What to get next? FR (TDI or TFSI) ????

[Carr20vt]

why are you selling and how much?

Had my fun and want an FQ 360 now. Or if the wife gets her way a new house!!
I'll PM you a link.

 

[phil3012]

FR Petrol and Cupra are too completely different cars, I drove them the day after each other as a comparison.

I would shop round for insurance as Churchill like safe drivers, other companies will be better for your record.

I got 3 points this year and Churchill put the Mrs's insurance up by £40 as I'm a named driver, so much for 3 points not affecting insurance.

 

[MATT'88]

The thing with the FR TDI is that yes its fairly quick but it does drink to be quick.

I am also 21 on 6th feb this year and have the fr tdi with 3points and dangerous driving. i pay £880comp with my student girlfriend.

My dad has traders which he is going to put me on when i turn 21 (3weeks 4days) if the cost isn't more than £900 and then i will be defiantly trading my 57 tdi in for a brand new cupra. It just seems that fuel costs and the mpg work out the same for both.

Diesel more expensive
petrol cheaper

But there is a MPG TOLL thread on here somewhere and on AVERAGE the petrol's were pretty much the same mpg as the derv.

 

[Ibiza23]

I have an fr tdi, i think it boils down to the amount of mileage you will be doing, between the fr tdi and the tfsi it got to be the tdi imo, its the best seller in the range. Im from NI where the tdi version of the fr is the best seller without a doubt over here and will retain its money better than the petrol version of the fr, if i wasnt doing alot of mileage id have went for a petrol leon and tbh and wouldnt even have considered the fr petrol, it would have been the cupra id have bought. Just my opinion though

 

[Al]

Had my fun and want an FQ 360 now. Or if the wife gets her way a new house!!
I'll PM you a link.

Evo X? I would be really interested to know how you like it if you do end up buying it mate as I fancy one of them too

 

[Street]

I would say get the TDI, but then I'm a diesel fan! It also depends on how many miles you're doing a week, I do around 500 a week in mine so diesel is the best choice for me.

The TDI is no slouch in speed either, especially when remapped. I've given a few more expensive cars a run for their money when they want to prove how big their engine is.. Get some shocked faces, especially when they hear my tractor engine chugging away!

 

[kezFR07]

its alright saying cupra but it all comes down to money. id ov got a cupra aswell but its 3 groups higher insurance, less mpg, and about 3k dearer so i went for the tfsi which is still skinting me haha glad i didnt get a cupra id never be able to save a deposit up on a place! cmon the tfsi is a great car aswell lets av sum respect 40bhp isnt that much extra ha

 

[Freewheelin']

Personally I would buy a petrol FR or Cupra unless you need to go diesel because of high annual mileage. I have an FR TDI and the driving characteristics of the diesel engine are beginning to annoy. As an aside my sister has a Golf TSI with the 1.4 170bhp engine and I wish this engine was available to Seat. It seems to be the best of both worlds as its petrol (so sufficient power with a responsive engine and decent power band) and she gets similar fuel economy to my TDI....although the economy might not be quite as good in my hands

Had my fun and want an FQ 360 now. Or if the wife gets her way a new house!!
I'll PM you a link.

Evo X? I would be really interested to know how you like it if you do end up buying it mate as I fancy one of them too

I have a X RS (had an VIII MR and a VI GSR previously) and I can't believe how good the X is out of the box with just minor modifications....Mitsubishi just keep making 'em better and better I've never driven a Cupra (so not trying to compare this with the Evo) but the difference between the FR and the X is massive in every respect (even fuel consumption but that's in the FR's favour ). The FR is a reasonably quick car but the X is in a different league....the problem is finding quiet roads where you can stretch its legs properly (difficult but not impossible ) alternatively track it.

 

[phil3012]

its alright saying cupra but it all comes down to money. id ov got a cupra aswell but its 3 groups higher insurance, less mpg, and about 3k dearer so i went for the tfsi which is still skinting me haha glad i didnt get a cupra id never be able to save a deposit up on a place! cmon the tfsi is a great car aswell lets av sum respect 40bhp isnt that much extra ha

The Cupra is a better car in many ways than the FR as it is more than just the 40 horses.

To be honest though for the extra power alone, it's not worth it as there is not much opporunity to use it on U.K roads.

 

[Carr20vt]

Evo X? I would be really interested to know how you like it if you do end up buying it mate as I fancy one of them too

Yes a Evo X will have to see tho 31 today and fancy a new toy. A mate just bought 2004 MR FQ400 what a beast.

 

[Carr20vt]

Personally I would buy a petrol FR or Cupra unless you need to go diesel because of high annual mileage. I have an FR TDI and the driving characteristics of the diesel engine are beginning to annoy. As an aside my sister has a Golf TSI with the 1.4 170bhp engine and I wish this engine was available to Seat. It seems to be the best of both worlds as its petrol (so sufficient power with a responsive engine and decent power band) and she gets similar fuel economy to my TDI....although the economy might not be quite as good in my hands







I have a X RS (had an VIII MR and a VI GSR previously) and I can't believe how good the X is out of the box with just minor modifications....Mitsubishi just keep making 'em better and better I've never driven a Cupra (so not trying to compare this with the Evo) but the difference between the FR and the X is massive in every respect (even fuel consumption but that's in the FR's favour ). The FR is a reasonably quick car but the X is in a different league....the problem is finding quiet roads where you can stretch its legs properly (difficult but not impossible ) alternatively track it.

Any pics mate? What minor mods do you recommend?

 

[Freewheelin']

Any pics mate? What minor mods do you recommend?

First decision is whether to buy an FQ 300 or a 360....that depends on whether you want to mod it or keep it standard and hang onto the warranty. If you want to mod it get a 300 and you get to choose the modifications. You will see 400 bhp/400 lbs ft torque with a decent induction kit (although the standard set up is pretty good with just a uprated panel filter), 3" turbo-back exhaust and a remap. The 360 is very good if you want to keep it standard although there are ways of remapping these without Mitsubishi knowing and again you would see 400/400. I would definitely recommend a remap whichever way you go because the standard map runs very rich....with a remap the car is nicer to drive and fuel consumption is noticeably better.

My RS has been lowered on Eibach Pro-Kit springs but retains the standard RS dampers and brakes are standard Brembo's (which is fine for road use as you get 350mm 2 piece front discs and 330mm rears). Its away at the moment having an issue with the mapping sorted plus fitting an AMS induction kit and 3" downpipe (the rest of the exhaust is already 3") so I'm hoping to see over 400/400. The suspension geometry is being reset to fast road settings....something else worth doing as they often come from the factory with settings which are way out. My front tyres are shot on the inner edges after 3k miles so its a good investment when you first get the car. The wheels are aftermarket gun-metal Advan RS 18x9".

PM me if you want any more info/recommendations. I'm sure you've already discovered the MLR site which covers just about everything Evo-related.

 

[Carr20vt]

First decision is whether to buy an FQ 300 or a 360....that depends on whether you want to mod it or keep it standard and hang onto the warranty. If you want to mod it get a 300 and you get to choose the modifications. You will see 400 bhp/400 lbs ft torque with a decent induction kit (although the standard set up is pretty good with just a uprated panel filter), 3" turbo-back exhaust and a remap. The 360 is very good if you want to keep it standard although there are ways of remapping these without Mitsubishi knowing and again you would see 400/400. I would definitely recommend a remap whichever way you go because the standard map runs very rich....with a remap the car is nicer to drive and fuel consumption is noticeably better.

My RS has been lowered on Eibach Pro-Kit springs but retains the standard RS dampers and brakes are standard Brembo's (which is fine for road use as you get 350mm 2 piece front discs and 330mm rears). Its away at the moment having an issue with the mapping sorted plus fitting an AMS induction kit and 3" downpipe (the rest of the exhaust is already 3") so I'm hoping to see over 400/400. The suspension geometry is being reset to fast road settings....something else worth doing as they often come from the factory with settings which are way out. My front tyres are shot on the inner edges after 3k miles so its a good investment when you first get the car. The wheels are aftermarket gun-metal Advan RS 18x9".

PM me if you want any more info/recommendations. I'm sure you've already discovered the MLR site which covers just about everything Evo-related.

Cheers for the info mate. Your looks great.

 

[SpursMadDave]

It just seems that fuel costs and the mpg work out the same for both.

Diesel more expensive
petrol cheaper

But there is a MPG TOLL thread on here somewhere and on AVERAGE the petrol's were pretty much the same mpg as the derv.

Sorry but if you think you can run a Petrol FR or a Cupra for the same price as a FR TDI you are WAY off the mark.....

Petrol FR/Cupra average mid to high 20's

Diesel FR average high 30' to mid 40's

so unless Diesel where you live is almost twice the pice of petrol you are talking rubbish....

 

[phil3012]

Sorry but if you think you can run a Petrol FR or a Cupra for the same price as a FR TDI you are WAY off the mark.....

Petrol FR/Cupra average mid to high 20's

Diesel FR average high 30' to mid 40's

so unless Diesel where you live is almost twice the pice of petrol you are talking rubbish....

I have to agree with that.

Cupra averages say 25 mpg overall, similar figure for the FR TDi say 38 mpg (as a worst case).

Cost per gallon Cupra £4.24 Super, £3.94 normal. FR TDi £4.49

Cost per mile Cupra 17 pence Super, 16 pence normal. FR TDi 12 pence.

I ran a Cupra for 15 months with a fair amount of motorway driving and overall I would say 25 mpg, the FR TDi figure is a guess after reading a few posts on it over the last year or so but is probably better than I quoted.

 

[SpursMadDave]

I have to agree with that.

Cupra averages say 25 mpg overall, similar figure for the FR TDi say 38 mpg (as a worst case).

Cost per gallon Cupra £4.24 Super, £3.94 normal. FR TDi £4.49

Cost per mile Cupra 17 pence Super, 16 pence normal. FR TDi 12 pence.

I ran a Cupra for 15 months with a fair amount of motorway driving and overall I would say 25 mpg, the FR TDi figure is a guess after reading a few posts on it over the last year or so but is probably better than I quoted.

38mpg is conservative but it gives you a start, even then it is 50% better and 25mpg in the petrol. I drive my wifes petrol car every other week to keep the mileage down on mine and although its only a 2l Hyundai Coupe its no slouch but feels soooooooooo slow compared to my FR, oh and I HATE having to change down to overtake!

 

[Al]

That looks the biz. I would love one of these

The only thing I dont like is the offset number plate. I wonder if it would be possible to mount it in the middle of the car somewhere without it impeding the intake/intercooler?

 

[Sooty torques]

I love derv so better be open about that from the start and am on my 3rd Leon TDI, having done 13K in my current Mk 2 FR including two blasts down to Spain and zipping around the UK.

Sorry, but have to agree about rubbishing the claim that petrol and TDI average out on mpg. I tow a 1200KG caravan behind my FR TDI regularly, cross-country and on M-ways, as fast as I safely and legally can - and towing I still get 27mpg on average over 200 - 300 mile trips.

At auto-route-ish speeds across France and Spain, we got 41 mpg over 2400 miles over Christmas.

Going to work everyday (A & B roads, zillion-and-one traffic lights) average is around 43 mpg.

Bottom line is horses for courses - test drive one and make your own mind up. Petrol or diesel is down to personal preference and driving style.

I wouldn't ask others to pick a woman for me - neither would I ask them to pick me a car. You have to test drive them both...

Personally, I just love grunt. With or without the missus involved

 

[steve998]

I have a leon fr tfsi and recorded the consumption.

first 3100 miles (100 hrs driving) = 32 mpg

second 3200 miles (additional 100 hrs) = 33 mpg

I travelled 190 miles today and averaged 39mpg.

Quite simply the tfsi is economical if driven sensibly day to day. I have had trips averaging less than 20mpg, but thats at the weekend!! Commuting its better than my BMW 120i with all its stop start technology.

My collegues fr tdi has averaged 38 mpg over a similar period.

My wifes A3 1.4 t has averaged 34 mpg over the past 3 months (about the same as my FR).

I know which car i prefer driving!!!

 

[leonmac]

You TDI FR drivers must have fairy feet. best I can achive is 38mpg unless in one of those SPECS areas.
Went for a takeaway last night, 9 mile trip. Got 28.6 mpg (stright road with 3 round abouts).