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what is it easy to tune a 2l 16v to?

WeeJase

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Jun 2, 2001
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why not save a load of hassle changng the engine.i had it on very good authority(RobT) that the worst thing about the 1.816v was the last 3 gear ratio's and the final drive.1st and 2nd are identical to the 20ltr's but has very long 3.4.5 gears and a different final drive.rob suggested just swapping the gearbox for one off a golf gti 16v,if changing the final drive was to be too expensive(complete strip and rebuild of box iirc).
have a search on here the info may still be about,appologies if this info is slightly inacurate,it was 3 years or more ago
 

RobT

Full throttle trip
Nov 30, 2001
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jason said:
why not save a load of hassle changng the engine.i had it on very good authority(RobT) that the worst thing about the 1.816v was the last 3 gear ratio's and the final drive.1st and 2nd are identical to the 20ltr's but has very long 3.4.5 gears and a different final drive.rob suggested just swapping the gearbox for one off a golf gti 16v,if changing the final drive was to be too expensive(complete strip and rebuild of box iirc).
have a search on here the info may still be about,appologies if this info is slightly inacurate,it was 3 years or more ago

yup he's remembered it....the 1.8 16V beeza has a shite collection of ratios (ADB box) - [CWP] 3.66, [1] 3.45, [2] 2.11, [3] 1.37, [4] 1.03, [5] 0.85.

The one to have is a mk2 golf 16V box (2Y code): 3.66, 3.45, 2.12, 1.44, 1.13, 0.91. This box when fitted with a 3.94 CWP will transform a 1.8 16V er, quicker everywhere. The box from a Mk2 golf 8V (4y, 9a, acd or azn) is almost as good as the 16V, same except final gear is 0.89 and input shaft is not as stgrong as a 16V.

Ave it

Dave
 

RobT

Full throttle trip
Nov 30, 2001
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Congleton
2L 16V can go to 300hp if you have the dough

180hp is more realistic for a road car - head, mild cams, new reprogreammable ecu or custom code on std ecu to remap, decent 2.25' exhaust, K+N filter in std airbox = 170-180hp.

Any more than this you will need mad cams (= not road drivable anymore) and/or throttle bodies (£2K).

Anything over 220hp will cost you £6K, anything over 250hp will be £10K+

8V's are not a patch on a 16V if you want to go fast - I know people who have spent over £4K on an 8V only to find they have no mor grunt than someone who has spenn £1-1.5K on a 2L 16Ver. And any 8V approaching 150hp starts to drive like a 16V anyhow.

Cheers

Rob
 

ibiza_95

1.8T MK2 Conversion
i think im going to go for the 2.0 16v just so i can say i have more bhp even if its not as useable as the 8v which i get the idea it isnt. ill be on the look out for a scrapped one now which is in as good tact as possible. i want to swap the brakes and everything so i figure buying a whole car is probably best :)
 

jase750

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Jan 3, 2003
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I had a mark II Golf GTi 16v. After i'd turned it into a 13v(Dont ask!) I put a passat 2.0 16v in
Porche fuel head off a 924, full Magnex system and manifold,Stage three head,and a few other bits and bobs.most if the stuff was second hand from Jim at awesome and got it up to 175 Bhp for the grand sum of £850.(not including the engine)
 

ibiza_95

1.8T MK2 Conversion
well, cos id be doing the change myself id rather be able to swap an engine pretty much directly from one to another, i dont know anything about golfs so whether a passat engine would go straight in or need modding i have no idea, but i want to be able to get it done and dusted within a week... hopefully maybe.... praying. then id be modding it from there on.

i cant afford to do loads of stuff to the engine before it goes in see, cos ill have to pay for the engine firstly. i intend to buy as full car as poss, sell all the bits i dont need and then take off what i want and then just scrap the rest.
 

Fl@pper

Back older greyer and less oilier but always hope
Jun 19, 2001
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personally i like my high revs and long gearing (17" wheels)

i find as most (acne chavs) cant read gti 16v embossed on the seat as i am still in line with em i get chance as they change for 3rd i simply push it past previous half throttle and say bye bye

had some fit bird last nite next to me giving it the broom broom in a 1.0 micra LMFAO

stayed level just smiling and no more then 3k rpm - and just blip _ GONE

next lights she pulled behind me - yes love it isnt a 1.0 saxo ;)

the hardest part is keeping me foot up to stay with em long enough to think they have a chance :funk: mind you that usually fades when w**r's in vectra v6's flick the bird as they pass - fine m8 - nice attitude - now you can stay out in that lane until im ready to let you in behind me - oooh revs - ye i got them too look - oooh ye look MORE? no ? no guts left next gear ? - 2wats - love teasing em
 
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WeeJase

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Jun 2, 2001
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RobT said:
yup he's remembered it....the 1.8 16V beeza has a shite collection of ratios (ADB box) - [CWP] 3.66, [1] 3.45, [2] 2.11, [3] 1.37, [4] 1.03, [5] 0.85.

The one to have is a mk2 golf 16V box (2Y code): 3.66, 3.45, 2.12, 1.44, 1.13, 0.91. This box when fitted with a 3.94 CWP will transform a 1.8 16V er, quicker everywhere. The box from a Mk2 golf 8V (4y, 9a, acd or azn) is almost as good as the 16V, same except final gear is 0.89 and input shaft is not as stgrong as a 16V.

Ave it

Dave
thought i'd got it half right,also remeber that the 200cc(give or take they both over power factory figs) isn't that big a deal.i've had both 1.8 an 2ltr 16v's ,1 in ibiza 1 in cordoba,the cordie was a little smoother to get to the required speed but not that much faster,but a hel of a lot better handling,different suspension and some arb's added here and there.
this (i beleive)is where you should put your moneybollocks to bhp figures,brakes and suspesnion is key for a road car,let rob and bill tell you what you need to spendKKK on for the rest
 

alimac81

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Nov 20, 2002
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You know the amount of money you would spend on an engine transplant and power hike, you could always (dare i say it :whistle: ) shove a super charger on the old 8v. Plenty of room in that engine bay for it and the 8v is a tough as old boots, plus you get the advantage of buckets of torque with the bhp.
 

greenmachine

HoK'd GreenMachine!
Sep 21, 2005
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I'm undergoing enquieries about a 1.8 20valve Turbo Cupra R conversion for mine or the 2.8 VR6 lump at the mo..

Only thing stopping me is I won't be able to drive it on the road - Insurance would be err.. alot for a 20 year old over here in Ireland.. :cry:

Anywho, if I did end up going for it, its a helluvalot of work but should pull over 350bhp with nitrous.. lot of work, lot of money, lot of time and patients.

Plus its a very scary thought of a lightweight fwd car shooting that much power though the front wheels.

You could get a set of H&R competition coilovers like I have on mine, there designed for the 1.4 but even if you went for a bigger engine, you could get higher poundage springs for them to aquire heavier frontal load.

I paid 1,300 euro for my coilovers and they are sexual on the bends! no bounce in the car what so ever.. solid

As for brakes, oh aye you need good stoppers like, I 'll be getting VR6 callipers and drilled/grooved disks (for the VR6) with EBC race pads.

The VR6 jobbies should go on easy enough* ;) an idea for ya..
 
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ACH

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Mar 7, 2005
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Sounds scary but more importantly just think of the grin on your face ;) And the things you could suprise on the road :D

I've passengered in a mk3 (IHI) that has 320bhp at the wheels.........was good fun. Afterwards going rather quickly in my own car seemed nothing compared to what that was like off the clock. His name escapes me ;) and so does the location of the private road ;)

I'm gonna have a serious think about my 2L8V now as i'd love some more power but i'm not sure where I want to go with this car (I don;t so much get bored of my cars more I just fancy a change for the sake of it lol ).
 

ibiza_95

1.8T MK2 Conversion
would you be doing it yourself?
i think the 20vt would be too expensive for me to buy initially cos its a pretty new engine which is what is putting me off that slightly. im going to have a word with my local seat audi scrappers and see what sort of price im looking at for the 20vt and the 2l 16v. i know i could do the 16v myself but i have no idea about the 20vt, mountings, even what car its from and year to go to the extreme so i dont think it could be feasable. im only 19 also, so its going to be equally as hard to even get insured, never mind at a reasonable price.
i think ill do a bit more research into the engines and see what i can come up with.

my advice would be tho not to transpalnt a vr6 into it. 2.8/2.9 and its very very hard to tune 'apparently' this is what ive been told. and the engine to buy would be expensive cos its from a golf and what have you, and being a desirable engine.

finished thanks
 

greenmachine

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Sep 21, 2005
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ibiza_95 said:
would you be doing it yourself?
i think the 20vt would be too expensive for me to buy initially cos its a pretty new engine which is what is putting me off that slightly. im going to have a word with my local seat audi scrappers and see what sort of price im looking at for the 20vt and the 2l 16v. i know i could do the 16v myself but i have no idea about the 20vt, mountings, even what car its from and year to go to the extreme so i dont think it could be feasable. im only 19 also, so its going to be equally as hard to even get insured, never mind at a reasonable price.
i think ill do a bit more research into the engines and see what i can come up with.

my advice would be tho not to transpalnt a vr6 into it. 2.8/2.9 and its very very hard to tune 'apparently' this is what ive been told. and the engine to buy would be expensive cos its from a golf and what have you, and being a desirable engine.

finished thanks

Would'nt be doing it entirly myself... I'd be mad. Doubt me and the mad scentist would go ahead outselves doing the 20vT but we woud end up doing the 2.8 VR6 which is alot easier as far as im aware... Still into reseaecrhing it more.. the 20vT is an expensive engine alright.. if you find a crashed one from behind your laughing!

the 2.8 isn't as tunable as the 20vT, but you can turbo it, and get headwork, skimming/boring it, uprated pistons and gasket, throw in 100bhp direct port nitrous system, full stainess steel cat-back, DCS 4 branch, FMIC, Dastek unichip, twin induction kit for maximum flow.

Your talking a very nice setup there.. Kinda costly though.. could keep the price down for fittng the engine and basics yourself ..

get it re-built by some VW bods first, you fit it, take it back to the VW bods, get them to finish it off, turbo fitting/chipping, mapping, etc..

Would be nice to pull up in a nicely kitted ibiza and lifting the bonnet to find a big shiny chromed VR6 Biatch living under there...
 

frank_grimes

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I guy in south australia has done a supercharger on an 8v engine. He uses the car for hill climes and track days, he wanted mass amounts of torque with out the extra weight of the VR6 engine.

To save money he used a toyota supercharge from a 2ltr 6 cyclinder very cheap from a wrecker, had a mount made by and engineering company and used a haltech engine managment system.
 

psi999

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45SET said:
i have raced a cupra (funnly it had the same mods as me, same 17's with same tyres, 2 people, sounds system and cat back zorst) and he didn't start pulling away till top end of 2nd.

Is that right :p
 

Grayboy

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Jan 31, 2005
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psi999 said:
Is that right :p

Not in my experience, but this is the point it's more down to the Driver, the launch, the set up of the car.

There used to be 3 of us with beeza's 2 16V's & 1 8v.

My 16 & the 8 were std cars, the other 16v chip, exhaust, filter & de-cat rr'd 169.4bhp @ 6800rpm.

We got acces to an airfield and did some tests to stop a few ongoing arguments we did 10 runs in our own cars I'd always get a nose in front of the modded 16 and way over a car length over the 8.

We then did the same each driving the other 2 cars I got in the 8 there was no more than the length of the wing between me and the modded 16.
Then with me in the modded 16 there was about a meter between me and the front bumper of my std 16 and then the same sort of gap between it and the 8v.

You can have the most powerful car at the lights but if you don't know how to get that power to the road effectively you ain't gonna win.

172's are mean't to be quicker off the lights but alot never get away from me & there's a CTR that I drive mad on regular occasion (19yr old driver very twisty road) on my favorite road.

As mentioned earlier in the thread the key to a quick car is it's Chassis, good Suspension Brakes and Tyres are worth much more than an extra 20-30BHP sometimes more.

Sorry this thread this sounds like big up the G man i'm not! I'm trying to convey a point via my own experiences, what people forget is that car goes no-where without a driver and the drivers abilities release the potential performance of any given car.

Anyway back to the point a 16v all the way with a decent clutch, gearbox & engine mounts, quickshift, 16's on good tyres & a well set up chassis & with a bit of practice you'll be rocketing away, then get on to the tuning as you can afford it.
 
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45SET

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Aug 21, 2004
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psi999 said:
Is that right :p

what are you doing here.... planning on getting another Cupra?? (the ET not good enough :p)

frank grimes said:
I guy in south australia has done a supercharger on an 8v engine. He uses the car for hill climes and track days, he wanted mass amounts of torque with out the extra weight of the VR6 engine.

i was just wondeirng if you have any more info on this car... like power figures and engine shots... as i could get access to the said SC (about 150$ AUS) and i know a few metal type workers... and what type (code no's) the haltek is.... this is ofcourse if you no the info... or have any contacts to the person... as i'm thinking of taking this path.... after the body work.
 

psi999

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45SET said:
what are you doing here.... planning on getting another Cupra?? (the ET not good enough :p)

Funny you should say that, check my other thread in this section :D
 
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