WTF no your missing the point if truly like for like the would be no difference at all MPG or BHP the post is about a remap on a derv and the same on a petrol and the petrol should be quicker.... don't try and mince words :w4nk:
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Remapped Cupra PD160 vs remapped1.8T
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WTF no your missing the point if truly like for like the would be no difference at all MPG or BHP the post is about a remap on a derv and the same on a petrol and the petrol should be quicker.... don't try and mince words :w4nk:
pd160 and180 1.8T remapped is nothing in it, bar torque
I'm in the wrong room to start this one off look at my quote no mater how you look at it that is the case and always will be tried and tested mate.
"Originally Posted by BIGAR
PD 160 + phase 2 CC + full milltek + forge DV + Green air filter
18 20v t+ phase 2 CC + full milltek + Forge DV + Green air filter
= the 20 V T is faster....."
Define faster...
Top speed?? Round a track?? 1/4 mile?? 30-70??
Top speed - That I expect would be unknown, For one im not going to have a go... probably cause you'd melt the turbo trying to reach it. 134 (VASCAR) is quick enough for me.
But im with BIGAR on this one. The Petrol will be marginally faster like for like. But in the real world it would be down to the driver. You may think your a good driver, but there's always someone better, not that I have ever met anyone better than me![[B)]](/forums/styles/seatcupra/oldforumsmileys/shades.gif "Cool [B)]")
(honest).
Verdict... Petrol is the quicker all rounder
Top speed?? Round a track?? 1/4 mile?? 30-70??
Top speed - That I expect would be unknown, For one im not going to have a go... probably cause you'd melt the turbo trying to reach it. 134 (VASCAR) is quick enough for me.
But im with BIGAR on this one. The Petrol will be marginally faster like for like. But in the real world it would be down to the driver. You may think your a good driver, but there's always someone better, not that I have ever met anyone better than me
(honest).Verdict... Petrol is the quicker all rounder
the diesels are a great engine and im not putting them down as they suit some drivers with miles and praticality and money but if you remap a diesel from 160bhp and you remap a petrol from 180bhp surely you derv guys can understand that the petrol will be pushing more bhp surely!!!!!!!! and with the diesel being slightly heavier at 1215kg and but more torquey (lb/ft)! with the cupra petrol weighing 38kg less at 1177kg and pushing out more bhp but less torque the cupra PETROL is the winner on the track!! but in everyday life the diesel would probably be the winner taking money into account but hey im a petrol head!!
the biggest myth of all is that diesels still achieve 60mpg at 100% throttle. maybe not as low as a 1.8T but its more than halved
at the end of the day we all bought our cars for our own reasons. i personally dont find diesels that enjoyable. both great cars though.
at the end of the day we all bought our cars for our own reasons. i personally dont find diesels that enjoyable. both great cars though.
Too close, other factors would come into play. Ie Driver.
Ive never struggled on track against any remapped Mk4's
I just think its too close to call. The difference is minimal. But if I could.. i'd have the 1.8T anyday!
You have never met my 20 v T thats why
But I like them both Derv burner and Petrol
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they are both amazing cars looks wise and performance wise! we will both agree on that
Tis true tis true. Just wish I had a BT mk4 (diesel/petrol). Maybe the new year
You have never met my 20 v T thats why
And the same way you have never met my 1.9TDI
... plus Im the one who taught the Stig how to drive Triple D
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well, before my second turbo blew, i did find out what top speed in mine was, a GPS indicated 153, silly yes i know, but everyone is stupid once in there life. No.2 yes the 20vt once mapped etc etc is very quick, and now in my current state, running 193 bhp & 300 lbft gazjones car is most probably faster than mine, and pulls just as well. When i bought my car, ill admit, it was due to insurance costs, and nothing else, i loved how torquey the engine was and i wanted to do a fair amount of stuff to it. As it stands now, it has hybrid vt2 tubro, custom pipework, full non resonated milltek, dynatwist, forge fmic and thats about it power wise, and i do love it. Its fast, very good in real terms driving, ie day to day and is awsome on the m/way.I feel now that to get it to the next stage would cost me too much money, and i would only have 260 odd bhp, so next year, im getting a petrol cupra, get the exhaust, air filter sorted, and then have a BT conversion done on it, along with a ATB diff. I feel that for the same amount i could have a bloody fast car, that would see just about most cars off on the road, within reason. Now im not saying im the best driver in the world, im not, but i do know how to handle my cars when i have found there limits, and if driven correctly they can be used in your favour against much faster vehicles.
So to come to some sort of a summary, yes i think diesels are awsome, and have come a long way in the past 5-10 years, But there are limits on the 1.9 vag engine, and i would say its around 300 bhp. Now the 1.8 20vt limits are much much higher, in the region of 600, maybe even 700 bhp. Im not gonna go that crazy, but would like to see 350 maybe 400 bhp out of the cupra.
But, if we was talking say a V10 toureg diesel engine in an ibiza, with a few tweaks, well, thats a whole different ball game
There are a lot of very fast cars you could have for the cost of that little lot, A nice little 5.5L AMG for a start or an F355 GTS.
Oh and can I have all your old bits?
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There are a lot of very fast cars you could have for the cost of that little lot, A nice little 5.5L AMG for a start or an F355 GTS.
Oh and can I have all your old bits?
Its always good wiping the look of these smugg ba$tards faces when they do try it, and it has done alot of petrol 200bhp plus cars since its had its work done.
TBH im not sure yet if im gonna sell the car as it is, or if i should sell all the parts off it, as it just seems like alot of hassle to me.Ill let you know once i come to sell it though.
no mater how you look at it that is the case and always will be tried and tested mate.
"Originally Posted by BIGAR
PD 160 + phase 2 CC + full milltek + forge DV + Green air filter
18 20v t+ phase 2 CC + full milltek + Forge DV + Green air filter
= the 20 V T is faster....."
Forge Dv on a 160pd, where can i get one?
no honest go up against a remapped 160pd trust me u'll be shocked a revo stage 2 1.8T cupra struggled against me so does a mk3 jabba stage 2.
mines 210bhp from just a remap! and 330lbs of torque.
I'd say under 120 nothing in it over the 1.8T would have it. and if your where behid me and i stuck my foot down i'd be gone
Just to point out, cars which run diesel at Le Mans are allowed considerable bigger engines and air intakes than petrol cars. Therefore it wasn't much of a suprise that Audi won this year as it isn't exactly a level playing field. If they both used similar sized engines I dont think Audi would have won.
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