-1800.

To compare like with like Go to the likes of Parkers for the Weight and Power data and compare power to weight ratios, for example:

A leon TDI FR is 167hp and 1415kg, or 118.02HP/ton (=167/1.415)
A Cupra is 236hp and 1375kg, or 171.62HP/ton (=236/1.375)

This makes the cupra 53.66HP/ton more powerful than the TDI FR, or 45% more powerful.

You can use this for equivalents too, for a TDi FR with the extra weight to be as powerful as the cupra, you need 243HP (=171.62 x 1.415).

It may feel more powerful, and may do a range (such as 30-50, 40-60, etc) faster than the petrol both due to the torque. On sprint where the TDi needs a gear change, the petrol has the edge.

The aerodynamics and ancillary loads will also affect things. An older car wont be so streamlined but may also have a smaller or larger frontal area.

The older car may not have an AC unit taking several HP... Although, during high acceleration, many cars switch off the AC compressor. BMW even switch off the alternator thus putting every drop of engine power into the drive.

Stuart

 

[/dev/null]

You'll never get great 0-60 times in a Leon FR MK2 because 1st gear is so shite!

 

[mds1256]

You'll never get great 0-60 times in a Leon FR MK2 because 1st gear is so shite!

agree, doesnt help that the saxo is just a tin can with seats bolted in it lol (sh*t cars)

 

[hon_n_gem]

agreed, dervs will not do a very good 0-60, my mapped beeza FR wheelspun like crazy from still. I never really went for it on the line due to that very fact. Not sure on the K1 tho

 

[Chan_P1_TDi_FR]

have to agree also derv is not ideal for 0-60 times. My Standard Mk2 TDi Fr does 0-60 in about 7.5-8.0 secs. supposedly has 190 horses according to last RR i did last yr.
Aswell as weight, another think to consider with 0-60 times are tyres. A softer stickier tyre will get off the line a little better. If you get a chance to player around with different tyres you'll know what i mean.

 

[/dev/null]

My mates BMW 320d is far quicker in first than mine, however get into 2nd and it's over.

 

[Chan_P1_TDi_FR]

your mates BMW 320d will have the advantage of rear wheel drive off the line, then your car will muller it because of its weight advantage.

If only they made a rear drive leon

 

[Street]

If only they made a rear drive leon

It is always fun driving an underrated Spanish car though.. Since switching to this car, its been a magnet for traffic light GPs and in most cases comes out better off!