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Im pretty sure the stage 1 maps are generic across the board as well. Someone correct me if they know better though.
Im getting a revo done this weekend, and they have said that the boost and timing will be changed depending on how my car drives.
The only thing with a stage 1 that is set in stone, is the fuel.
Im sure your dealer can do a bit of a deal to help bring it in line with some of the other remaps.
Im getting a revo done this weekend, and they have said that the boost and timing will be changed depending on how my car drives.
The only thing with a stage 1 that is set in stone, is the fuel.
Im sure your dealer can do a bit of a deal to help bring it in line with some of the other remaps.
M6ccy69: Glad you're happy! sound's like your car is a cupra and not a cupra R if that's the case the software is actually £349+VAT 
and on the note of our software being generic..... it isn't! it is designed to suit your ecu but offers full variable switching! this therfore means that the settings can be adjusted to suit your modifications; your driving style and your chosen fule type! if you want aggressive power delivery the car can be set up that way and if you want a more linear power delivery the car can also be set up that way!
the reason our product is priced the way it's priced is that we offer a superior product that is trusted, recognized and used golbaly!
I hope this helps!
and on the note of our software being generic..... it isn't! it is designed to suit your ecu but offers full variable switching! this therfore means that the settings can be adjusted to suit your modifications; your driving style and your chosen fule type! if you want aggressive power delivery the car can be set up that way and if you want a more linear power delivery the car can also be set up that way!
the reason our product is priced the way it's priced is that we offer a superior product that is trusted, recognized and used golbaly!
I hope this helps!
M6ccy69: Glad you're happy! sound's like your car is a cupra and not a cupra R if that's the case the software is actually £349+VAT
and on the note of our software being generic..... it isn't! it is designed to suit your ecu but offers full variable switching! this therfore means that the settings can be adjusted to suit your modifications; your driving style and your chosen fule type! if you want aggressive power delivery the car can be set up that way and if you want a more linear power delivery the car can also be set up that way!
the reason our product is priced the way it's priced is that we offer a superior product that is trusted, recognized and used golbaly!
I hope this helps!
what is stage 2 for then?
stage 2 is offered as custom, but if the stage 1 suits mods then surely theres no need for stage 2.......
You are indeed correct
Vin-R said:
You're half right in that some remaps have different charactoristics, however, the piddly little K03s and K04 turbo's fitted to 1.8Ts begin to run out of puff above 5.5k rpm (that's fact it's just the mechanical constraints)
However, with phase 1 remaps they are all generic......my belief is that stage 3 or 3+ is where you see remappers earn their money (i.e, when you are swapping turbo's)
Nice use of the word Tailoring in lieu of custom remap though......lots of companies sell lots of product using words that make the buyer feel 'special'
Anyone doubting me just ask yourself this question for £300 or £400 on a Phase 1 remap how much of this gets changed for your individual car (...I have cut and pasted from a thread written by a man ho used to set up ECU's in production Aston's etc for a living...)
".......Unfortunately it's a bit more complicated than that! (last time i checked Me7.1.1 has approx 14,700 calibrateable parameters, including something like 600 2 and 3 D "maps". The strategy guide is 6000 pages long!
Basically the ecu takes throttle pedal position as a driver torque demand, looks at current engine torque, calculates the new torque, splits off the torque delta into igntion / airside / fuelling torque demands, then tries to get to this condition.
It takes a lambda demand value (a product of a large number of maps including steady state fuelling, component protection lambda, the 2 main ones) Then measures the current plenum conditions from it's temp / MAF / MAP sensors, then corrects for manifold filling effects, again MAP / TPS / EGT / BARO / TEMPS etc, comes up with a base fuel mass. Then if within the "closed loop region" as defined by a further sub strategy, it adds the upstream lambda PID controller correction, and the rear sensor bias fueling offset, then adds the current filtered value of the fuel adaption RAM. This final fuel mass is then corrected for transient effects based on MAP and TPS, then a final fuel mass is turned into a fuel injection pulse width with further correction from fuel temp / pressure. Finally it looks up the injection angle, calculates the start and end of injection crank angle, then at the right moment actually injects the fuel. The resultant fuelling and air flow conditions are then reworked back into a flywheel torque figure and this is compared to the driver demand.
And i havent even mentioned OBD, Purge, Ignition, EGAS, CCM, traction control, transmision torque control, boost control and about 30 other important things, believe me, modern EMS systems are seriously trick bit of kit....."
hands up who thinks a 'custom' or 'tailored' remap is any more than a generic remap with a bit of timing adjustment or similar
I agree.
This is why stage 1, stage 2, stage 3 annoys me.
P-Torque works like this:
Stage 1 is a pre developed, heavily tested software upgrade to give good strong gains on a stock vehicle.
After this custom mapping is the only real next stage in my opinion.
With certain mods, I thinks its important to custom map a car on the dyno, ensuring optimum power, with minimal/no timing correction etc etc. Without fully logging and custom tuning around mods you won't get a perfect map/set up for your mods.
This is why, when contacted by customers, even if they have only changed the DP on their car, I always recommend custom tuning on the dyno
Makes you a few quid as well...... joke......
Don't tell everyone
Seriously though, we make no more than stage 1 to be honest. By the time I have spent 1/2 day on the software, and running costs of the dyno/cooling fan.
In my opinion, Revo is superior because;
They sell the switchable boxes and the code can be adjusted to suit without the need for a "custom" tweak
Flash counter is unaffected by an ECU flash or remap
The code can be switched off by the owner and is invisible to VAG diagnostic equipment
Excellent customer service
Lots of dealers/places to get it done
In my opinion, the only one close to Revo is GIAC.
I'm talking about the important bit....the software, not how its written/read. We have access to switchable units, but haven't offered them due to lack of demand
After thinking long and hard about remaps I went for REVO stage 2 as I had all the mods on the car - and I love it! I was sooooo confused beacause there are so many remaps out there. I got the free trial done and loved every min of it, so I found my nearest dealer and got booked in.
I have the SPS switch so I can self-tune my driving style - also has the handy theft mode so can leave your car turn the theft mode on and the car cannot be nicked even if the thief has your keys! I also find it handy as when your traveling long distance's you can turn the boost down or even but it back to 'standard' so your not using too much fuel
as I said I was in the same boat beacause there are so many out there! at the end of the day REVO give a money back if you don't like the product unsure what its like for other companys guess you could always try them
I have the SPS switch so I can self-tune my driving style - also has the handy theft mode so can leave your car turn the theft mode on and the car cannot be nicked even if the thief has your keys!
I also find it handy as when your traveling long distance's you can turn the boost down or even but it back to 'standard' so your not using too much fuelas I said I was in the same boat beacause there are so many out there! at the end of the day REVO give a money back if you don't like the product unsure what its like for other companys guess you could always try them
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unless you took the same car to every mapper and tried every generic map on offer i dont think there is a superior map.
as said its not until the mappers faced with sticking big bhp through the front wheels and keeping it drivable do you get a true custom map.
more important for me would be the reputation and vag experience of the garage.
i would try one other before deciding on revo. i hear that revo is quite aggressive compared to jabba, cc, p torque. be good to get a flavor of both styles.
as said its not until the mappers faced with sticking big bhp through the front wheels and keeping it drivable do you get a true custom map.
more important for me would be the reputation and vag experience of the garage.
i would try one other before deciding on revo. i hear that revo is quite aggressive compared to jabba, cc, p torque. be good to get a flavor of both styles.
Thats the thing though - Its not "just" the software that counts for many people. All the other things noted above are just as important. For example, how many dealers and re-sellers do the various tuners have? I know that in Scotland, Revo have the competition well and truly licked with regard to where it can be installed. In fact it is very hard to get something other than Revo apart from GIAC at Star or APR in Glasgow as memory serves. I dont recall seeing P-Torque available anywhere in Scotland for that matter although I am sure you will correct me on this if I am wrong
Further, a quick browse on any of the VAG forums show up some of the most frequently asked questions - is a remap being detectable by diagnostic equipment or "road test" by the main dealer? This is then qualified by another of the most frequent questions - it it possible to switch the car back to standard themselves without leaving any trace? You may not have a huge demand for switchable units, but there is a demand for them......
Using cars as a comparison to remaps, you could have a SEAT Leon, and it will do most things that an Audi A3 will do, but the Audi is the better car between the pair (and that is coming from a Leon owner and I doubt many other Leon owners would disagree). More importantly, many people are prepared to pay the premium price for things like better dealers that are more local to the people as well as the quality and features the A3 has over the Leon etc etc although the price of the Audi is the limiting factor for why most do not get the A3.
I would think the reason that more people choose Revo is because of the features/benefits their maps have along with the fact that despite being more expensive than most, its still "affordable" as you are talking about 100's rather than 1000's or 10000's.
At the end of the day, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. That being said, realisitcally, if P-Torque tuned a Leon Cupra, and Revo tuned an identical Leon Cupra, I would be willing to be that the performance of the two cars side by side is still going to be pretty much the same and that the ability of the driver would probably be the difference between one car and the other.
Sorry to be blunt, but going back to what you said about the quality of the code vs others, can you prove that Revo code is not superior to others?
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yes mate i read your post... dosnt the control unit cost extra... equaling another tuners stage 2 map?
if the 349+vat includes the controller then that is very good vfm.
does it?
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