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[BIGAR]

Nope, not having a laugh. Yes, the 2.0T does pull smoother than the 1.8T but IMHO I think this makes it feel slower. You don't get the same surge of power that you get from the 1.8T. The 2.0T has the same top speed and is apparently 0.3 seconds quicker 0-60. Thats nothing and the new car actually feels slower to me.
Having never driven a Mk2 Cupra, I can't comment on the performance. My main reason for waiting for the Mk3 is the styling. The dash is fine for a brat chariot like the Altea but for a sports hatchback its way off the mark. The Octavia, Focus RS and Megane are all miles ahead in this respect.

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0 to 100 times

Figures were as follows:

1) Audi S3: 14.5s
2) Mazda 3 MPS: 14.9s
3) Seat Leon Cupra: 15.3s
4) Astra VXR: 16.1s
5) Megane R26: 16.5s
6=) Golf GTI 200PS: 16.9s
6=) Golf R32: 16.9s
8) Focus ST: 17.0S
9) Civic Type R (new): 17.1s
10) Mini Cooper S: 17.6s
11) Clio 197 :17.7s
12) Pug 207GT: 24.0s
13) Fiesta ST: 24.1s
14) Panda Sport: n/a (100 not achieved!)

Some of the newer cars have come a long way in reducing times, but I suppose these figures were done on a grippy track, not the open road. That puts standard LCR in 10th place against todays new motors (which I'm surprised by). Obviously there are some LCR's on here that would head up the table (Songman comes to mind)."


I thought that leon cupra r =

Power : 225 bhp
0-60: 6.9 s
Top Speed: 150 mph

and Mrk 2 leon =

power 240ps
0-60mph (sec) 6.4
TOP SPEED 153

please correct any of these stats as they ar not my own

but all i know is that i used to have a 240BHP mrk 4 beeza cupra and the new leon is quicker over timed runs as standard, and top speed for mrk 2 leon has been clocked at 154mph and it was still climing that is fact i know

the new mrk2 can lay the power down in a way the mrk1 could never in addition to this it handles a lot better, granted because of the torque curve that seat have put on it, you don’t get the surge of torque when you press the pedal but surly you are smart enough to see the power it is laying down all the way in to the red.

I also think you should go and drive one before making foolish claims

 

[Skinfakse]

Last week I took an LCR for a spin! - It was remapped to at least 245hp and was pretty fast, no doubt about that! It was also - of cause - faster than my TFSI Sport (standard engine)... but I wasn’t impressed by the car at all... except for the speed!

It was from July 05, had done 30.000km, 19" wheels and looked pretty awesome! - But compared to my own Leon (april 06 and 17.000km), I was surprised how OLD it felt driving. Besides of that, it was extremely noisy (all right... it went on 19") compared to my own car on 18" with the same lowering! It rattled from a lot of different places and the interior felt pretty old looking as well! (BTW: I can’t figure out why so many people are complaining about the interior in the new Leon as being in a lower quality than the old one?) The whole car itself felt “lose” and the gearshift was crap (and felt lose to) compared to my one car!

Allright… it is the only “old” Leon I have ever driven, so maybe I have just been unlucky with this car!

BTW: The car was on sale for a little bit less than I paid for my (new) car a year ago!

All in all it was a nice and fast car, but would I swap it for my own TFSI sport? – No way… it felt miles behind the new Leon, and the salesman must believe in miracles if he thinks he can sell it for that price!

I do not intend to insult anyone… just want to tell my personal experience with the cars! – I do know that other people feel the opposite!

 

[jonathanp]

from what I've read on these forums and from speaking to people who have test driven the new cupra the performance is pretty much on a par with a standard LCR.

The new cupra is only 15PS up on the LCR so you'ld struggle to see the that difference on the road as has been said before when comparing the LCR 210 to the 225 (15PS increase) added to that the cupra weighs more so its power to weight is near identical

The way I see it the Mk2 Cupra is a modernised version of the LCR it offers similar performance to the previous car but it has some of the latest toys and this is probably whats going to interest new buyers plus the novelty of it being a brand new model with a new reg

personally owning a LCR from new I wouldn't trade it in for the Cupra unless I got a really good deal as I wouldn't want to suffer the depreciation again and it doesn't really offer me anything more than the LCR does.

I know the handling is supposed to be much improved on the cupra but I think its more of a case of its easier for the average person to drive as some of the track times posted previously aren't any quicker than what the LCR achieved.

As it is people are already looking at changing the suspension on the cupra before they've even bought the car due to the rough ride.

I'm not a hater of the new cupra at all, I'm quite tempted myself but I'd rather wait to see if the prices come down or if any special offers come up (maybe even a limited edition) plus there seem to be quite a few posts regarding niggling faults on the mk2 leon which hopefully seat will iron out over the next year

 

[Cupra Ross]

I also think you should go and drive one before making foolish claims

As you know fine well, I was talking about the 200bhp FR.

Read this:

Well guys, as I say, I did drive the 200 bhp FR and the 170 bhp diesel as I was thinking of buying a tax free one when I was in Germany. All of this is my opinion and everybody is welcome to theirs.

Having never driven a Mk2 Cupra, I can't comment on the performance. My main reason for waiting for the Mk3 is the styling. The dash is fine for a brat chariot like the Altea but for a sports hatchback its way off the mark. The Octavia, Focus RS and Megane are all miles ahead in this respect.

Each to their own and I know those who like the style of the Mk2 will be delighted with their cars. Well built and very quick.

Now if theres something in my post that has offended you, I can't see why. I have been fair and constructive based on experience. I can understand why you see such a massive difference between your Ibiza and your Leon. Having also owned mk2 and mk4 Ibizas, none of them are particularly refined in comparison to a Mk 1 Leon.

You'll be able to see from my previously owned cars that I am a staunch supporter of the SEAT brand. I take no pleasure in criticising any of the cars but lets call a spade a spade. I see the Mk2 Leon as an opportunity missed and a bit of a gift to the competition, I have yet to see one good review of the Mk2 Cupra or a group test where it has performed well. I could have had a brand new 2.0T FR for £10795 tax free and with discount and they buy it back a year later for the same price you pay for it: http://www.bfgcars.com/special-offers.asp If I thought the car was as good as the Mk1, I'd have bought one, crazy not to at that price and no depreciation worries.

 

[honeyman]

Just to put my two penneth in, I have the new Cupra having previously owned a ReVo'd cupra R, The R was fun and quick but the new engine is so much smoother and loves to rev, yes at first it doesn't feel as quick but believe me it is, you can't compare the cars as they are chalk and cheese. the suspension is fine as standard as far as i'm concerned, if im honest a little more body roll than i'd have liked, but it's worlds apart from the R.

 

[BIGAR]

Just to put my two penneth in, I have the new Cupra having previously owned a ReVo'd cupra R, The R was fun and quick but the new engine is so much smoother and loves to rev, yes at first it doesn't feel as quick but believe me it is, you can't compare the cars as they are chalk and cheese. the suspension is fine as standard as far as i'm concerned, if im honest a little more body roll than i'd have liked, but it's worlds apart from the R.

Yes I think that sums it up quit well "chalk and cheese" as i too loved the rush when you put your foot down in a mrk1 revo'd . but love the way the new one revs and puts down the power, but in the end it makes no odds cos it gettin a custom remap and with a view to moding i am lookin forward to pushing the boundaries with the new mrk2 just as before, and that how i see it a solid platform to build upon

 

[BIGAR]

Also what your failing to see is the is class of the car so much more refined over the mrk1 you don’t get the lump of toque and then start to fade away you get solid power all the way something the lcr never had the drive is so much nicer sits better on the road and as standard it would trounce a standard lcr and so many hot hatches out there as well, just look at the 0 to 100 figures the speak for them self and if you don’t like the look put an Mrk2 cupra next to the mrk1 you will see how old and dated it looks i still love the mrk one but ask me if i would swap it for one ? i would just laugh what you need to do to appreciate the new cupra is see it on the road against so common foes then you see that seat have hit the nail right on the head "understatd looks but not to be messed with" wolf in sheeps clothing

 

[thermalp4]

Jesus guys I think we've established that you like the MK2 Cupra over the MK1 LCR. Lets just leave it where it is and end this thread.

 

[BIGAR]

Jesus guys I think we've established that you like the MK2 Cupra over the MK1 LCR. Lets just leave it where it is and end this thread.

sorry guys Cupra Ross just got me a bit with his ill founded comments

 

[ZBOYD]

Jesus guys I think we've established that you like the MK2 Cupra over the MK1 LCR. Lets just leave it where it is and end this thread.

If you don't want definitive answers, don't ask!! The forum will always give you a good 50:50 discussion, its what its here for.

 

[thermalp4]

All i wanted was some facts on why the TFSI engine is "Better" than the 1.8T. and define better.

To me both cars are awesome and both have advantages/disadvantages over each other; lets just enjoy them.

 

[ZBOYD]

The 20V 1.8T is more developed, purely by the fact its been around for so long in that many of the issues that engine has, has either been engineered out of it, or there are workarounds and identifiable fixes. It is pretty much gospal now that this engine can be tuned and tuned well.

The 16v TFSi by reflection is a much youger engine, and so any issues it may have are only just coming to light. But early signs show its just as versitile as the 1.8T its replacing.

Having driven both, i think the 16v TFSi is the better engine. Its more eager to rev for a start. The midrange pull is as impressive as the 20V engines, yet its just as happy at the limit. The 20VT in my opinion hates to be near the limiter.

I also think the TFSI is more refined, and at times can almost feel normally aspirated in its power delivery. As a generic sound its got more of a sporty sound to it, the 20V is such a clinical sounding engine with very little character even when its tuned.

They are just some of my thoughts, but both are very good, and easily tunable engines. Hence the success of the cars we all enjoy.

 

[Cupra Ross]

sorry guys Cupra Ross just got me a bit with his ill founded comments

Sorry mate, you appear to be somewhat blinded by bias. I was just sharing some objective observations as I have driven mk2s (200bhp petrol/170 bhp diesel) with a view to buying and have owned 3 mk1 1.8Ts. At every stage I've stated that these are purely my own opinions, you haven't. You come across in your posts as dictatorial and not willing to accept any point of view but your own. Your attitude befits a soap box better than a DISCUSSION FORUM. To discuss something requires listening as well as talking.

I totally disagree with your assertion that the mk2 looks better than the mk1, it couldn't be further from the truth in my opinion. If you think the mk1 looks dated, I'll happily drive a dated car. The shape of the mk1 was hailed as a modern day Alfa Sud, an iconic car. The motoring press have done nothing but slam the mk2 for its boring and conformist "eurobox" looks, poor visibility, poor quality cabin materials and poor cabin build quality (rattles).

Where do you get the impression that the LCR runs out of steam before the redline? None of the examples I've driven have had this problem. In fact the only 20VTs that were like that were the early APP leon engines and the Ibiza engines due to their lack of variable valve timing. The AUQ 1.8T in the Leon Cupra pulls cleanly and strongly from 2000 rpm all the way to the redline.

As has been mentioned previously, I am a true SEAT enthusiast having owned a mk2 Ibiza, mk4 Ibiza, mk2 Toledo and 3 Leon 1.8Ts. I'm not in the business of slagging their cars and I've lived with them long enough to speak in a qualified and subjective manner. Your ill educated branding of my opinions as "ill founded" is laughable at the very least.

 

[ZBOYD]

The motoring press should be taken with a pinch of salt, they slagged the Mk1 too, then suddenly its a darling of the used car reviews. Fickle bunch.

Your also making a dictorial assertion that because you don't like the shape of the Mk2 everyone else should hate it also.

You can redline a 20VT as much as you like, but its past the point of effective usefulness. 5500rpm is the sweet spot, anything after is a waste of engine revs.

 

[Cupra Ross]

The motoring press should be taken with a pinch of salt, they slagged the Mk1 too, then suddenly its a darling of the used car reviews. Fickle bunch.

Agreed

Your also making a dictorial assertion that because you don't like the shape of the Mk2 everyone else should hate it also.

Not really, I've stated in every one of my posts on this thread that these are purely my opinions and everybody is welcome to theirs. BIGAR puts across what he sees to be statements of fact rather than an opinion.

As in this one:

and if you don’t like the look put an Mrk2 cupra next to the mrk1 you will see how old and dated it looks

You can redline a 20VT as much as you like, but its past the point of effective usefulness. 5500rpm is the sweet spot, anything after is a waste of engine revs.

Standard yes, mapped is debatable. My mapped 1.8T pulls well into the redline.

I also think you should go and drive one before making foolish claims

sorry guys Cupra Ross just got me a bit with his ill founded comments

I'm not trying to pick a fight or cause ill-feeling with anybody here. Somebody asked for opinions and I offered mine, ie; I'd stick with a Mk1 LCR over a Mk2. Being more or less flamed by another user for voicing nothing more than an opinion is not in the spirit of this excellent forum. How can an opinion based on experience of both cars be either "ill-founded" or a "foolish claim". Who are you to tell anyone that their opinion is either of the above?

 

[BIGAR]

Sorry mate, you appear to be somewhat blinded by bias. I was just sharing some objective observations as I have driven mk2s (200bhp petrol/170 bhp diesel) with a view to buying and have owned 3 mk1 1.8Ts. At every stage I've stated that these are purely my own opinions, you haven't. You come across in your posts as dictatorial and not willing to accept any point of view but your own. Your attitude befits a soap box better than a DISCUSSION FORUM. To discuss something requires listening as well as talking.

I totally disagree with your assertion that the mk2 looks better than the mk1, it couldn't be further from the truth in my opinion. If you think the mk1 looks dated, I'll happily drive a dated car. The shape of the mk1 was hailed as a modern day Alfa Sud, an iconic car. The motoring press have done nothing but slam the mk2 for its boring and conformist "eurobox" looks, poor visibility, poor quality cabin materials and poor cabin build quality (rattles).

Where do you get the impression that the LCR runs out of steam before the redline? None of the examples I've driven have had this problem. In fact the only 20VTs that were like that were the early APP leon engines and the Ibiza engines due to their lack of variable valve timing. The AUQ 1.8T in the Leon Cupra pulls cleanly and strongly from 2000 rpm all the way to the redline.

As has been mentioned previously, I am a true SEAT enthusiast having owned a mk2 Ibiza, mk4 Ibiza, mk2 Toledo and 3 Leon 1.8Ts. I'm not in the business of slagging their cars and I've lived with them long enough to speak in a qualified and subjective manner. Your ill educated branding of my opinions as "ill founded" is laughable at the very least.

ERRRR I feel like i have just been told of by my old head master, being that you are such I quote "I am a true SEAT enthusiast having owned a mk2 Ibiza, mk4 Ibiza, mk2 Toledo and 3 Leon 1.8Ts " I suggest to you that you take a ride in the Mrk 2 cupra before passing any "ill founded" comments on it just like i told you before. On the comments which looks best " beauty is in the eye of the beholder " and that is just a matter of opinion. But the stats speak for there selves and are there for you in black and white....

 

[Cupra Ross]

I suggest to you that you take a ride in the Mrk 2 cupra before passing any "ill founded" comments just like i told you before.

At no point have I made any claim based on the mk2 CUPRA's performance, maybe you need new glasses or a new monitor or something matey, I'm sick stating that I have neither the experience nor the stupidity to voice opinions on a car I've never driven.

 

[chippenhamwilts]

I think you should all kiss and make up

At the end of the day you both like the seat cupra......1 or 2...who cares....If you were arguing over seat versus fiat then there would be an argument. Both Leaon's are good cars Imo, both look great Imo, but both are very DIFFERENT cars and can only be compared so far.

Each to thier own and all that

 

[ZBOYD]

Standard yes, mapped is debatable. My mapped 1.8T pulls well into the redline.

Nope, still the same even when mapped I know i owned a fairly well tuned R up until a few months ago.

5500 rpm is still the sweet spot, after that is just a waste of rpm.

And you can tune the 2.0L too, so im not sure where that point came and went too.

 

[BIGAR]

At no point have I made any claim based on the mk2 CUPRA's performance, maybe you need new glasses or a new monitor or something matey, I'm sick stating that I have neither the experience nor the stupidity to voice opinions on a car I've never driven.

But in every post i state mrk 2 cupra so maybe we both need glass's but you did mention Mrk 2cupra in one of your early rants

anyway Cupra Ross just want to say at the end of the day " I love U " and no hard feelings