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SEAT SportCoupé “Bocanegra”

Feel

Veedubya 'velle
Jun 12, 2003
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The more I see it the more I think it's simply stunning. Me want :drool:

Scott

It really is a grower, isn't it? At first look, you like it, but then the more you look, the more you like. At few collegues have been gathering round and they've all said the same.

The Seat family front grill doesn't really suite the front end treatment, but it's not offensive...

It does look more Leon than Ibiza.

It doubt the brakes will make it to production, but if you look at the discs - would you say that the car's been "used" rather than just driven onto the stand?
 

Damoegan

Sir Bob,a geordy legend..
Oct 15, 2007
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I hope the finished car keeps the LED daytime running lights like how the Audi A5 and more expensive A4 models have.



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I think that is the bast hot hach I have ever seen, siply stunning :drool:
 

Mr.SeZ

Active Member
Jan 18, 2007
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if thats more or less what its gonna look like, then i might have 2 get me 1 of them. it does look alot like a A3 from the side though.
 

Rob66

Full Member
Apr 25, 2004
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WOW!!! think i will have to get myself one of those babies if it looks like that. loving the LEDs. My dealer was telling me that the facelifted Leon will have a similar look in 12months time. Looks like i'll be spending more money!
 

T. Spark

Guest
Would it be really bad to have a track-day MK4 DERV FR and the purchase a Cupra DERV for 'another' car

Aswell as the company car, haha!
 

Skisbp

Full Member
So any members attending the Geneva show?!?
Someone really needs to snap some shots of the rear suspension!:whistle:
I'd expect most of the changes to be on the interior giving it a more toned down corporate look...

http://www.seatcupra.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=811&Itemid=1:seatgod:
Notice how... "This 1.4 Bi Turbo 7 speed DSG equipped model" & "lies a powerful and economical 1.4 twin-turbo engine with TSI technology" When previously if VAG weren't referring to the watered down non supercharged 1.4TSI it's known as the Twin-charger:confused: alluding of course to it's supercharger then turbocharger working in tandem!?!:cop: So can I assume this is just a typo? Or are they alluding to something else like the Hybrid drive train seen in the A1 concept the "Audi Metroproject Quattro"?!?:thumbup:

What do you think Poverty they mean by...
"the sublime stability and precision of SEAT’s signature ‘Agile Chassis’, and drivers are able to enjoy sporty motoring at its very finest." Might this be the rumored independent rear suspension they worked on with Audi? :drive1: Or just the standard SALES pitch for retuning an old apple cart...:censored:
 

ZBOYD

Looking up at the stars!
May 19, 2001
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very nice, I like it, but its only concept right?

It's a concept yes, but your essentially looking at the Mk5 3door Ibiza.

Much of the bling will likely be toned down, but what your looking at is an Ibiza, and possibly even what the Cupra version will look like in 12-18months time.

As I pointed out earlier in this thread. The Leon Prototype concept model (shown in 2005) is what the Leon Cupra eventually ended up looking like give or take a bit of bling that is now the production model.
 
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ZBOYD

Looking up at the stars!
May 19, 2001
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By the way the bloke in the pictures above isn't Bono from U2 :cartman:

It's a bloke called Custo Dalmau, who is apparently a famous spanish Fashion designer. :whistle:
 

Poverty

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I will post a reply to your question soon skisbp. Just got in from work so gonna change into something a little more comfortable :D
 

Starscraper

Guest
The new MkV is 11cm longer than the MKIV but the wheelbase is only 1mm longer. I'm wondering what having longer front and rear overhangs will do to the handling. However the track is wider so that should help plus its quite a bit lower which is always a good thing.
 

amccan10

Active Member
Feb 16, 2007
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thats wan*tastic!!!!

better make it like that, and bring out something along the same lines to replace the god awful toledo
 

Bonzy1800

Back in a SEAT
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i wonder if the toledo replacement (bolero) will have a simillar face.

loving this its such a good looking car really looking forward to see this in real life (probably 12 months tho, the cupra)
 

Poverty

Guest
Do we know what chassis it will be based on?

Scott

Its gonna be the same chassis as the audi A1(metroproject concept)!!!!!!!!!!

I just looked up the dimensions for the A1 chassis and they are identical in wheel base, and width, and near enough the same for the whole car length. Obviously car length differs slightly due to the exterior design. However even those all those things are identical there is no guarantee that the ibiza will have multi link rear suspension sadly :(

I really need to find dimensions for the new skoda now and the current polo.

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Just checked the dimensions on the new skoda and im happy to say that the bocanegra/a1 sits wider, is lower in height and longer. No wheelbase figures though.
 
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Skisbp

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Its gonna be the same chassis as the Audi A1(Metroproject concept)!!!!!!!!!!

I just looked up the dimensions for the A1 chassis and they are identical in wheel base, and width, and near enough the same for the whole car length. Obviously car length differs slightly due to the exterior design. However even those all those things are identical there is no guarantee that the Ibiza will have multi link rear suspension sadly :(

I really need to find dimensions for the new Skoda now and the current polo.

Edit:

Just checked the dimensions on the new Skoda and I'm happy to say that the bocanegra/A1 sits wider, is lower in height and longer. No wheelbase figures though.

As they all share the same PQ24 chassis they're all nearly Identical @2460-2461W.B.!!! The FabiaII rides on the newer PQ25 yet based on dimensions & the like it's obviously a carryover...:cry: If we're lucky enough to see the rumored multi-link set-up even on the A1 then I suppose it would receive the PQ26 designation.
 

Poverty

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What do you think Poverty they mean by...
"the sublime stability and precision of SEAT’s signature ‘Agile Chassis’, and drivers are able to enjoy sporty motoring at its very finest." Might this be the rumored independent rear suspension they worked on with Audi? Or just the standard SALES pitch for retuning an old apple cart...

Well 99% of the time I would dismiss such comments as usual BS sales pitch. However I think those comments, whether intentional or not will ring true for the next gen ibiza.

Alot of the SEAT's board of head honchos are ex audi guys, and with that comes the lessons that they have learned with audi over the past 10-15 years.

Audi used to be dismissed as a lesser brand compared to MB and BMW. However over time they have managed to change that perception making audi the fastest growing premium car marquee in the world. Audi are doing so well they are described as VW's "Golden Goose" and analyst's reckon audi will have overtaken BMW by 2011/2012.

For audi to do this they had to come up with something that worked for them, and that was a strong brand image identity, coupled with great interiors and conservative minimalstic styling. What let them down though for many was the way the car's handled and drove. However audi realised this and so is evident in the R8, new TT and new A4 etc which really have put audi up there drive wise.

Now its taken audi a long time to come up with this formula for success for several reasons, and because audi and vw have already done the hard work SEAT the sister company will benefit withougt having the same waiting peroid. SEAT can straight away put in their new updated business model for success which seemingly starts with the next gen ibiza.

The ex audi executives want SEAT to have audi like quality interiors, sharp sporty look, a design that looks sporty and that will in time create a strong brand image. The tribulus concept design cues can be seen in this ibiza already and it will go across the board.

All audi's have a similiar identity or corporate look and it looks like SEAT will follow such a forumula.

And because SEAT have come up with such a strong concept, and the ex-audi execs having strong ties within ingolstadt, I can only see that they will try and get audi know how and tech into more of their vehicles, and put into place the lessons learned from audi. Its no good having the best looking car in its class on sale if it doesnt have the same class leading drive to match it.

Also its evident audi and seat have built some strong ties together due to the ex audi executives. The mk2 leon cupra engine had alot of input into it from audi, and my sources have said that the upcoming audi a1 chassis was being developed with the help of SEAT.

Also with the upcoming SEAT Bolero running a modified Audi A4 B7 chassis is more evidence of audi seat ties.

So with all of those things I think we are gonna see multi link rear suspension on the ibiza. We might not see it on the lesser models, but on the 3 door FR and most certainly the cupra I think it will be a given that they will have rear multi link suspension. VAG want to take sales from the mini and BMW know this, and so inturn rumours point to BMW making a actual BMW badged mini type car (called the half series lol?).

What is confusing now though is where SEAT fits within the whole of VAG, and what porsche makes of it all once they have finished their arguable hostile takeover of VAG.

Will SEAT be positioned above, below, or alongside VW but albeit more sporty? If the quality of this concept carries throught the SEAT range I can see it easily upstaging VW vehicles. On other forums people are now saying asking how come SEAT gets better looking vehicles than VW ;)
 
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