What to get next? FR (TDI or TFSI) ????

[SpursMadDave]

I have a leon fr tfsi and recorded the consumption.

first 3100 miles (100 hrs driving) = 32 mpg

second 3200 miles (additional 100 hrs) = 33 mpg

I travelled 190 miles today and averaged 39mpg.

Quite simply the tfsi is economical if driven sensibly day to day. I have had trips averaging less than 20mpg, but thats at the weekend!! Commuting its better than my BMW 120i with all its stop start technology.

My collegues fr tdi has averaged 38 mpg over a similar period.

My wifes A3 1.4 t has averaged 34 mpg over the past 3 months (about the same as my FR).

I know which car i prefer driving!!!

Same trip, same speed I would have averaged well over 50mpg...

If you average over 30mpg in a TFSI you must be driving like a grandad, I can do the same and get 50mpg from my TDI, but whats the point?

Your colleague with the FR TDI is having MUCH more fun I can guarantee that!!!

 

[phil3012]

I could get 34 out of the Cupra doing like 50 mph on a motorway (this happened once)

I also saw an average of under 24 mpg on a 70 mile motorway run

Another advantage to diesel (ready for the flaming to start) is that it's actually quieter than a petrol. Sure you get the tractor like sound at start up but at motorway speed...

One thing I don't miss about the Cupra is the constant trips to the petrol station, 4 times one week...

 

[MATT'88]

Sorry but if you think you can run a Petrol FR or a Cupra for the same price as a FR TDI you are WAY off the mark.....

Petrol FR/Cupra average mid to high 20's

Diesel FR average high 30' to mid 40's

so unless Diesel where you live is almost twice the pice of petrol you are talking rubbish....

Its not exactly rubbish mate the blokes 21 like me, and not a grandad i avg just over 20mpg in my tdi. The figures you have given are for like 6th at 30mph for the tdi. Lets be realistic and talk sense mate.

And before you say it i dnt drive hard everywere or allways have it at high revs constantly. But i am a fast driver like most other youngsters.

 

[steve998]

driving with the flow of traffic does not mean i have been driving like a granddad ! no point getting 3 points on my 190 mile commute. i tested the bmw 120d 177hp and only managed 40mpg. i drive over 50k a year and life is too short to worry about 10mpg or £1500

 

[MATT'88]

You TDI FR drivers must have fairy feet. best I can achive is 38mpg unless in one of those SPECS areas.
Went for a takeaway last night, 9 mile trip. Got 28.6 mpg (stright road with 3 round abouts).

Thats from someone else who drives an fr tdi. Altho he does say 38mpg which i have never achived, must of had mother-in-law.

Steve at what point was i talking to you?? The quote was for spurs.

 

[steve998]

replying to spurs post 41 , not yours ...

 

[Freewheelin']

That looks the biz. I would love one of these

The only thing I dont like is the offset number plate. I wonder if it would be possible to mount it in the middle of the car somewhere without it impeding the intake/intercooler?

I've seen a stick-on plate across the leading edge of the bonnet but I reckon the boys in blue wouldn't be too impressed The UK cars are even worse as the offset plate has a single row of full sized letters.

 

[Sooty torques]

Its not exactly rubbish mate the blokes 21 like me, and not a grandad i avg just over 20mpg in my tdi.

Do you tow a caravan too then? Or is it a horsebox...?

The figures you have given are for like 6th at 30mph for the tdi. Lets be realistic and talk sense mate.

And before you say it i dnt drive hard everywere or allways have it at high revs constantly. But i am a fast driver like most other youngsters.

Oh dear Looks like we are degenerating into ageism and stereotypes.
I'm the wrong-side -of-50 but not a grandad - nor do I drive like one. However, MATT'88, you seem to be proud of fitting the "too young, too fast" stereotype. Good luck to you.

I remember a few years back a bloke who was on the Leon Mk 1 forum raving about how fast his Cupra was and bragging in a nihilistic way about the ultra-low mpg he got. I seem to remember he came to a sticky end. Lets be careful out there, peeps.

TBH though, I can't see how you can achieve lows of just over 20 mpg without ragging the ar$e off the FR TDI.

Anyway, I'm out of here, as this thread is turning into the typical mpg argument which most "What should I buy?" threads seem to become.

 

[SpursMadDave]

Its not exactly rubbish mate the blokes 21 like me, and not a grandad i avg just over 20mpg in my tdi. The figures you have given are for like 6th at 30mph for the tdi. Lets be realistic and talk sense mate.

And before you say it i dnt drive hard everywere or allways have it at high revs constantly. But i am a fast driver like most other youngsters.

I have been driving an FR TDI for over a year so I think I can talk sense and the fact you talk about doing 30mph in 6th shows you have none!

On a like for like journey the derv will average AT LEAST 30% more mpg (more the longer the trip), of course you can get 20mpg from the TDI if you drive like a complete twat, the same as you can get 30+mpg from the petrol if you drive like you have no right foot.....

At the end of the day I dont think ANYBODY on this forum bought an FR TDI or otherwise because of the fantastic MPG, but saying that it costs the same to fuel both is complete and utter bollocks of the highest order....

Well said Sooty Torques, coompletely agree!

As for the original question of what to buy..... buy whatever you like driving and whatever you can afford in the long run, ive said many times id love a Cupra or even a petrol FR but i do 250 miles a week just to work and back and I just couldnt afford it!

 

[Ibiza23]

Its not exactly rubbish mate the blokes 21 like me, and not a grandad i avg just over 20mpg in my tdi. The figures you have given are for like 6th at 30mph for the tdi. Lets be realistic and talk sense mate.

And before you say it i dnt drive hard everywere or allways have it at high revs constantly. But i am a fast driver like most other youngsters.

My fr tdi stalls when I try and do 30mph in 6th gear!!!!!!!

 

[kezFR07]

well said dave ha

 

[Haddock]

Not sure how much this will help, but I had a MkV Gti (same 2.0 TFSI Engine) before my FR TDI.

My overall average in the TFSI was 28mpg, whereas in the FR Tdi it is 43mpg (actually nearly 45 at the moment with all the fog!)

These numbers are real, same driver, same commute, at the same speed...

Chris

 

[SpursMadDave]

Not sure how much this will help, but I had a MkV Gti (same 2.0 TFSI Engine) before my FR TDI.

My overall average in the TFSI was 28mpg, whereas in the FR Tdi it is 43mpg (actually nearly 45 at the moment with all the fog!)

These numbers are real, same driver, same commute, at the same speed...

Chris

Cheers Chris, I think we all know the 'real' figures as there have been MANY threads on FR MPG, especially when Diesel hit £1.20 +

Sorry to anyone if I came across bullish, but I hate it when people say this and that is a FACT when it quite obviously is complete horse ****!

The TDI does 30%-%50 (depending on driving style obviously) more MPG that its petrol counterpart on the same run in the same conditions....

The trouble is when people compare things they tend to remember the worst or best.... if you asked me what my old Mazda 2.5l did I could confidently say it did 34mpg, but that was once, just after its 60K service on a 250m run.... under normal everyday conditions it did 23-27mpg which is why although it was a great car my bank manager is glad I traded it in for the FR

 

[bozzzydmc]

I agree ...my last car a 2 litre Citroen C4 ..VTS TDI did 44 miles per gallon overall ... from new to 85,000 in 3 years...

Currently my 2 litre TDI FR is pulling in around 50 mpg ... after 5000 miles ...

 

[ChrisMansell]

Its not exactly rubbish mate the blokes 21 like me, and not a grandad i avg just over 20mpg in my tdi. The figures you have given are for like 6th at 30mph for the tdi. Lets be realistic and talk sense mate.

And before you say it i dnt drive hard everywere or allways have it at high revs constantly. But i am a fast driver like most other youngsters.

you say you average just over 20mpg in your fr tdi . . . but your signature suggests that it's been remapped . . ??

thanks for all the input guys. I have always disliked diesels, just because they're not petrol! haha

but I had my car for three months and did 10,000 miles in it, and averaged less than 25mpg over the 10,000 miles. I did a quick estimation and I think that costed me about 2,000 pounds in Petrol (super-unleaded)

so the fact that the diesel fr has a quicker 0-60 rating, and much better fuel economy, I think I've made my mind up

 

[SpursMadDave]

you say you average just over 20mpg in your fr tdi . . . but your signature suggests that it's been remapped . . ??

thanks for all the input guys. I have always disliked diesels, just because they're not petrol! haha

but I had my car for three months and did 10,000 miles in it, and averaged less than 25mpg over the 10,000 miles. I did a quick estimation and I think that costed me about 2,000 pounds in Petrol (super-unleaded)

so the fact that the diesel fr has a quicker 0-60 rating, and much better fuel economy, I think I've made my mind up

Im sure you wont be dissapointed.

 

[InfernalBadger]

If you're doing over 3000 miles a month as you suggest then the diesel is definitely the only option

 

[steve998]

official stats

The Leon T FSI FR: 142mph, 0-62mph 7.3 seconds, 35.8mpg.

The Leon TDI FR: 135mph, 0-62mph in 8.3 seconds, 47.1mpg.

this translates as.... the diesel is 31% more efficient than the tfsi (47.1 / 35.8) ... or the tsi is 24% less efficient than the TDI (35.8 / 47.1)



I manage 34 mpg av out of my tfsi.

the same logic of adding 31% would equate to comparable mpg of 44.7

TFSI cost per mile = 12.57 pence (based on 94p per litre)
TDI cost per mile = 9.96 pence (based on 99 per litre)

TFI cost for 3000 miles a month = £377.06
TDI cost for 3000 miles a month = £301.05



PS i do 50,000 miles a year and justified the petrol by comparing the TFSI with the Focus ST !!!

 

[phil3012]

official stats

The Leon T FSI FR: 142mph, 0-62mph 7.3 seconds, 35.8mpg.

The Leon TDI FR: 135mph, 0-62mph in 8.3 seconds, 47.1mpg.

this translates as.... the diesel is 31% more efficient than the tfsi (47.1 / 35.8) ... or the tsi is 24% less efficient than the TDI (35.8 / 47.1)



I manage 34 mpg av out of my tfsi.

the same logic of adding 31% would equate to comparable mpg of 44.7

TFSI cost per mile = 11.63 pence (based on 87p per litre)
TDI cost per mile = 9.96 pence (based on 99 per litre)

TFI cost for 3000 miles a month = £348.99
TDI cost for 3000 miles a month = £301.05

£47.13 saving a month (or £565.55 a year) is significant, but the choice is yours. For me the petrol was worth it.

PS i do 50,000 miles a year and justified the petrol by comparing the TFSI with the Focus ST !!!

Unfortunately the performance figures are meaningless as they don't translate into real world driving.

The petrol diesel debate can go on all day, they've had the same one on the TT Forum.

After driving many of the modern hot hatches and a few diesels, not the Leon FR but both the Ibiza FR and Cupra my opinion is...

For outright performance a petrol wins hands down, a diesel can never match it. Sound of the engine is great too on performance models.

A modern diesel though is cleaner, quieter and a lot more torque. At certain rev ranges a 130 bhp Ibiza FR could give the Leon Cupra a run for its money. Some diesels in particular the VAG engines have their own unique sound. Also excellent MPG and cheap road tax.

Downsides of petrol is fuel consumption, the FR and Cupra Leons aren't bad in the scheme of things, but boot it and you can easily see the wrong side of 20 mpg.

Downsides of diesel is soot out of older design engines (I think the DPF is supposed to help combat this), tractor sound on tick over (TT isn't bad but was very noticeable in the Ibiza Cupra) and is marginally more expensive. (about 10p more than Unleaded and 5p more than Super). To make a fair comparison between the FR petrol and TDi you need to use the figures for Super as that's what's recommend to run it on.

For me at the moment I am getting at least 18 mpg more out of the TT than Cupra on the same run. The Cupra did get better though when it was run in at about 9K miles.

I would buy another petrol in the future but even doing say 12K miles a year on paper the diesel is cheaper.

A TDi is also a lot easier to sell on at the moment, very few people want high performance petrol cars at the moment. I see that my old Cupra is still up for sale and keeps getting reduced in price.

 

[SpursMadDave]

official stats

The Leon T FSI FR: 142mph, 0-62mph 7.3 seconds, 35.8mpg.

The Leon TDI FR: 135mph, 0-62mph in 8.3 seconds, 47.1mpg.

this translates as.... the diesel is 31% more efficient than the tfsi (47.1 / 35.8) ... or the tsi is 24% less efficient than the TDI (35.8 / 47.1)



I manage 34 mpg av out of my tfsi.

the same logic of adding 31% would equate to comparable mpg of 44.7

TFSI cost per mile = 11.63 pence (based on 87p per litre)
TDI cost per mile = 9.96 pence (based on 99 per litre)

TFI cost for 3000 miles a month = £348.99
TDI cost for 3000 miles a month = £301.05

£47.13 saving a month (or £565.55 a year) is significant, but the choice is yours. For me the petrol was worth it.

PS i do 50,000 miles a year and justified the petrol by comparing the TFSI with the Focus ST !!!

SO half of the miles you do in your TFSI are above 34mpg???????????