Wilwood brake problems :(

[TimD]

Had the 280mm wilwood brake kit fitted this afternoon, a downgrade if you will to the tarox.

When turning right i get a sound as if something is catching as the wheel rotates, not a rub but a full on catch. At full lock turning left i get the same, but only at full lock.

The catching sounds and feels like it is coming from the drivers side wheel.

Now the people who fitted the kit (local independant garage) said they can't find anything catching what so ever, i've yet to have a look myself as i'm still at work.

Has anyone got any ideas at all as to what it could be. This catching has only started since they fitted the brand new brake kit today.

They also changed the brake fluid, and i notice that when i have my foot on the clutch for a period of time the brake pedal goes spongey.

Whats wrong there?

All in all this will be last time i use them, they've messed me around like this before with other cars but it's just getting annoying now!

Cheers guys

Tim

PS. Please know questions about the brakes, only reason i downgraded was to save money in the long term. The tarox brakes will be up for sale on here and on ebay pretty soon.

 

[cu51pra]

you need to get it up on a jack and full lock it and spin the wheels to see wats catching the spongey pedal might be air stuck in the system think brakes works of clutch some how

 

[TimD]

The people that fitted them say they can't see anything catching at all, this can't be the case surely?

It does sound like a CV joint, but i can't understand how simply changing the brakes can cause this problem?

 

[Forbez]

Check the wheels for any sign of marking where the wheels may be catching.
When i fitted my cossie brakes on my fiesta, it looked like there was nothing catching at all. But after a few weeks, it seems that somehow the brakes were scoring the inside of the wheel.
Although when jacked up, the wheels spun freely, not catching at all!

 

[TimD]

It only does it above 10-15mph too.

I'll check the clearence of the calipers tonight, cheers

 

[ibizacupra]

caliper brkt to hub bolts might be touching disk rear
make sure caliper is actually centered on the disk (width wise)

 

[Saul]

yer from memory, i had to cut down the caliper carrier bolts on my wilwoods as they were too long

 

[TimD]

Apparently the caliper isn't central, there is movement in the pad that is nearest to you as you look at the wheel.

I tried pressing the brakes as i go around a corner but still get the noise.

The killer is, i've had to pay 3 hours of labour for a car that went into the garage fine apart from a set of pads and is now making odd noises.

The say they can guarantee there isn't anything touching as the wheel rotates, the only thing the can think of is the pad movement is causing the problem. But surely the noise would dissapear if the brakes where applied, thus stopping the pads movement.

What a ****ing pain in the arse, i took the car to have fitted what i thourght was something fairly straight forward, it's ended up costing me a daft amount, i'm fed up now, really am.

 

[m0rk]

so the caliper offset is wrong....

or the pads are over worn on one side

 

[ibizacupra]

when i had my wilwoods they had some "special" washers, linished thinner, which were to be placed behind the bracket to hub to centralise the brkt... why they could'nt have simply machined the brkt right however

If its ticking, something is catching.... bolt on hub etc type thing.

 

[TimD]

They said that if i was to fit some very thin washers as bill says it will bring the caliper in line.

The kit is brand new so it can't be down to pad wear, asked them about the bolts touching the hub they say they have checked this and it's fine.

I'm going to have a look myself on thursday, i'm just so annoyed that i have to pay for them to **** up my car essentially.

 

[Forbez]

Hmm, i'd have a look, and see if anything has any marks on it, that would be a sign that somethings catching.

 

[beattie17]

id check caliper carrier bolts 1st aswell. why you change from 10pots?

 

[cu51pra]

when i had my wilwoods they had some "special" washers, linished thinner, which were to be placed behind the bracket to hub to centralise the brkt... why they could'nt have simply machined the brkt right however

If its ticking, something is catching.... bolt on hub etc type thing.

bill i never fitted the washers when i fitted the wilwoods do you think i should and i think i got rid of em so do you know where i can get the right washers to fit

 

[TimD]

Well i've just been out to blow the cobwebs off, feel like cack atm, woman troubles

Got in and thourght i'd check the wheel bolts, one of them just spins round and round, it wont tighten, i'm not sure that, thats my problem but it certainly wont be helping matters.

This is the very last time i use these cow boys!

 

[TimD]

Well i've bitten the bullet, it's time to pull out my wallet properly.

It is booked into JBS for 4 wheel alignment and also for them to check over the brakes. I really thourght that such an easy job wouldn't need a trip all the way to chesterfield, i guess i was wrong.

The cowboys are going to "look" at why the wheel bolt isn't tightening, i'd imagine i'm going to need a new hub so i'm making provisions for that.

The last time i touched the wheel bolts they all tightend properly, i don't have a breaker bar or torque wrench, i tighten them up with a cross tool thingy. So i can't beleive for one second i am to blame for the apparent threaded hub. How the hell am i going to proove this is their mess and they need to sort it without charging me.

In all honesty i don't think it's going to happen, ARRGGH! Cars make me mad, Grrrr!

 

[andycupra]

so its the bolts holding the wheel on then? (or not holding it on?)

that would explain why its happening on full lock and when over 10-15 mph as more energy would be applied to the wheel.

id not want to wait for this to be looked at.

would those alloys have a ring inside them to sit on the hub correctly? if so check you dont have any missing or two on one side as this can mean that when the bolts are done up tight the alloy isnt against the hub.
cant rememeber what these rings are called.

 

[TimD]

Yes one of the bolts on the passenger side wheel..

If you think about it, as you turn a right hand corner, weight is transfered onto the left hand side which could explain why the noise is only apparent when taking a roundabout for example.

Speaking of hubs, as the Mk1/Mk2 Golf brakes fit, does this mean the hubs are the same as well?

Thanks

PS. The bolt is being looked at tomorrow morning.

 

[m0rk]

Mk1 Hubs aren't the same

90% sure that the mk2 hub is the same as the mk3 ibiza neesd though. (budget for a new bearing too)

sounds like they used air tools to do the wheel bolts up, so either ripped the thread when it was tight, or just wound it in loose.

 

[ibizacupra]

bill i never fitted the washers when i fitted the wilwoods do you think i should and i think i got rid of em so do you know where i can get the right washers to fit

the caliper wont be central thats all so on full pad wear one side will stick out further than the other.... they're only linished washers.
if you have been ok so far then prolly ok...