Should be fitted to BMW's they might use them more then
They have been for a few years now lol
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They have been for a few years now lol
Never realised that indicating was such a chore and a hardship. These indicators are hopeless as they only flash 3 times. At least the Vauxhall ones flash 7 times when you go above 60 mph.
3 flashes isn't enough to change lanes on the motorway, and if you indicate the correct distance before the junction on 30/40 roads, the indicators will have stopped prior to you making the turn. THere are plenty of insurance claims being faught because of these "i did indicate" / "he did indicate then stopped" argument will go on an on at the scene of accidents.
Don't do it.
3 flashes isn't enough to change lanes on the motorway, and if you indicate the correct distance before the junction on 30/40 roads, the indicators will have stopped prior to you making the turn. THere are plenty of insurance claims being faught because of these "i did indicate" / "he did indicate then stopped" argument will go on an on at the scene of accidents.
Don't do it.
You've missed the point - these dont replace the normal indicator function, but add another element, when you partially depress the indicator stalk they will flash 3 times. you can still hold the indicator down, you can still click it into place so it pops off once you're around the corner.
this is an addition not replacement.
I always find 3 flashes to be plenty when changing lanes on the motorway TBH.
BMW's that are fitted with it can be changed between 1 or 3 flashes, I havent yet found a function for 1 flash yet people seem to set theirs to it still. Actually maybe thats the reason people think they don't indicate, they miss the 1 flash lol
I'll agree with mashoo, three flashes is not enough. There is too much going on for the average driver to always spot a three-flash signal - if the driver's attention is elsewhere (kids in the car, mobile phone, changing CD's, lighting a cigarette etc.) they might catch sight of it, look for confirmation, and see nothing. Seven is about right - I use eight, four in the lane, without moving, to make sure everybody in front and behind has noticed, check, then four as I pull out to make sure the guy I'm overtaking sees that I'm moving to come past, especially if it's a lorry. When turning, carry on until the turn is complete.
For that reason alone I'd like 3-flash comfort indicators done away with - they are neither use nor ornament.
Three-flash indication with the Vauxhall non-latching switch is a bad joke, ergonomic disaster, hard enough to get right when stationary, impossible on any kind of bumpy road.
An awful lot of drivers I see are dreadful with indicators. One symptom of the sloppy driver is "manouver, signal, mirror", the reversal of good practice - they'll change lane or pull out to make a turn, then signal, then look in the mirror (presumably to watch the accident in progress behind them).
You signal before a manouver, to let other drivers know your intentions, then check to make sure they've seen - remember the BMW driver three cars back may see your indication as a challenge and try to roar past before you "get in his way" (let him go, he's just an accident waiting to happen). Starting to signal during a manouver is too late, and three flashes isn't enough to carry you through the manouver.
"Comfort" indicators? Just who are they making comfortable?
For that reason alone I'd like 3-flash comfort indicators done away with - they are neither use nor ornament.
Three-flash indication with the Vauxhall non-latching switch is a bad joke, ergonomic disaster, hard enough to get right when stationary, impossible on any kind of bumpy road.
An awful lot of drivers I see are dreadful with indicators. One symptom of the sloppy driver is "manouver, signal, mirror", the reversal of good practice - they'll change lane or pull out to make a turn, then signal, then look in the mirror (presumably to watch the accident in progress behind them).
You signal before a manouver, to let other drivers know your intentions, then check to make sure they've seen - remember the BMW driver three cars back may see your indication as a challenge and try to roar past before you "get in his way" (let him go, he's just an accident waiting to happen). Starting to signal during a manouver is too late, and three flashes isn't enough to carry you through the manouver.
"Comfort" indicators? Just who are they making comfortable?
I totally agree Muttley.
Just a gimmick and a potentially hazardous one at that.
Personally I use a system similar to Muttley's. Indicator on in lane check mirrors, pull out and leave indicator on until I am fully in my chosen lane.
'Comfort' 'Laziness' more like 
. It ain't hard to put indicator on then turn it off. Finger out and push........................ that's it.
Just a gimmick and a potentially hazardous one at that.
Personally I use a system similar to Muttley's. Indicator on in lane check mirrors, pull out and leave indicator on until I am fully in my chosen lane.
'Comfort'
'Laziness' more like . It ain't hard to put indicator on then turn it off. Finger out and push........................ that's it.
So you signal, mirror, manouvre? Personally I have been monitoring my mirror ready, I then recheck the mirrors, signal and manouvre into the next lane where I know there is a clear gap, 3 clicks is plenty for that and is perfectly safe
i rate this alongside the merc stupid foglight thing for when you turn a corner
where exactly is the benefit in this?
Your hands are supposed to be at all times on the steering wheel so actually having to turn a stalk on /off is not exactly having to exert yourself.
where exactly is the benefit in this?
Your hands are supposed to be at all times on the steering wheel so actually having to turn a stalk on /off is not exactly having to exert yourself.
I too have been checking mirror but have a good final check before moving out. I am always looking in my mirrors. IAM driver you know
3 clicks is not enough for this especially in busy traffic.
I too have been checking mirror but have a good final check before moving out. I am always looking in my mirrors. IAM driver you know
3 clicks is not enough for this especially in busy traffic.
Nobody mentioned traffic conditions, if your squeezing into a gap that somebody needs to create to let you in then you obviously need to click the indicator on fully and wait til they move. All i'm saying is that for general motorway driving 3 clicks is very often quite useful, whenever ive used it on a flowing motorway start of the 3 clicks im in one lane and im safely in the other lane by the end.
I wouldnt pay much to have it fitted as an extra, but when i drive cars with it on motorways I do use it a lot. that is also incidentally on BMW's and Mini's which the indicator stalk always returns to central position even when putting the full indicators on, its not really that hard to get used to unlike what Mr Clarkson would have you believe lol, then again he does intentionally complicate things for dramatic effect.
How did you get the pins out...!? I tried for ages and failed to budge one - even with a removal tool...
i used a small jewlers screwdriver. something like you would use to tighten screws on a pair of glasses. id say you would get them in halfords. cant remember where i got mine! just forced it in at the front of the switch not where the wire goes in. used it on the top and bottom and then pulled the wire out. they are fairly tight but dont be afraid to use a bit of force!
The whole point of indicators is to let other people know you are going to move lane. How can you expect someone to react in that time with out panicking. just cus you do it doesn't make it right or acceptable. IAM manual of guidance recommends at least three flashes of the indicators prior to moving out of lane at motorway speeds.
Nobody needs to react or panic because i'm not driving into them when I do it, if im pulling into a lane with traffic in the immediate vicinity then I use the full indicator and make sure were clear to go.
So do you mean my way wrong and unacceptable?
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