experienced hybrid turbo TDI owners

[philsip]

Im sending my 17vnt turbo to get hybrid'd over the next few months and was wondering, what a (130) 1749A vnt unit compared to a (150) 1749B is after hybrid'd

is there any point in getting the 150 or would a 130 with the same work carried out make any difference?

 

[philsip]

As far as i am aware of all the PD130/150/160 turbos are a GT1749V with the V showing its a VNT turbo. Where are you getting your A and B from?

id been previously told that thats the difference in code for them, the A was the 130 and the B was 150! owell

but pack to topic, is there any real difference between the 130 pd or 150/160 pd turbo?

 

[philsip]

Well they told you wrong mate.Click HERE to read all turbo models,part numbers etc.

have to really hate lairs , cheers for the info

 

[philsip]

yes mate ive gone over the info on the different types of turbos, but i cant be told by this if there is any difference after a hybrid stage 2 TD has been carried out! on either a 130 pd or 150/160 pd turbo,

any information from anyone else might help! cheers though

 

[TommyG]

This interests me too and am interested to know the same answer from the above (devonmikeyboy) just wanted ask a couple questions. seat chose different turbos to vw correct? so when buying a turbo doesnt matter what engine it is beiing applied to as same results will be seen once hybrid work is carried out? just a matter of choosing the garret or kkk turbo to start with

thanks

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

So a PD130 turbo hybrid'd will put out the same power as a PD150 turbo hybrid'd? I think that's the basic question being asked? If not PLEASE excuse me. It's new years day and I'm still suffering....

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

There is no such thing as a PD130 turbo as different models where used.As long as the PD130 turbo is a Garret GT1749V then yes as it is the same turbo as used on a PD150/160. If it`s a KKK KP39 then no.

There's no way of telling until you get the turbo off then? Unless you have ramps?

 

[TommyG]

Seat used the KKK KP39 turbo on the PD130 range which has a weak shaft therefore has to be run on a lower boost setting ( so less power ) then the GT1749V as used by VW on the PD130. The PD130/150/160 lump is all the same block and the turbo sits in the same place so makes no difference which engine it comes from. If you want to hybrid the turbo get a Garret unit but it must be in good condition otherwise Turbo Dynamics will just bin the unit as people used to send them knackered turbos wanting a top spec hybrid unit back. I have seen new Garret units for sale for £300-£400 sometimes. You might want to PM Lummox on Briskoda as he had a few new units up for sale a while ago.

cheers thats answered my query perfectly mate.

so always best to get as new a turbo as poss. would reconditioned unit be suitable or is just best to go for a low mileage unit/new if poss?

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

If it`s a Seat PD130 you have a KKK KP39 if it`s a VW it will be a Garret. Click on the LINK and you can read what cars have what turbos.

It's actually this link:

http://www.turbomaster.info/eng/applications/passenger_cars/seat/

But thanks! It says all the Ibiza Sport diesels are 160bhp.... Mine is a GT1749V by the looks of things...

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

Click on 3K where it shows the different types of turbos and it shows KKK turbos on the Seat PD130 range. HERE

So that means mine is a KKK? Good times!

 

[mrcoyote]

Might be easier to refer to this thread as it lists the different manufacturer's part numbers for each engine. Unless I'm mistaken the first link posted seems to say that the same turbo is used for both the PD130 and PD160 engines, so what's the difference in power down to? Just a simple map and the IC?

 

[T. Spark]

the turbo on the Ibiza 130 is a KKK (038 253 014C) and on the 160 its a Garrett 038 253 016 Q. The PD150 on the Leon , Golf etc is Garrett 038 253 016 G.

To me that reads its a different turbo, as different part numbers? Assuming we are still discussing Ibiza PD130 turbo's against the PD160 turbo's?

 

[TommyG]

To me that reads its a different turbo, as different part numbers? Assuming we are still discussing Ibiza PD130 turbo's against the PD160 turbo's?

Im sure your right on that t.spark as ive looked it up on links in here the pd160 seems to use the garret unit and pd130 minus a few models i believe uses the kkk turbo so if your interested in the hybrid conversion its best to use the garret which means for most pd130 owners it is likely you will need a new garett unit to begin with. hope that makes sense only using knowledge from websites given here and other input.

once this is completed would any modifications need to be done enngine internals or hoses to allow power to run smoothly? cheers

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

Why ? You have a weak turbo prone to shaft failure.

Oh sh1t.

 

[philsip]

Oh sh1t.

best way to keep yourself safe is shop around and see if u can get a second hand garret for a golf /bora 130 pd, so if the worst happens, its a straight swap saving the worry of finding another,

P.S see if and when it does go, its makes the best sound in the world lol

 

[TommyG]

All the info you need is in the links above which i provided as to which turbo is on which make and model of car.
The only necessary upgrade after having a hybrid fitted/mapped would be an uprated clutch. A panel filter, free flow exhaust and uprated intercooler pipework would be next in line to make best from the new turbo.

yea cheers for the clear up mate just wanted to check if any issues arose with internals and hoses.
Great help mate

 

[philsip]

Might be easier to refer to this thread as it lists the different manufacturer's part numbers for each engine. Unless I'm mistaken the first link posted seems to say that the same turbo is used for both the PD130 and PD160 engines, so what's the difference in power down to? Just a simple map and the IC?

this quote has quoted me happy, comparing the engines the 130/150 and160 have almost the same engines and internals minus the intercooler and map settings as well as turbo, thank you

 

[techie]

VW list..

038 253 016 G (Garrett) for the 150bhp Golf (ARL)

and

038 253 016 F (Garrett) for thr 130bhp Golf (ASZ).

Wonder why the part numbers are different if they are the same? I know this is on the Golf so the same doesnt apply to Ibiza as the turbos are slightly different.

 

[philsip]

VW list..

038 253 016 G (Garrett) for the 150bhp Golf (ARL)

and

038 253 016 F (Garrett) for thr 130bhp Golf (ASZ).

Wonder why the part numbers are different if they are the same? I know this is on the Golf so the same doesnt apply to Ibiza as the turbos are slightly different.

yea mate i know what you mean, what i cant get over is why would seat bother changing the turbo to kkk, instead of tried and test garrett units,

the same engine code ASZ 130 but different turbos

 

[techie]

Speaking from a Skoda point of view in which I have a little knowledge the Fabia vRS is always fitted with a KKK rather than a Garrett. The Octavia with the same engine will always have the Garrett unit. The turbos themselves arent directly interchangeable although its not much work to mod one to fit (requires the rotation of the housing).

I figured KKK made the ones for the Fabia, Garrett made the ones for the Octavia as the fitments are different.