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VW TDi Emissions software scandal
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My concern is the overall blowback from this situation.
The group is already taking a massive hit financially with its share price tanking, and the long term legal implications in US alone will be painful let alone should it end up paying some price in Europe. The biggest concern is the damage to the reputation of the group and its brands.
Despite SEAT in recent years making firm strides in turning its fortunes around, the new Leon certainly now leading that resurgence. It can still be seen as a loss making brand to the overall group, and only a few years ago there was talk of VW offloading SEAT or even closing it down.
As VAG starts to take a financial kicking from this, it could end up damaging if not destroying some of its satellite brands in an attempt to save itself from ruin.
I hope that is not the case and VAG can weather this storm, but I am just highlighting that the resulting repercussions could stretch far and wide for many years to come.
The group is already taking a massive hit financially with its share price tanking, and the long term legal implications in US alone will be painful let alone should it end up paying some price in Europe. The biggest concern is the damage to the reputation of the group and its brands.
Despite SEAT in recent years making firm strides in turning its fortunes around, the new Leon certainly now leading that resurgence. It can still be seen as a loss making brand to the overall group, and only a few years ago there was talk of VW offloading SEAT or even closing it down.
As VAG starts to take a financial kicking from this, it could end up damaging if not destroying some of its satellite brands in an attempt to save itself from ruin.
I hope that is not the case and VAG can weather this storm, but I am just highlighting that the resulting repercussions could stretch far and wide for many years to come.
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Anything that is going to improve health of humans isn't going to be environmentally friendly
The more of us that die off the better as far as "the environment " is concerned.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...port/11883357/vw-scandal-petrol-car-risk.html
may not be limited to diesels apparently
may not be limited to diesels apparently
Anything that is going to improve health of humans isn't going to be environmentally friendly
The more of us that die off the better as far as "the environment " is concerned.
Couldn't agree more.
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some good comments, i am too concerned about the bigger long term consequence.
One of the issues for me is that the VAG group almost has too many groups fighting over relatively similar ground.
Audi, VW, Seat, Skoda there is not enough of a differential between them, any group that does well, or not so well has a potential inpact onto the others.
for example, i have put the makes in order of prestige as i see it, but i am aware that many people would put skoda ahead of seat. and in some respects thats the issue with seat, its lack of identity.
Audi - brand name
VW name and reputation
Skoda - good value
Seat.. it cant push the good value too much to not upseet skoda, prestige wise its not going to win over VW/audi, but there is little point in doing so anyway. ( think there were rumblings over early cupras overlapping audi before seat went 'sporty'.
So its the sporty brand?
so, lets say the group shrinks due to fallnig sales and costs incured, which brand do you drop or save money on..
However i still suspect this is an indiustry wide problem, but with VW being perhaps more blatent in what they have done, the US will go after the group significantly.
Regards petrol being effected, i recently left work in the evironmental technology sector, - latest/upcoming EURO legislation mean that some of the technology used to control diesl emissions is needed for larger petrol engines.
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These issues go back quite a long way.
http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpres...93e9e651adeed6b7852566a60069ad2e?OpenDocument
http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpres...93e9e651adeed6b7852566a60069ad2e?OpenDocument
Group boss - Winterkorn has fallen on his sword - http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/info_center/en/news/2015/09/VW_ad_hoc_Erklaerung.html
With a nice wedge in his pocket as well I bet
It was always going to happen I guess. What I don't understand is he had no idea it was happening so who at the top level would have 'signed' this off?
Anything that is going to improve health of humans isn't going to be environmentally friendly
The more of us that die off the better as far as "the environment " is concerned.
I agree as well. The global warming,tree hugging, soap avoiders won't rest until we all live in mud huts and use horse's and carts again.
We should stick them all in a room together, and if they don't die from the smell of each others filthy unwashed bodies, then we should gas them with engine fumes instead (petrol or diesel, i'm easy)
It's a win-win for the germans then ... the diesel-gate scandal would be forgotten and we all know how much they like to build a gas chamber or two.
sorry, i couldn't resist 
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It may actually be good for you.
Should they need to de-rate the car for power or increase the claimed emissions - you should have the right to demand they buy the car back off you on the basis of "NOT AS ADVERTISED"
That would be the way I will go if there is any hint of changing the spec of my car to make it worse than what I bought.
This could actually be the start of change which would be a good thing for the car industry as a whole.
For years we have had to put up with fuel economy data on highly dubious tests, whose results differ wildly from the MPG return we actually see when the car is driven on the road. If this scandal leads to an overall tightening up of the tests manufacturers do to prove fuel economy and emissions data then that can only benefit consumers, as we'll all be able to make more informed choices when considering what car to buy.
For the posters mentioning of banning diesel vehicles, well we only have to look at the European wide legislation concerning inner city air quality and the drive to improve this, I believe there is an aim to cut air pollution drastically by 2020, this is why we have the drive to produce ever cleaner petrol & diesel cars. EURO 6 is now in, but it won't be long before we have EURO 7 compliant.
However, all this pales into insignificance.
Why?, because the ultimate aim of the large metropolitan borough councils all across this country, serving the major cities is to have a London style congestion charge, that will, effectively, either ban fossil fuel powered cars altogether, or make it prohibitively expensive to take your fossil fuel powered car into the city centre. So you'll be taxed out of your Diesel car soon enough!
Driving your car to work, if you live in a large city, will, ultimately become a thing of the past fairly soon, unless you 'go green' with an electric/ZERO emissions vehicle.
For years we have had to put up with fuel economy data on highly dubious tests, whose results differ wildly from the MPG return we actually see when the car is driven on the road. If this scandal leads to an overall tightening up of the tests manufacturers do to prove fuel economy and emissions data then that can only benefit consumers, as we'll all be able to make more informed choices when considering what car to buy.
For the posters mentioning of banning diesel vehicles, well we only have to look at the European wide legislation concerning inner city air quality and the drive to improve this, I believe there is an aim to cut air pollution drastically by 2020, this is why we have the drive to produce ever cleaner petrol & diesel cars. EURO 6 is now in, but it won't be long before we have EURO 7 compliant.
However, all this pales into insignificance.
Why?, because the ultimate aim of the large metropolitan borough councils all across this country, serving the major cities is to have a London style congestion charge, that will, effectively, either ban fossil fuel powered cars altogether, or make it prohibitively expensive to take your fossil fuel powered car into the city centre. So you'll be taxed out of your Diesel car soon enough!
Driving your car to work, if you live in a large city, will, ultimately become a thing of the past fairly soon, unless you 'go green' with an electric/ZERO emissions vehicle.
Providing the improvements in alternative transport match or exceed the obsession to ban cars in cities I am OK with the above.
BUT as we are all aware - this country specialises in charging everyone long before any sort of improvements are even approved.
Absolutely it will
Maybe not on new prices though.... they will be sold with amended figures.
I agree as well. The global warming,tree hugging, soap avoiders won't rest until we all live in mud huts and use horse's and carts again.
We should stick them all in a room together, and if they don't die from the smell of each others filthy unwashed bodies, then we should gas them with engine fumes instead (petrol or diesel, i'm easy)
It's a win-win for the germans then ... the diesel-gate scandal would be forgotten and we all know how much they like to build a gas chamber or two.
LOL
Take a look at the BMW 6 Cylinder Diesel - what's not to like.
None whatsoever - most people don't even know SEAT has anything to do with VW. Even here in Spain many still think it's a FIAT.
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Of course mate, I agree.
I can go off my own observations, in 2008, we in Manchester had a choice that was put to us by Manchester council. either;
A. Vote 'Yes' to the imposition of a congestion charge on the principle that the money raised would be used to pay for the Metrolink 'big bang' expansion, or
B Vote 'No' to the charge - if we voted No, then there would be NO further investment in Metrolink
What did us Mancs do? - we voted no, by an overwhelming majority.
What did the council do - they went ahead with the Metrolink expansion anyway, despite the No vote. We've had the East Manchester line to Ashton Under Lyne completed, there is now a line to Manchester Airport, & they're just finishing off the new cross city centre link to name a few expanded metrolink lines.
A lot of the new 'spoke' lines running from the outer lying areas into the city centre have park & ride schemes, there is now talk of a Metrolink Orbital route, that'll connect the boroughs of Greater Manchester together
We've also seen a lot of Electric car charging points installed. There are several on street charging points within a 5 min walk of where I work.
All this investment will, ultimately, have to be paid back one way or another & a congestion charge will be one of the ways they do it.
Other councils will be following suit soon enough with similar plans.
But that's a whole other thread
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