minxycov
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ford ka - thought you said it was a hot hatch list - not a warm/luke warm/shopping trolley/biddy mobile list - although i did learn to drive in a ka 
gazjones
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this makes me laugh same with the fabia its the same bloody car underneath and a bit slower than the cupra! but on top gear they loved it when it wnet against the mini. i feel like writing in and saying test my car against all these others and see what comes out on top hehe but they dont like modded cars lol
A lot of venom posted on this thread, with people getting quite worked up about the subject. Almost like a few people feel they have something to prove, which I can't figure out. If you love your car, why worry about what anyone else says?!
Here's my 0.2p: Firstly I've owned a both the Tdi Sport and the Sport Ka. The Tdi Sport was modded with Eibach Suspension Kit, Strut Brace, Remap.
IMO Even with the uprated suspension kit on the Ibiza, Sportka was so much better in the handling department. It is a seriously well set up car and makes bendy country roads/roundabouts great fun.. it is at least as good as the MR2 Roadster I owned round twisty roads. It has a wider track than standard, stiffer suspension and is lower. It has loads of grip and great feedback. Although this won't go down on an Ibiza owner's forum, I never, ever rated my Ibiza in terms of handling. This is not the car's strong point. It is, at the very best, average. There is way too much roll, it's crashy, bouncy, over assisted and not communicative enough, this doesn't mean I didn't like my Ibiza overall, but also wasn't under the illusion it was a great handler when I owned it.
Biggar - You may point and laugh at this: "On the other hand, the Sport Ka, as its name implies, is rather more of a sports car, and a very worthy competitor to the MINI One and Cooper. You get the well-proven handling qualities of the tin-top Ka, improved with 16” wheels, 195x45 tyres, sorted suspension and the bigger 1.6i overhead cam motor. O-60 is about 9.5 seconds; not fantastic, but enough. It tops out at around 110, but with only 20mph per 1,000 rpm is happier under 100. And, with sharper handling than the Street Ka, yet still very decent ride quality, it’s a whole heap of fun. Eventually, of course, it understeers, but lift off a tad and you’re straight back on line without any back-end drama. So it’s safe as well."
And you followed it with:
"If that could beet[sic] a 20v t around a race track I will stick my D*ck between my legs and cluck. I could take my turbo off and still beet[sic] it"
Firstly.. lmao about the clucking bit.
Thing is, nowhere did it say your Ibiza wouldn't beat it round a track, in fact with Cupra power I would be amazed if it didn't. Put it this way, for the Ka to have a chance the track would need to be small, twisty and technical..lol I really do rate the handling of this little car though, and it is a good laugh to drive. I honestly think it is as good as a mini cooper handling wise - and yes, I've driven one of these too.
Earlier you said "It only handles cos it's so slow ~94bhp from wot i can see, it couldn’t even pull you out of bed. Not saying they there Sh*t for wot they are there ok but never in the same league as a Ibiza Cupra 20v T"
I can't see the correlation between handling and speed. If you gave an Ibiza less power, would it suddenly handle better? Course it wouldn't. And of course it isn't going to be the same power wise as a Cupra 20vt. The Cupra has double the power. Does this make it twice as good to drive! Unfortunately not. There is more to how something drives than the figures, as anyone who has driven an original mini or mx-5 will know! Figures only interest a 'certain' type of crowd! Also, all this talk of the car being slow makes me laugh. 0-60 9.5secs, pretty much the same as the Tdi Sport Fab VRS Hmm...lol.
However, the Ibiza has many advantages. I.e. an engine that isn't agricultural and is decently powerful, much better build quality and is probably a bit more of a comfortable place to be - plus the image!. Both cars are good in their own right, depending on what you want from a car and and what you'd pick it for, but to rubbish a cars ability purely on one aspect of it (power) is a rather misguided way of looking at things, particularly when the same thing could be said in terms of handling about the Ibiza.
Here's my 0.2p: Firstly I've owned a both the Tdi Sport and the Sport Ka. The Tdi Sport was modded with Eibach Suspension Kit, Strut Brace, Remap.
IMO Even with the uprated suspension kit on the Ibiza, Sportka was so much better in the handling department. It is a seriously well set up car and makes bendy country roads/roundabouts great fun.. it is at least as good as the MR2 Roadster I owned round twisty roads. It has a wider track than standard, stiffer suspension and is lower. It has loads of grip and great feedback. Although this won't go down on an Ibiza owner's forum, I never, ever rated my Ibiza in terms of handling. This is not the car's strong point. It is, at the very best, average. There is way too much roll, it's crashy, bouncy, over assisted and not communicative enough, this doesn't mean I didn't like my Ibiza overall, but also wasn't under the illusion it was a great handler when I owned it.
Biggar - You may point and laugh at this: "On the other hand, the Sport Ka, as its name implies, is rather more of a sports car, and a very worthy competitor to the MINI One and Cooper. You get the well-proven handling qualities of the tin-top Ka, improved with 16” wheels, 195x45 tyres, sorted suspension and the bigger 1.6i overhead cam motor. O-60 is about 9.5 seconds; not fantastic, but enough. It tops out at around 110, but with only 20mph per 1,000 rpm is happier under 100. And, with sharper handling than the Street Ka, yet still very decent ride quality, it’s a whole heap of fun. Eventually, of course, it understeers, but lift off a tad and you’re straight back on line without any back-end drama. So it’s safe as well."
And you followed it with:
"If that could beet[sic] a 20v t around a race track I will stick my D*ck between my legs and cluck. I could take my turbo off and still beet[sic] it"
Firstly.. lmao about the clucking bit.
Thing is, nowhere did it say your Ibiza wouldn't beat it round a track, in fact with Cupra power I would be amazed if it didn't. Put it this way, for the Ka to have a chance the track would need to be small, twisty and technical..lol I really do rate the handling of this little car though, and it is a good laugh to drive. I honestly think it is as good as a mini cooper handling wise - and yes, I've driven one of these too.
Earlier you said "It only handles cos it's so slow ~94bhp from wot i can see, it couldn’t even pull you out of bed. Not saying they there Sh*t for wot they are there ok but never in the same league as a Ibiza Cupra 20v T"
I can't see the correlation between handling and speed. If you gave an Ibiza less power, would it suddenly handle better? Course it wouldn't. And of course it isn't going to be the same power wise as a Cupra 20vt. The Cupra has double the power. Does this make it twice as good to drive! Unfortunately not. There is more to how something drives than the figures, as anyone who has driven an original mini or mx-5 will know! Figures only interest a 'certain' type of crowd! Also, all this talk of the car being slow makes me laugh. 0-60 9.5secs, pretty much the same as the Tdi Sport Fab VRS Hmm...lol.
However, the Ibiza has many advantages. I.e. an engine that isn't agricultural and is decently powerful, much better build quality and is probably a bit more of a comfortable place to be - plus the image!. Both cars are good in their own right, depending on what you want from a car and and what you'd pick it for, but to rubbish a cars ability purely on one aspect of it (power) is a rather misguided way of looking at things, particularly when the same thing could be said in terms of handling about the Ibiza.
I stand corrected, knew it won some award...! 
I used to own a KA and test drove a Sport KA, didn't think much of it!
Still, like it has been pointed out, people buy cars because of what 'they think about handling/performance' and not everybody gets round to test driving every car in a certain sector!
I used to own a KA and test drove a Sport KA, didn't think much of it!
Still, like it has been pointed out, people buy cars because of what 'they think about handling/performance' and not everybody gets round to test driving every car in a certain sector!
I stand corrected, knew it won some award...!
Still, like it has been pointed out, people buy cars because of what 'they think about handling/performance' and not everybody gets round to test driving every car in a certain sector!
An award like 4.5 Evo stars I suppose could be counted too.
True! people do and will buy stuff because of what they think, but I guess having actually lived with, and driven a few of the cars in the sector at least allows me to give an informed opinion about the merits of each.
llameckuf:
I can't see the correlation between handling and speed. If you gave an Ibiza less power, would it suddenly handle better? Course it wouldn't. And of course it isn't going to be the same power wise as a Cupra 20vt. The Cupra has double the power. Does this make it twice as good to drive! Unfortunately not. There is more to how something drives than the figures, as anyone who has driven an original mini or mx-5 will know! Figures only interest a 'certain' type of crowd! Also, all this talk of the car being slow makes me laugh. 0-60 9.5secs, pretty much the same as the Tdi Sport Fab VRS Hmm...lol.
my point was "correlation between handling and speed" Ford KA is so slow it doesn’t go fast enough to handle bad. but on a serious note I also used to have a mini 25th anniversary special and as much I liked it and it was fun to drive and it handled like a go kart i would never say it was as good as 20v T
and as far as the handling of the cupra I this it is the **** suspension that causes most of the upsets change that and i think you will find its not all that bad, but back to the point for the money you pay for the cupra and wot you get for you money performance and extras I think you find they are very hard to beat, and on that point that is fact and not just my point of view.
I can't see the correlation between handling and speed. If you gave an Ibiza less power, would it suddenly handle better? Course it wouldn't. And of course it isn't going to be the same power wise as a Cupra 20vt. The Cupra has double the power. Does this make it twice as good to drive! Unfortunately not. There is more to how something drives than the figures, as anyone who has driven an original mini or mx-5 will know! Figures only interest a 'certain' type of crowd! Also, all this talk of the car being slow makes me laugh. 0-60 9.5secs, pretty much the same as the Tdi Sport Fab VRS Hmm...lol.
my point was "correlation between handling and speed" Ford KA is so slow it doesn’t go fast enough to handle bad. but on a serious note I also used to have a mini 25th anniversary special and as much I liked it and it was fun to drive and it handled like a go kart i would never say it was as good as 20v T
and as far as the handling of the cupra I this it is the **** suspension that causes most of the upsets change that and i think you will find its not all that bad, but back to the point for the money you pay for the cupra and wot you get for you money performance and extras I think you find they are very hard to beat, and on that point that is fact and not just my point of view.
OK i see I’m gonna have to explain my self a little better in future, My point is I got my cupra from new and I found the handling to be fine I have now done 30k and the suspension is getting sloppy and I have change it because of this, in addition changing the suspension cost a lot less than changing the engine, and the way i look at cars is Engine first as this is the hart of any car everything else comes second with in reason.
Problem is mostly around weight surely?????
The heavier the car the worse it will handle a tight twisty track, because the brakes are having to work much harder to stop the vehicle, as is the suspension to keep it stable that you cannot carry so much speed.
You can put a 1.6 litre in a kit car and it will beat an RS4 round a tight twisty track. Turbo cars only make big ground once the turbo's spool up, becuase until they are on boost you have no advantage. On a tight twisty track unless you are a master of driving it must be hard to keep the car on boost through a series of tight twisty bends.
What is the weight difference? 250kgs?
I wouldn't worry about it, the Ibiza is 100% more desirable than a Ka. For a start the Ka is not hugely masculine, looks like a mushroom without a stalk, but its saving grace is that it can really handle well based on a power to weight ratio. Put the 2 cars on a track with some decent straights and there would be a different result completely. That aside I'd have the Ibiza Cupra every time. I'd rather pay for a Cupra than drive a free Ka.
The heavier the car the worse it will handle a tight twisty track, because the brakes are having to work much harder to stop the vehicle, as is the suspension to keep it stable that you cannot carry so much speed.
You can put a 1.6 litre in a kit car and it will beat an RS4 round a tight twisty track. Turbo cars only make big ground once the turbo's spool up, becuase until they are on boost you have no advantage. On a tight twisty track unless you are a master of driving it must be hard to keep the car on boost through a series of tight twisty bends.
What is the weight difference? 250kgs?
I wouldn't worry about it, the Ibiza is 100% more desirable than a Ka. For a start the Ka is not hugely masculine, looks like a mushroom without a stalk, but its saving grace is that it can really handle well based on a power to weight ratio. Put the 2 cars on a track with some decent straights and there would be a different result completely. That aside I'd have the Ibiza Cupra every time. I'd rather pay for a Cupra than drive a free Ka.
These results dont surprise me one bit. A list of hot hatches and the Ibiza comes near the bottom? Its because the ibiza isnt really a hot hatch. Its more of a Chicken Korma rather than vindaloo if you know what I mean?
Take things like the civic type R, Golf GTi etc which are Hot Hatches, they have decent power as standard where as an Ibiza is what? 150Bhp to a max of 180 bhp standard? Not exactly gonna set your pants on fire is it? And the handling isnt great either.
Alot of people are missing the point, The ibiza modded slightly is a completley different car altogether. A remap, suspension change, ARB would make alot of difference over the standard car.
So the test I presume was not carried out on a 'revo'd' ibiza (for arguments sake?) Standard Ibiza is pretty bland when you think about it, Nothing exciting at all. But we buy them cos they are cheap, and have potential to be fun
Take things like the civic type R, Golf GTi etc which are Hot Hatches, they have decent power as standard where as an Ibiza is what? 150Bhp to a max of 180 bhp standard? Not exactly gonna set your pants on fire is it? And the handling isnt great either.
Alot of people are missing the point, The ibiza modded slightly is a completley different car altogether. A remap, suspension change, ARB would make alot of difference over the standard car.
So the test I presume was not carried out on a 'revo'd' ibiza (for arguments sake?) Standard Ibiza is pretty bland when you think about it, Nothing exciting at all. But we buy them cos they are cheap, and have potential to be fun
Oh and the KA? Fords are pretty decent at handling so a sport KA would be a lot of fun round the twisties. Take a ford focus 1.6 pretty boring but has superb handling. The focus (any of them) is known to be a better drive than the equvilent VW Golf
gazjones
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if this is top gear lets use the top gear test track i think the ibiza would be right up the top as its a track with lots of straights few bends but nothing tight and twisty but as people have said its a hot hatch list of cars, a ka is not a hot hatch neither an ibiza really, seems more like the lcr golf type of size that fits this tag better. but at the end off the day its only what a group of people think isnt it
Triple D
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who cares ? ? wether you drive 30 mile of road or a 30m go kart track does it matter ?
a ka is not just for christmas its for the mrs
a ka is not just for christmas its for the mrs
i'm loving this thread so far, did someone from the ford car website post it for a laugh
All iv'e gotta say on the subject is driving a ford car is like riding a fat bird, it's fun till your mates see
All iv'e gotta say on the subject is driving a ford car is like riding a fat bird, it's fun till your mates see
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