Lift off Oversteer

[UncleFester]

Can only agree with the changes in how the car handles - as i've said in other posts it actually feels fun and chuckable - not words i'd have used to describe the handling before. Also feels far less floaty at speed on long fast corners.

I can't understand why SEAT didn't fit a rear ARB in the first place!

 

[andycupra]

agree with newer tyres on the rear, (although take it easy for few hundred miles as brand new can be slippery).
esp in the wet as this will enduce slightly safer characteristics, ie you are more likely to understeer than oversteer.

however im unsure why you are surprised a front wheel car will oversteer if you lift off quickly mid corner...

 

[ibizacupra]

are all these tail out moments with your ESP switched on?

kinda odd its allowing those moments if so.
My audi's ESP wont allow tail out moments which can occur when its switched off. Its grabbing brakes all over the shop with ESP on.

 

[Ruddmeister]

however im unsure why you are surprised a front wheel car will oversteer if you lift off quickly mid corner...

Think that's a given tbh

Big difference though in progressive break away that can be caught vs Snappy oversteer.

IMO there was not much notice in a stock LCR on worn rear tyres

 

[the_prophet]

"IMO there was not much notice in a stock LCR on worn rear tyres"

exactly what i thought, have lifted mid corner unintentionaly a few times, however it did seem to snap on this most recent occasion. have new rear tyres now anyways so not worrried about it.

 

[m0rk]

are all these tail out moments with your ESP switched on?

kinda odd its allowing those moments if so.
My audi's ESP wont allow tail out moments which can occur when its switched off. Its grabbing brakes all over the shop with ESP on.

When I was demo'ing the ESP at Prodrive it lets you get it out (in the dry) no problem at all - it's just that it WILL NOT fishtail (even if you back off some more) - just pulls straight.

even on the skid pan it'll let it go one way, but no more. - take ESP off & it fishtailled a lot.

 

[Avant4me]

S*d fitting the grippier tyres to the rear! which does more work??? The bottom line is if you don't know how to feel of oversteer then you need to drive slower until you have learnt. "acidstrato" is spot on. You should always break in a straigh line and should be powering through the apex. If you have to lift off mid roundabout then you mis judged your speed. Don't blame the car. Unless you hit diesel spill then its your fault alone

 

[UncleFester]

And if some pillock cuts out in front of you - there's plenty of reasons for adjusting a line halfway through a corner.

Having done the shocks and springs, done the brakes, done the wheels and tyres, done the front upper and lower Brace and a rear brace .. the thing which has made the single biggest difference is the ARB kit.

The Leons handling prior to this just didn't instill confidence because of the lack of feel.

 

[LeedsLeon]

I entered a corner in the wet where a dual carriage way merges into a single after overtaking a short line of cars, only slightly over the 50 limit as most people travel well below it on this particular road.

It's a really shallow corner so was surprised by my back end coming out very quickly. I held it as long a as possible, but had to accept the full on spin. I carried enough momentum to spin a full 360.

I'm not sure if there is a God, but someone was looking out for me that day as I ended up on the other side of the road but heading the right direction and still doing about 10mph without even touching a kerb. I re-live the whole thing in my head often and it scares me shitless what could have happened.

 

[karlosR]

i never said i was going too fast when i span on that roundabout in the summer (see my previous posts) but what i forgot to say is that it was wet, greasy and is right next to an industrial estate with a lot of lorries using that bit of road. so if is fair to say my mishap was probably caused by diesel spillages more than anything else. so acidsrato's comments on how to drive weren't greatly recieved as i do know how to drive and in the fourteen years since the L plates came off have never had a serious at fault accident. i understand all about weight transfer during cornering and understeer/oversteer so no, i wasn't going too fast and yes i did brake coming upto the roundabout. it was just one of those things!

 

[acidstrato]

not that i was referring to you or anyone specifically but its the truth...your not on a race track...use the brake pedal and approach bends/roundabouts at sensible speeds and you wont suffer any oversteer

you must have forgotten that in your 14 years

 

[UncleFester]

I defy anyone to notice diesel or some other road based contaminant on a roundabout before it's too late - you have no chance with that stuff. In the wet it would just look like the rest of the road surface.

 

[karlosR]

not that i was referring to you or anyone specifically but its the truth...your not on a race track...use the brake pedal and approach bends/roundabouts at sensible speeds and you wont suffer any oversteer

that is true in most cases but there are other contributing factors to consider. diesel, black ice, mud or just wet roads in general. add other factors such as adverse camber or pot holes to any of the fist examples and it can make driving a bit more lively no matter what speed you're doing.

 

[acidstrato]

but generally if conditions were below normal you'd react to this and take even more care (or at least you should do)


ok a spill of diesel or alike is just one of those things, but you could hit that on a straight road and still end up sideways without lifting off.

 

[UncleFester]

but you don't tend to get diesel spills on straight roads - and you can't take every roundabout in the wet at grandma speeds just in case a lorry has tipped some out of the tank.

 

[Georgie]

really? now you tell me, thanks for that! :yawn:

mmc

indeed... tis far more fun than the conventional way round them.

launch ... hold, lift off.. back end round, wait till its abotu straight, foot down again to pull you out of it.

it gets me every time, see if you can hold it in that slide... then correct it.. then make it do it again do the same roundabout once you have it back.

*pats large roundabouts*

traction control off otherwise it kills power and it lights up the dash like a christmas tree.