Leon FR 170 TDI remap

[delboyuk2005uk]

I also have an Seat Leon TDI FR MK2.

With the responses here I assume the remap is an more postivie thing than negative?

Is it right to say the DPF issues are minor instead of major?

I have not had any DPF issues at all in the 2 months I have had the car.

Every work day I tracel 45 miles round trip mostly motorway.

SO

An remap for me I am interested in would it be an good thing?

I also here the clutches will need replacing as they wont last?

Is it best to get an remap with an switch?

I am in North West England anybody got any places they recommend with any discounts etc?

Willing to travel upto say 100 miles?

 

[Chan_P1_TDi_FR]

DPf issues are fairly major as if the DPF is clogged to a certain point, they cannot be unblocked. As the DPF is not covered by warranty, you will be looking about a bill for about £1800 to have the DPF replaced.
Because of this i'm going to get the DPF removed at the same time as the remap when it becomes available in scotland.

 

[delboyuk2005uk]

How much is it for the removal of the DPF?

 

[clarkeg]

How much is it for the removal of the DPF?

Expensive Around the £1300 mark

See here...

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=211252

Clarke

 

[n0ble]

Hi again,

Yep it is highly annoying and made me so mad, so i had Custom Code do the de-dpf with phase 2 remap on my car.

Since this has been done, i have no power loss problems, no DPF light and no engine lights related to the DPF, if you want an annoying-free ride i would give them a call to do this to your car too 01246 455 005 (JBS/Custom Code in Chesterfield)

My car is also nicer to drive, has a good 1st gear and has a better kick than any Diesel Leon with a Revo phase 1 remap, car also has increased MPG, if i drive steady at 60mph on a trip to work i can 53MPG.

Even if you do not have the car remapped and you decided to give th ecar some stick, within 10mins you still get the car into regen mode.

let me know how you get on.

Lee

 

[SpursMadDave]

Hi again,

Yep it is highly annoying and made me so mad, so i had Custom Code do the de-dpf with phase 2 remap on my car.

Since this has been done, i have no power loss problems, no DPF light and no engine lights related to the DPF, if you want an annoying-free ride i would give them a call to do this to your car too 01246 455 005 (JBS/Custom Code in Chesterfield)

My car is also nicer to drive, has a good 1st gear and has a better kick than any Diesel Leon with a Revo phase 1 remap, car also has increased MPG, if i drive steady at 60mph on a trip to work i can 53MPG.

Even if you do not have the car remapped and you decided to give th ecar some stick, within 10mins you still get the car into regen mode.

let me know how you get on.

Lee

Thats a fairly general statement, i regularly give mine stick and dont get any regen at all. Those unfortunate guys that have had DPF problems as standard will probably only make them worse having a remap but saying that anyone who gives their standard car stick will get problems is just not true.

Also I can easily get 50+mpg doing a steady 60mph

Glad your enjoying life with no DPF, not for me at the moment though while im still under warranty and anyway I couldnt afford the huge hike in insurance

 

[n0ble]

Dave, the increase in insurance is minimal on my policy.

Would i be right in thinking that your one of these guys that has a leon which Seat hav upgraded the software on?

 

[SpursMadDave]

Dave, the increase in insurance is minimal on my policy.

Would i be right in thinking that your one of these guys that has a leon which Seat hav upgraded the software on?

INsurance is a very individual thing but an almost 50%bhp increase must increase it a fair bit, also I live in a very high insurance area

No you would be very wrong, ive had my car over 18 months and its never been near a dealer for any kind of update

All I was saying is that its very misleading saying that anyone would have regen issues if they thrash their car thats all

 

[n0ble]

Dave, ok fair point. However VAG have noted that the DPF's they are using are a huge design flaw to the engine.

Check out what the most recent engines use as DPF, they have done away with the conventional DPF as they cause too many problems.

For the manufacture to change this, it must be a fairly big issue.

"Most" people which have a DPF'ed engine will get regen more than the original specification from the manufacture.

VAG have done 8+ software revisions to try and reduce the DPF issues, if you haven’t had the upgrade yet then avoid it like a the plague as it will reduce the power of your car and make it total crap to drive.

Just quick couple of questions Dave, what year is your Leon and also when you get the regen light on, do you notice any loss in power on your model?

 

[SpursMadDave]

Dave, ok fair point. However VAG have noted that the DPF's they are using are a huge design flaw to the engine.

Check out what the most recent engines use as DPF, they have done away with the conventional DPF as they cause too many problems.

For the manufacture to change this, it must be a fairly big issue.

"Most" people which have a DPF'ed engine will get regen more than the original specification from the manufacture.

VAG have done 8+ software revisions to try and reduce the DPF issues, if you haven’t had the upgrade yet then avoid it like a the plague as it will reduce the power of your car and make it total crap to drive.

Just quick couple of questions Dave, what year is your Leon and also when you get the regen light on, do you notice any loss in power on your model?

Mines a 57 plates, only had 1 regen in nearly 20,000 miles which was followed by the DPF light, 10 minute blast and it went never to return... that was about a year and 10,000 miles ago from memory... not much chance of me getting any sort of software update as I get my car serviced independently not at Seat

I said in your other post that I would consider the DPF off once the warranty runs out but to get it done before would just be plain stupid imo as I have had no problems so far...

 

[n0ble]

When your car went into regen mode did it drop power?

On the early software revision i have been informed that the software would only send the dpf into regen at a high % , and in an even earlier revision of the software you would get the DPF light but no regen mode and this then relied on the user to drive the car accordingly to reduce the load in the dpf.

Its not that dumb having the de-dpf done, think outside the box.
If you get any major issues, put your orginal dpf back on the car and have the software reverted, its also nice to have that extra power

 

[djnemesis]

When your car went into regen mode did it drop power?

On the early software revision i have been informed that the software would only send the dpf into regen at a high % , and in an even earlier revision of the software you would get the DPF light but no regen mode and this then relied on the user to drive the car accordingly to reduce the load in the dpf.

Its not that dumb having the de-dpf done, think outside the box.
If you get any major issues, put your orginal dpf back on the car and have the software reverted, its also nice to have that extra power

I was going to wait until REVO catch up with CC as I have the switch to turn the map off - How easy is it to change the pipe ?

p.s. Thanks for the feedback ! Also costs ?

 

[SpursMadDave]

When your car went into regen mode did it drop power?

On the early software revision i have been informed that the software would only send the dpf into regen at a high % , and in an even earlier revision of the software you would get the DPF light but no regen mode and this then relied on the user to drive the car accordingly to reduce the load in the dpf.

Its not that dumb having the de-dpf done, think outside the box.
If you get any major issues, put your orginal dpf back on the car and have the software reverted, its also nice to have that extra power

Like I said it only happened the once, just noticed the car felt a bit rough thats all... When I said about it being stupid I meant for someone like me who has had absolutely no problems whatsoever, for someone that has had loads of DPF related problems anyway then fine but why screw up the 6 months or so I have left of my warranty? Im sure some dealers are poor but even they would notice the quite major job you have had done and refuse to pay for any work that needed doing... rather not take that risk at the moment, soon as its out of warranty then different story!

If I had even half the problems some have had on here then my DPF would be like yours on a shelf somewhere getting dusty but thankfully I havent so its staying right where it is along with the £1k in my bank for the moment

I knew I would be doing almost 40 miles a day commute on motorways mostly so I was quite happy I wouldnt have problems, and ive done almost 20k in 18 months all trouble free. Unfortunately if people dont do the mileage or decent length journeys they should have bought a 1.6 petrol or the 1.9 diesel not the FR TDI...

Dont think im not jealous, but honestly if I had wanted more power I would trade it in for a 2nd hand Cupra tomorrow I would probably only have to pay as much as the DPF delete to trade up to a half decent one I expect...

 

[n0ble]

Well, i would not swap it for a Cupra, as then you get poor MPG and i need to do 65miles a day.

Even with my 65 miles a day trip i would get DPF issues and i think i can speak for the masses, there will be more people with DPF issues than people without them.
I would think that allot of people that have the TDI FR wouldnt even know the car has a regen mode and probably wouldnt notice much when it did regen as they do light driving, i know 2 people at my work have Leon FR's which are both women and they didnt even bother about the DPF light coming on as it soon went out again.

BHP/Torque vs MPG is quite amazing on the car.

Im getting 53MPG plus with 228BHP which is pretty good, you would not get that with a Cupra.

Also like i said, you can put the old DPF back on the car if you have to take it in under warranty.

 

[SpursMadDave]

Sorry but that really is a load of rubbish...
If you look at the DPF thread and also bear in mind most people only post problems, over 80% of posters have no problems or it clears straight away. That is hardly the "masses" is it?
Also replacing the dpf once removed is hardly like switching a map off and would no doubt be expensive?
I only commented because you made the statement that everyone would have problems which is plainly just wrong, luckily I'm in the 80% minority that don't have problems o

 

[Chan_P1_TDi_FR]

I'm with dave on this one. There is no doubt that the DPF issue is common, but not as widespread as n0ble has thought. Yes, those of us who want to mod our cars want to have a DPF delete, but plenty of owners aren't modders. In fact we modders are the minority. I've driven my car for over 25k and only had regen kick in, but no DPF has ever come on. 90% of my driving is town driving, and I can keep DPF light from coming on. It's about how you drive it and looking out for the regen cycle.
However, I do want to get the DPF removed to increase power and not having to worry about the regen cycle. tbh the regen cycle causes the car to lumpy and uses extra fuel. It also fact that other drivers are holding off as long as possible while they still have warranty. If your car had a major fault, even if the DPF was replaced, a full diagnostic would enable the stealers to see that car has been nodded. I still have a year and half of warranty left, but I plan to get the DPF removed before the end of my warranty. It all depends of how you weight up the pros and cons. For me the engine is my last mod and I have completed everything else, I don't fancy hanging about to long to finish my project.
My only problem is there are no tuners doing the DPF delete in Scotland.

 

[dubnut71]

I'm with dave on this one. There is no doubt that the DPF issue is common, but not as widespread as n0ble has thought. Yes, those of us who want to mod our cars want to have a DPF delete, but plenty of owners aren't modders. In fact we modders are the minority. I've driven my car for over 25k and only had regen kick in, but no DPF has ever come on. 90% of my driving is town driving, and I can keep DPF light from coming on. It's about how you drive it and looking out for the regen cycle.
However, I do want to get the DPF removed to increase power and not having to worry about the regen cycle. tbh the regen cycle causes the car to lumpy and uses extra fuel. It also fact that other drivers are holding off as long as possible while they still have warranty. If your car had a major fault, even if the DPF was replaced, a full diagnostic would enable the stealers to see that car has been nodded. I still have a year and half of warranty left, but I plan to get the DPF removed before the end of my warranty. It all depends of how you weight up the pros and cons. For me the engine is my last mod and I have completed everything else, I don't fancy hanging about to long to finish my project.
My only problem is there are no tuners doing the DPF delete in Scotland.

I'm in a similar position, do a mix of driving and have covered 30k miles without ever seeing the DPF light. No regen as far as I can see and I do a mix of driving but most of it is "spirited". I also have a remap from AMD about 6k miles ago and despite the great and welcome boost in performance I have had no DPF issues from that either. I love the fact I can use the torque on slip roads and to catch people out if I feel like it, I also like only filling it once a week despite doing 500 miles!
DPF CAN work however I thinks its got a bad name sometimes not helped by Dealer intervention on the matter....

 

[n0ble]

Hence my phrase usage of "I think" not "I know", i was putting forward thoughts not actual fact.

I can appreciate that some will not get the DPF issue, and maybe i have over anticipated my thoughts.

There are 2 people at my work which have fr tdi's they have had the DPF light but they thought nothing of it as it went out by the time they finished their trip.

However look at the bigger picture, it must be a problem for allot more than 20% of users for the manufacture to change the design.... that’s why i would "think" they have changed the design anyway.