Both those and Fiesta's (particularly Fiesta S!)
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I've started flashing them will full beam if they come towards me with fog lights on and it's not foggy!
HIDs are not for me. I'm getting a refund.
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Both those and Fiesta's (particularly Fiesta S!)
I've started flashing them will full beam if they come towards me with fog lights on and it's not foggy!
Ive never actually been blinded by HID's, but, as said above, i never stare into them. A tip from "Roadcraft" (or it might have been the IAM book) is to look to the curb when passing a car. You wont be blinded (or dazzled as seems to be the favourite phrase) and you can still see anything important.
Saw something even more annoying on the way home last night..... winking cycle lights!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funniest thing I think I ever saw was when waiting at lights about 3 cars in front a cyclist actually propped himself up on the side of a range rover (lent on it with his hand).... The driver got out, they had a heated exchange and the driver promptly hit him and knocked him clean off his bike, then the lights went and we all drove off....
winking cycle lights!!!!!!!!!!!!Funniest thing I think I ever saw was when waiting at lights about 3 cars in front a cyclist actually propped himself up on the side of a range rover (lent on it with his hand).... The driver got out, they had a heated exchange and the driver promptly hit him and knocked him clean off his bike, then the lights went and we all drove off....
Funniest thing I think I ever saw was when waiting at lights about 3 cars in front a cyclist actually propped himself up on the side of a range rover (lent on it with his hand).... The driver got out, they had a heated exchange and the driver promptly hit him and knocked him clean off his bike, then the lights went and we all drove off....
A lot of cyclists make me laugh as they expect all the saftey and consideration from motorists as it suits, but then run red lights, ride through pavements full of people, prop up on cars and ride over pelicans when the red man is on if traffic is crawling across. Then the day one gets nobbled they are screaming for justice.
see to be honest, the guys got a hatred for hids and this isnt gonna change.
i know for a fact mine to do not "dazzle" . i have been infront of the car when its driving and to be honest, they arent as bright as half the audis, range rovers and mercs that are on the roads.
As for foglights dazzling aswell... personally, i think people who say taht are having a bloody laugh. bulbs are the same brightness as your normal dipped headlights and also about 6 inches from the ground. the only thing foglights "dazzle" are bloody hedgehogs crossing the roads!
i know for a fact mine to do not "dazzle" . i have been infront of the car when its driving and to be honest, they arent as bright as half the audis, range rovers and mercs that are on the roads.
As for foglights dazzling aswell... personally, i think people who say taht are having a bloody laugh. bulbs are the same brightness as your normal dipped headlights and also about 6 inches from the ground. the only thing foglights "dazzle" are bloody hedgehogs crossing the roads!
are you sure they are fog lights? - think you may be confusing the side lights with fogs, as on the mini they are seperate from the headlights.
thats is a good tip, but thats more for use when you may be blinded. Its not good to look at the curb every single time you pass a caras there are other potential hazards.
Additional headlamps can only be classed as foglamps if they meet the following conditions:
To be used in used in conditions of seriously reduced visibility in place of the obligatory dipped beam headlamps-
b) Lateral-
i) Maximum distance from side of vehicle: 400mm
i) Maximum height above the ground-
A) 1200mm
4. Alignment: To the front and so aimed that the upper edge of the beam is, as near as practicable, 3 per cent below the horizontal when the vehicle is at its kerbside weight and has a weight of 75 kg on the driver's seat
7. Colour: White or yellow
It bears repeating that foglamps are alternative dipped beam headlamps and so can only be on if the primary headlamps are off (only one pair of dipped beams allowed at a time) and must be arranged not to dazzle - 3 percent is more dipped than a dipped-beam headlamp, which must be 1.3 percent down or 2 percent if the headlamp is more that 850mm from the ground.
Incidentally, this means the switches on most cars are badly designed, since all the ones I've seen switch on front fogs first, then the rear high-intesity fog-piercing marker. Back-to-front.
Fogs are there so you can find the edges of the road in conditions where the fog is so thick that even dipped primary lights cause too much light to be reflected back by the fog, actually reducing visibility. Low speeds are a natural side-effect of this.
Any deviation from this means that the lamps are extra headlamps, not foglamps. In the old days these used to be called "driving lights" and were used on "sporty cars" or real rally-cars to augment the seriously poor factory-fit main beam illumination.
Extra headlamps ("driving lights") must only come on with main beam and go out if you dip.
The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989
To be used in used in conditions of seriously reduced visibility in place of the obligatory dipped beam headlamps-
b) Lateral-
i) Maximum distance from side of vehicle: 400mm
i) Maximum height above the ground-
A) 1200mm
4. Alignment: To the front and so aimed that the upper edge of the beam is, as near as practicable, 3 per cent below the horizontal when the vehicle is at its kerbside weight and has a weight of 75 kg on the driver's seat
7. Colour: White or yellow
It bears repeating that foglamps are alternative dipped beam headlamps and so can only be on if the primary headlamps are off (only one pair of dipped beams allowed at a time) and must be arranged not to dazzle - 3 percent is more dipped than a dipped-beam headlamp, which must be 1.3 percent down or 2 percent if the headlamp is more that 850mm from the ground.
Incidentally, this means the switches on most cars are badly designed, since all the ones I've seen switch on front fogs first, then the rear high-intesity fog-piercing marker. Back-to-front.
Fogs are there so you can find the edges of the road in conditions where the fog is so thick that even dipped primary lights cause too much light to be reflected back by the fog, actually reducing visibility. Low speeds are a natural side-effect of this.
Any deviation from this means that the lamps are extra headlamps, not foglamps. In the old days these used to be called "driving lights" and were used on "sporty cars" or real rally-cars to augment the seriously poor factory-fit main beam illumination.
Extra headlamps ("driving lights") must only come on with main beam and go out if you dip.
The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989
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Fitting HID bulbs in standard reflectors: don't do it.
Are these HID systems road legal?
Aftermarket HID systems are not road legal due to the fact you cannot 'E' mark a bulb that is of different type to the bulb it is replacing (ie HID for halogen). Therefore we can only sell these as off road use conversions.
http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/hid-faq-c-279.html
Fitting a HID bulb into a reflector system designed for a filament bulb will screw up the beam pattern, get light reflected where it should not go and ensure that you can't guarantee where the headlamps are pointing. There could easily be more light going in the direction of oncoming motorists, and because the HID is so bright even a relatively low power sidelobe can distract, to the point where some sensitive people can claim to be dazzled.
This will be even more likely in the case of aftermarket HID's fitted to dipped-beam headlamps, whose beam shaping is much more complex than a main-beam. Modern headlamps rely on computer-generated reflector and lens designs which take into account the size, shape and position of the light source, which in a filament bulb is a horizontal (side-to-side) coiled filament. The HID source is a longtitudinal (front-to-back) straight discharge, an area of gas emitting light. It is the wrong shape, aligned at right angles to the bulb filament and in the wrong place with respect to the reflector.
Are these HID systems road legal?
Aftermarket HID systems are not road legal due to the fact you cannot 'E' mark a bulb that is of different type to the bulb it is replacing (ie HID for halogen). Therefore we can only sell these as off road use conversions.
http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/hid-faq-c-279.html
Fitting a HID bulb into a reflector system designed for a filament bulb will screw up the beam pattern, get light reflected where it should not go and ensure that you can't guarantee where the headlamps are pointing. There could easily be more light going in the direction of oncoming motorists, and because the HID is so bright even a relatively low power sidelobe can distract, to the point where some sensitive people can claim to be dazzled.
This will be even more likely in the case of aftermarket HID's fitted to dipped-beam headlamps, whose beam shaping is much more complex than a main-beam. Modern headlamps rely on computer-generated reflector and lens designs which take into account the size, shape and position of the light source, which in a filament bulb is a horizontal (side-to-side) coiled filament. The HID source is a longtitudinal (front-to-back) straight discharge, an area of gas emitting light. It is the wrong shape, aligned at right angles to the bulb filament and in the wrong place with respect to the reflector.
Yep i'm sure they are foglights as they sit about a foot lower than the headlights
Dont take it so personally.... nobody said it was YOUR lights that were the problem, im sure they are a decent kit and well fitted.
As for having a laugh about fog lights... the clue is in the name, they are not called "slight drizzle" lights or "perfectly easy to see but i just want to look a ****" lights... they are FOG LIGHTS!!!!!
There are enough flat hedgehogs on the road without blinding the ones that could have got away!!!!!
Each to their own I suppose, mine are perfect for what I want, not massivly bright, dont dazel others, and I like them... So i'll be keeping mine! Best mod so far!
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earlier this mornign i tried driving with sidelights and foglights on... and i can safely say u cant see **** all with them on.
they hardly light up the road , so i dont know what your issue is with them.
How do you get dazzled by oncoming traffic on a motorway
On the bends
The oncoming traffics lights are pointed directly at you.
On the bends
On the bends
Pointed directly at you
On the bends, these are only gradual because it's a motorway and I really cant see how on earth you can get dazzled by headlights that are going round a bend, all the way over on the other side, that also has a barrier blocking the light
its impossible that the lights are pointing directly at you, cos if they were I think we would all be dead by now
One of the first things I was told when I had my first driving lesson in the dark (20 years ago now) 
was NOT to stare into the lights of oncoming cars. 20 years ago halogens were only on the top spec brand new cars.
Yes some people have the wrong lights on or badly aimed lights, deal with it.
Look at the kerb and don't be a moth.
EDIT, what were the old fashioned golf ball shape bulbs that they had in MK1 fiesta's, they had like an H4 fitment but they were not halogen ????
was NOT to stare into the lights of oncoming cars. 20 years ago halogens were only on the top spec brand new cars.Yes some people have the wrong lights on or badly aimed lights, deal with it.
Look at the kerb and don't be a moth.
EDIT, what were the old fashioned golf ball shape bulbs that they had in MK1 fiesta's, they had like an H4 fitment but they were not halogen ????
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This is what we had for headlamps when I started driving
The same sort of arguments were going on back then about halogen H4's as we are having now about HID's
In a few years it will be LASERS and HID's will be old and dim
The same sort of arguments were going on back then about halogen H4's as we are having now about HID's
In a few years it will be LASERS and HID's will be old and dim
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Ah yes! The tungsten filament bulb!
Technology changes over time & we soon get used to the new & improved item.
I remember when I hated mobile phones & swore never to get one! Now I wouldn't be without it when I go out.
Technology changes over time & we soon get used to the new & improved item.
I remember when I hated mobile phones & swore never to get one! Now I wouldn't be without it when I go out.
This is what we had for headlamps when I started driving
The same sort of arguments were going on back then about halogen H4's as we are having now about HID's
In a few years it will be LASERS and HID's will be old and dim
I agree completely
couldn't have put it better myself deal with it i'm sure there are more important things to worry about then complaining about headlights on a car 
for christ sake get a life
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