Ibiza ko3s Poor Performance

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

Reet then people, I hope someone can help a fellow SCN member out.

This is from 20vtwy's Ibiza Cupra - met up with her today as she can't get VAG-COM to work on her laptop.

She has had a ko3s turbo put on, decat, n75j & recirc valve - custom remapped. Rolling road showed 225BHP (approx)

Since the lack of power occured she has replaced MAF (genuine), Coilpacks (genuine) & BOSCH Spark Plugs, the coolant sensor has also been replaced.

No one has cleared any faults so this is what was logged when I first hooked up VAG-COM.

Chassis Type: 6K - Seat Ibiza
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,17,25,35,56

Address 01 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6K0 906 032 AA
Component: 1.8L 20VT EU3 0002
Coding: 10500
Shop #: WSC 00000
4 Faults Found:
16518 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: No Activity
P0134 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17511 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Heating: B1 S1: Performance too Low
P1103 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
16500 - Engine Coolant Temp. Sensor (G62): Implausible Signal
P0116 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17963 - Charge Pressure: Maximum Limit Exceeded
P1555 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000

Address 03 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 1J0 907 379 AF
Component: ASR 20 IE CAN 0001
Coding: 13404
Shop #: WSC 11111
No fault code found.

Address 08 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6K0 959 291
Component: AUTOCLIMA-220 X06.00
No fault code found.

Skipping Address 15-Airbags

Address 17 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6K0 920 901 D
Component: 6K-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V02
Coding: 00442
Shop #: WSC 00000
IMMO-IDENTNR: SEZ7Z0A1286933
2 Faults Found:
01039 - Coolant Temperature Sensor (G2)
30-10 - Open or Short to B+ - Intermittent
01176 - Key
07-10 - Signal to Low - Intermittent

Address 25 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: Bitte Adress
Component: e 17 eingeben
No Faults Found
or DTCs not supported by controller
or a communication error ocurred

Address 56 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6K0 035 186 C
Component: Radio GRO 1V32
Coding: 00401
Shop #: WSC 06402
1 Fault Found:
00853 - Loudspeaker(s): Rear
36-00 - Open Circuit

End -------------------------------------------------------

MIkey kc · Mar 8, 2009

number one lambda probe me thinks!

jonesya3 · Mar 8, 2009

well the first thing would be to clear all faults and see what comes back as to be fair them faults could have been there for along time and already had parts replaced to fix them

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

Blocks 003 & 020

Code:

Group A:	003				Group B:	020			
	RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
TIME					TIME				
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
9.8	2480	18.97	12.2	36	9.4	0	0	0	0
10.59	2520	44.67	32.9	19.5	10.2	0	0	0	0
11.39	2680	71.81	100	9	10.99	0	0	0	0
12.2	2960	70.78	100	9	11.79	0	0	0	0
13.19	3320	81.17	100	11.3	12.7	0	0	0	0
13.99	3560	84.97	100	13.5	13.59	0	0	0	0
14.81	3840	91.78	100	12.8	14.39	0	0	0	0
15.59	4080	106.06	100	12.8	15.19	0	0	0	0
16.39	4360	116.44	100	13.5	15.99	0	0	0	0
17.19	4640	122.86	100	12.8	16.79	0	0	0	0
17.99	4880	128.14	100	13.5	17.59	0	0	0	0
18.79	5120	132.33	100	13.5	18.39	0	0	0	0
19.59	5320	130.58	100	15.8	19.19	0	0	0	0
20.39	5880	0	4.3	4.5	19.99	0	0	0	0
21.19	4200	101.33	100	21	20.79	0	0	0	0
21.99	4280	128.83	100	12	21.59	0	0	0	0
22.9	4440	118.19	100	12	22.5	0	0	0	0
23.7	4480	98.94	100	18	23.3	0	0	0	0
24.5	4560	100.03	100	15	24.1	0	0	0	0
25.3	4680	140.97	99.6	10.5	24.9	0	0	0	0
26.1	4760	123.19	100	12	25.7	0	0	0	0
26.89	4760	105.75	100	18.8	26.5	0	0	0	0
27.69	4840	129.19	100	13.5	27.29	0	0	0	0
28.49	4960	129.08	100	13.5	28.09	0	0	0	0
29.29	5000	126.67	100	15	28.89	0	0	0	0
30.09	5080	127.75	100	15	29.69	0	0	0	0
30.89	5160	129.58	100	15	30.49	0	0	0	0
31.69	4920	1.56	2.7	11.3	31.29	0	0	0	0

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

Blocks 115 & 031

Code:

Group A:	115				Group B:	031			
	RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.		Voltage	Voltage	Bin. Bits	Bin. Bits
TIME					TIME				
STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP	 V	 V		
45.56	2480	52.6	1040	980	45.16	0.74	0.06	        	        
46.37	2880	62.4	950	1180	45.96	0.78	0.84	        	        
47.37	3080	25.6	950	1090	46.87	0.21	0.09	        	        
48.26	3160	19.5	950	1000	47.78	0.72	0.78	        	        
49.17	3200	21.1	950	990	48.68	0.26	0.68	        	        
49.96	3280	28.6	950	980	49.56	0.66	0.44	        	        
50.76	3400	39.8	950	1070	50.37	0.49	0.73	        	        
51.57	3520	45.1	950	1070	51.16	0.67	0.47	        	        
52.37	3720	73.7	950	1270	51.97	0.71	0.76	        	        
53.27	4160	83.5	1090	1320	52.77	0.67	0.18	        	        
54.07	4520	79.7	1050	1310	53.67	0.68	0.72	        	        
54.87	3640	14.3	950	1060	54.47	0.81	0.81	        	        
55.67	3200	102.3	1460	1320	55.27	0.79	0.77	        	        
56.47	3400	108.3	1420	1370	56.07	0.82	0.81	        	        
57.27	3600	103	1330	1320	56.87	0.78	0.8	        	        
58.07	3800	103	1330	1330	57.67	0.77	0.79	        	        
58.87	3960	89.5	1290	1350	58.47	0.77	0.79	        	        
59.76	4160	139.8	1700	1560	59.27	0.72	0.73	        	        
60.87	4560	153.4	1670	1860	60.16	0.77	0.78	        	        
61.67	4840	144.4	1660	1750	61.27	0.77	0.79	        	        
62.56	5120	142.1	1660	1710	62.07	0.82	0.8	        	        
63.48	5400	135.3	1660	1690	63.06	0.79	0.81	        	        
64.26	4440	13.5	950	1100	63.86	0.66	0.64

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

Blocks 002 & 114 (my laptop had some sort of mad fit logging this so its lacking useful data me thinks

)

Code:

Group A:	002				Group B:	114			
	RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow		Load	Load	Load	Load
TIME					TIME				
STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	%	%	%	%
0.4	5360	133.1	20.5	134.67	0	134.6	137.3	137.6	53.7
1.2	5520	130.1	20.91	134.64	0.8	134.6	135.8	130.1	56.9
2	5720	127.1	25.42	132.28	1.6	134.6	134.3	130.1	61.2
2.8	5880	142.1	28.29	137.47	2.4	133.8	132.8	134.6	64.3
3.6	5600	20.3	3.28	0	3.2	133.8	132.8	106	74.1
4.4	4480	94.7	16.81	103.58	4	134.6	132.8	11.3	0
5.2	4480	59.4	8.61	46.42	4.8	133.8	132.8	123.3	62
6	4480	88	14.35	76.44	5.6	133.8	132.8	68.4	1.2
6.8	4520	102.3	17.63	91.31	6.4	133.8	132.8	88	1.2
7.6	4600	151.1	28.7	133.78	7.2	133.8	132.8	127.8	61.2
8.49	4680	113.5	19.68	103.92	8.09	134.6	132.8	115	62
9.29	4760	114.3	19.68	101.94	8.89	134.6	132.8	113.5	63.1
10.21	4240	15	2.05	7.17	9.69	134.6	132.8	112.8	63.1
11.09	3000	10.5	0	7	10.69	133.8	132.8	12	0
11.89	2000	14.3	0	6.08	11.49	130.1	128.4	9	0
12.69	1120	15.8	2.05	5.61	12.29	112	110.4	13.5	0
13.49	1000	15	1.64	2.83	13.09	97	95.5	14.3	0
14.29	1680	8.3	1.23	1.53	13.89	92.5	91	16.5	0

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

Block 003

Code:

Group A:	003			
	RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing
TIME				
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC
7.4	2520	44.08	30.6	34.5
7.8	2600	52.08	87.1	15
8.2	2680	67.69	100	9
8.6	2760	79.86	100	6.8
9	2920	77.19	100	8.3
9.4	3080	75.44	100	9
9.8	3200	82.44	100	11.3
10.2	3320	83.33	100	11.3
10.7	3480	88.97	100	12
11.21	3640	88.19	100	13.5
11.71	3760	95.97	100	12.8
12.2	3920	100.5	100	12.8
12.6	4040	100.47	100	12.8
13	4160	106.22	100	12.8
13.5	4320	114.69	100	12
13.9	4440	117.08	100	13.5
14.3	4560	119.11	100	13.5
14.81	4720	122.5	100	13.5
15.21	4800	124.81	100	13.5
15.61	4920	125.36	100	13.5
16.01	5000	127.58	100	14.3
16.41	5120	133.28	100	14.3
16.91	5240	134.19	100	13.5
17.31	5360	129.08	100	15
17.71	5440	135.94	100	15
18.11	5560	133.22	100	17.3
18.51	5640	143.11	100	15.8
18.91	5720	132.72	100	17.3
19.31	5360	5.86	3.5	14.3

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

Blocks 118 & 032

Code:

Group A:	118				Group B:	032			
	RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.		Lambda	Lambda	Bin. Bits	Bin. Bits
TIME					TIME				
STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar	STAMP	%	%		
14.89	2120	17	65.5	1020	14.49	-0.6	0	        	        
15.71	2320	18	11.8	1350	15.31	-0.6	0	        	        
16.6	2520	17	1.2	1320	16.11	-0.6	0	        	        
17.4	2720	16	36.9	1330	17	-0.6	0	        	        
18.3	3040	18	55.3	1920	17.9	-0.6	0	        	        
19.31	3360	18	50.6	1690	18.81	-0.6	0	        	        
20.09	3600	18	50.2	1660	19.71	-0.6	0	        	        
20.91	3840	20	50.2	1670	20.49	-0.6	0	        	        
21.71	4080	21	52.2	1680	21.31	-0.6	0	        	        
22.51	4320	23	54.1	1740	22.11	-0.6	0	        	        
23.4	4600	25	52.9	1730	22.91	-0.6	0	        	        
24.2	4840	27	52.2	1670	23.8	-0.6	0	        	        
25	5040	29	53.3	1660	24.6	-0.6	0	        	        
25.8	5280	30	52.5	1670	25.4	-0.6	0	        	        
26.6	5440	32	53.3	1630	26.2	-0.6	0	        	        
27.4	5640	33	59.2	1620	27	-0.6	0	        	        
28.2	5480	33	0	1490	27.8	-0.6	0	        	        
29	4080	30	0	1040	28.6	-0.6	0

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

I cleared all the initial fault codes before the logs and when we had finished logging I did another scan of the fault codes and this is what we got.

Address 01 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6K0 906 032 AA
Component: 1.8L 20VT EU3 0002
Coding: 10500
Shop #: WSC 00000
No fault code found.

Address 03 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 1J0 907 379 AF
Component: ASR 20 IE CAN 0001
Coding: 13404
Shop #: WSC 11111
1 Fault Found:
00283 - Front Left ABS Wheel Speed Sensor (G47)
35-00 - -

Address 08 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6K0 959 291
Component: AUTOCLIMA-220 X06.00
No fault code found.

Skipping Address 15-Airbags

Address 17 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6K0 920 901 D
Component: 6K-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V02
Coding: 00442
Shop #: WSC 00000
IMMO-IDENTNR: SEZ7Z0A1286933
2 Faults Found:
01039 - Coolant Temperature Sensor (G2)
30-10 - Open or Short to B+ - Intermittent
01176 - Key
07-10 - Signal to Low - Intermittent

Address 25 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: Bitte Adress
Component: e 17 eingeben
No Faults Found
or DTCs not supported by controller
or a communication error ocurred

Address 56 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6K0 035 186 C
Component: Radio GRO 1V32
Coding: 00401
Shop #: WSC 06402
1 Fault Found:
00853 - Loudspeaker(s): Rear
36-00 - Open Circuit

End -------------------------------------------------------

Out of the 6 runs she did the car felt to be holding back loads!! It was hailing at the time of the 3rd gear runs and the traction light didnt activate once, it was only once on the way back down the hill the car actually accelerated like it should.

20vtwy · Mar 8, 2009

Thanks for today Chris, had more problems with the brakes (i think) on the way home. The handbreak light started flashing and a buzzer sounding, hoping this is to do with the ABS. Looked in the book when i got home and it said brake fluid low but looks fine to me.

On the second go with the fault codes did it say lamba sensors again i cant remember?

Reuvers · Mar 8, 2009

looks like you need to get the front left wheel off and take the sensor off and give it a good clean. Look if the wires aren't exposed either as thats what I had. The grinding noise is your ABS coming on

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

20vtwy said:
Thanks for today Chris, had more problems with the brakes (i think) on the way home. The handbreak light started flashing and a buzzer sounding, hoping this is to do with the ABS. Looked in the book when i got home and it said brake fluid low but looks fine to me.

On the second go with the fault codes did it say lamba sensors again i cant remember?

Thx for the spin out, I don't think we scared enough Sunday drivers so you will have to take me out again after your power problem is sorted.

The lambda error didnt come back up after I cleared it :think:

The ABS sensor is not expensive Vicki, http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=189

DPJ · Mar 8, 2009

I'm struggling to find power runs in some of the logs, Chris. (WOT from 2500 is to the limiter - or somewhere near). In particular - can't really see what''s happening with boost.

MAF readings look crap.
Are you sure the coolant temp sensor has been replaced? (Or did you go into the instruments block to clear the code originally?)

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

DPJ said:
I'm struggling to find power runs in some of the logs, Chris. (WOT from 2500 is to the limiter - or somewhere near). In particular - can't really see what''s happening with boost.

MAF readings look crap.
Are you sure the coolant temp sensor has been replaced?

Hi Dave, we struggled to get the power runs to 6.5k, we managed more 5.5k - is this no good?

DPJ · Mar 8, 2009

I've spotted a section in 115 which could be a power run - but the mapping of boost makes little sense and it seems to run very rich.....

Who mapped it?

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

DPJ said:
Are you sure the coolant temp sensor has been replaced? (Or did you go into the instruments block to clear the code originally?)

Ah, no, bugger!! I only went into the Engine block to clear the codes. I didnt go into the instruments block to clear the codes.

Can not clearing the fault make it still run crappy?

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

DPJ said:
I've spotted a section in 115 which could be a power run - but the mapping of boost makes little sense and it seems to run very rich.....

Who mapped it?

I forget who mapped it but I will find out, she did say people comment on how much fire it spits out of the exhaust on the motorway - so this would back up it running very rich.

DPJ · Mar 8, 2009

Is 55.67 to 63.48 the power run in 115?

If so, the boost is dire!!!!

It really helps if just power runs figures are posted with the rest removed, helps us see the wood from the trees.

DPJ · Mar 8, 2009

ChrisGTL said:
Ah, no, bugger!! I only went into the Engine block to clear the codes. I didnt go into the instruments block to clear the codes.

Can not clearing the fault make it still run crappy?

I wouldn't have expected it to affect running - a good sensor will give good readings.

ChrisGTL · Mar 8, 2009

Custom remap done by a place called 'Chip Wizard' @ Milnrow

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