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That ECU was nothing to do with me.
Mork, you do talk a lot of sense on these forums, so please don't relate some terrible soldering to what I do (whether you meant to or not it has come across this way). I work hard to build up my reputation - I wouldn't come on this forum and say how and how bad you do your job.
I remap the ECU's, why is this still being asked ?
I don't dispute the fact that I'm not wearing a white coat and not baking the chips for 48 hours etc. I'll bet a guy who repairs ECU's/TV's/Videos doesn't either. I did electonics at university (which counts for jack I know) but also worked in production environments so know where you are coming from, but seriously you are creating a 'scare' when there is no need.
If you want me to talk about sh1te soldering jobs then I could and they weren't done by me, nobody but the owners of the cars in question and me know who did them. From what I saw they were definately NOT done by somebody who knows the first thing about soldering.
There is plenty of choice and info for people to make their decisions, please though make sure the info you read is factually correct.
Simon.
Ant FR - Sorry to hear about your problems - I wished you had asked me to take a look.
Mik - Thanks for the support, your ECU's still hanging in there right ?
Mork, you do talk a lot of sense on these forums, so please don't relate some terrible soldering to what I do (whether you meant to or not it has come across this way). I work hard to build up my reputation - I wouldn't come on this forum and say how and how bad you do your job.
I remap the ECU's, why is this still being asked ?
I don't dispute the fact that I'm not wearing a white coat and not baking the chips for 48 hours etc. I'll bet a guy who repairs ECU's/TV's/Videos doesn't either. I did electonics at university (which counts for jack I know) but also worked in production environments so know where you are coming from, but seriously you are creating a 'scare' when there is no need.
If you want me to talk about sh1te soldering jobs then I could and they weren't done by me, nobody but the owners of the cars in question and me know who did them. From what I saw they were definately NOT done by somebody who knows the first thing about soldering.
There is plenty of choice and info for people to make their decisions, please though make sure the info you read is factually correct.
Simon.
Ant FR - Sorry to hear about your problems - I wished you had asked me to take a look.
Mik - Thanks for the support, your ECU's still hanging in there right ?
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OK - even though your posting is against our rules (see FAQ & commercial posting)
I'll play devils advocate - send me a sample ECU of yours & I'll stick it under the scope & get some pics?
I never said or implied it was your work (it's not) but just pointing out that it cannot be reflowed as well as you expect.
TV's rarely cost £17k - so it's not a fair comparison really. dead ECU = no car, so it's not all about the £740 replacement cost.
if you really want an arguement, take it off the forum & email me direct.
I'll play devils advocate - send me a sample ECU of yours & I'll stick it under the scope & get some pics?
I never said or implied it was your work (it's not) but just pointing out that it cannot be reflowed as well as you expect.
TV's rarely cost £17k - so it's not a fair comparison really. dead ECU = no car, so it's not all about the £740 replacement cost.
if you really want an arguement, take it off the forum & email me direct.
Come on M0rk... Give the guy a break.
I understand the commercial posting rules, but all he is doing is defending himself, not actually promoting his wares.
I can't see how he can just send you some sample ECU's.
I have heard nothing but good feedback about Simon. Which is why I decided to go with Upsolute myself.
Simon was a nice professional guy, who did a fast job and didn't lift my bonnet once. I would recommend him to anyone.
I understand the commercial posting rules, but all he is doing is defending himself, not actually promoting his wares.
I can't see how he can just send you some sample ECU's.
I have heard nothing but good feedback about Simon. Which is why I decided to go with Upsolute myself.
Simon was a nice professional guy, who did a fast job and didn't lift my bonnet once. I would recommend him to anyone.
I was offering him a chance to get his story across.
No matter. but since Simon doesn't speak for all chip replacements my arguement still stands.
No matter. but since Simon doesn't speak for all chip replacements my arguement still stands.
Oh .... I get youm0rk said:
I don't think I would want someone physically replacing my ECU... I know as much damage can be down down a serial port (4 years computing degree taught me "something")
But sometimes I suppose it has to be done. Not understanding where the soldering come in though, do they not just clip in & out?
(Yup, I have NO knowledge on the subject. Which is why I sould probably keep out of this
)
crudely speaking...
you have to melt the solder from the solid state to liquid on each of the legs (preferably simultaneously) I think they're 44pin devices.
you don't want to overheat them, or the poor quality PCB will melt & lift a track (see my pics)
you then need to clean the PCB, and any surplus solder before placing the programmed part
where you need to heat the leg/pad & introduce solder & flux to make a successful connection.
again - ideally you would want to do this all at the same time to avoid stressing any of the joints - but this isn't feasible at this level.
The other problem which I know one so called 'expert' tuner in the UK uses commercial parts - only proven to work over a 0-70C temperature range (although they may work overwider) rather than the original Industrial spec parts which work -40 to +85
you have to melt the solder from the solid state to liquid on each of the legs (preferably simultaneously) I think they're 44pin devices.
you don't want to overheat them, or the poor quality PCB will melt & lift a track (see my pics)
you then need to clean the PCB, and any surplus solder before placing the programmed part
where you need to heat the leg/pad & introduce solder & flux to make a successful connection.
again - ideally you would want to do this all at the same time to avoid stressing any of the joints - but this isn't feasible at this level.
The other problem which I know one so called 'expert' tuner in the UK uses commercial parts - only proven to work over a 0-70C temperature range (although they may work overwider) rather than the original Industrial spec parts which work -40 to +85
Cheers for the lesson
So they are just like a standard EPROM then, but soldered on like a motherboard.
I used to write the software for an auto-roulette system which used EPROMS, they had a special tool which solderd and removed 52pin chips (iirc) Soulds the trade use something like that?
I assumend ("Assumption is the mother of all fcuk-ups") that you could just clunk-clip remove them, like on other cars. I "chipped" a friends BMW once, VERY dangerous, we got the chip in a Jiffy bag in the post from a guy on e-bay (no antistatic or anything!) opened his ecu, undid the clips, the chip popped out and we put the new one in.... and it only bloomin worked!
Ba5tard spanish, soldering in chips
So they are just like a standard EPROM then, but soldered on like a motherboard.
I used to write the software for an auto-roulette system which used EPROMS, they had a special tool which solderd and removed 52pin chips (iirc) Soulds the trade use something like that?
I assumend ("Assumption is the mother of all fcuk-ups") that you could just clunk-clip remove them, like on other cars. I "chipped" a friends BMW once, VERY dangerous, we got the chip in a Jiffy bag in the post from a guy on e-bay (no antistatic or anything!) opened his ecu, undid the clips, the chip popped out and we put the new one in.... and it only bloomin worked!
Ba5tard spanish, soldering in chips
UPsolute
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Mork - sorry if it's against your rules. Just thought a man could defend himself when someone he doesn't know, whether intentional or not posts something that could be damaging to business.
Feel free to email me, I guess you know my email address. I certainly don't want an argument and definately not on the forum. If you do I can if you wish tell you who did the really bad soldering I have seen but I certainly wont put it in the public domain because that's not what I do. You may or may not be surprised.
For what it's worth, I used to work for a defence company a few years ago. I was mainly a designer but did also have to test the circuits, these were sub contracted out to a specialist electronics assembler. Well, the amount that came back not working because of various reasons was incredible - often because they had the wrong component installed - same footprint wrong device (clearly a genious would just pick out a part that looked the same and away they go !!!
These were desoldered by 'us', mainly the guys employed on site to carry out 'repairs' etc. No baking etc was done, this was done at an antistatic bench with a white coat - often undone with regular clothes and shoes on (not against any rules), this would then be used. Whether these were given the 25 years certification I do not know, but hey they worked and were pulling G's that would kill a human in an instant in far greater temp extremes than a car works in.
I understand your point but think you are taking it to the extreme somewhat.
Can we drop the solder talk now if at all possible.
Simon.
Feel free to email me, I guess you know my email address. I certainly don't want an argument and definately not on the forum. If you do I can if you wish tell you who did the really bad soldering I have seen but I certainly wont put it in the public domain because that's not what I do. You may or may not be surprised.
For what it's worth, I used to work for a defence company a few years ago. I was mainly a designer but did also have to test the circuits, these were sub contracted out to a specialist electronics assembler. Well, the amount that came back not working because of various reasons was incredible - often because they had the wrong component installed - same footprint wrong device (clearly a genious would just pick out a part that looked the same and away they go !!!
These were desoldered by 'us', mainly the guys employed on site to carry out 'repairs' etc. No baking etc was done, this was done at an antistatic bench with a white coat - often undone with regular clothes and shoes on (not against any rules), this would then be used. Whether these were given the 25 years certification I do not know, but hey they worked and were pulling G's that would kill a human in an instant in far greater temp extremes than a car works in.
I understand your point but think you are taking it to the extreme somewhat.
Can we drop the solder talk now if at all possible.
Simon.
Bottom line is the pictures shown ARE NOT anything to do with Simon or CCCTech, I'm sure that if a similar post passed incorrect assumptions about any other tuner that is registered on here, they would quite rightly post a reply in their defence, it's only natural.
So I am right in my posting that Upsolute chip replacement has it's pitfalls because CCC isn't the only upsolute dealer known to man......
I still think that you should OBDII upload the file, since the technology is there.
Sounds like you have a similar background to the company that I currently work for Simon (our paths have crossed in 'real' life as well, but you just don't remember!)
Unfortunatly Rob, natural or not, this isn't the tuners BB, so they have no 'right's
I still think that you should OBDII upload the file, since the technology is there.
Sounds like you have a similar background to the company that I currently work for Simon (our paths have crossed in 'real' life as well, but you just don't remember!)
Unfortunatly Rob, natural or not, this isn't the tuners BB, so they have no 'right's
UPsolute
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"I still think that you should OBDII upload the file, since the technology is there."
I do - Have you not heard me ?
How would I flash OTP memory btw - you sound like you know a way ?!
I don't remember you because you are incognito behind the name m0rk, tell me your name and where you worked and how I could possible have upset whilst you're at it ! I could take a guess but that's all it would be.
"So I am right in my posting that Upsolute chip replacement has it's pitfalls because CCC isn't the only upsolute dealer known to man......"
what is that supposed to mean then ? people have choices, we all do. I once bought some Walkers crisps, they were sold to me out of date - Do I blame Walkers or the shop where I bought them........................................
I do - Have you not heard me ?
How would I flash OTP memory btw - you sound like you know a way ?!
I don't remember you because you are incognito behind the name m0rk, tell me your name and where you worked and how I could possible have upset whilst you're at it ! I could take a guess but that's all it would be.
"So I am right in my posting that Upsolute chip replacement has it's pitfalls because CCC isn't the only upsolute dealer known to man......"
what is that supposed to mean then ? people have choices, we all do. I once bought some Walkers crisps, they were sold to me out of date - Do I blame Walkers or the shop where I bought them........................................
can we just get it back on topic
the guy was asking what the pros and cons of upsoloute were.
looks like upsoloute is now uploaded the same as other tuners dependsent on car. so the only con seems to be the argument of the upsoloute map not extracting out all possible power. but they ma be a good thing if you want a subtle performance increase and no silly power gains. any thought son this??
the guy was asking what the pros and cons of upsoloute were.
looks like upsoloute is now uploaded the same as other tuners dependsent on car. so the only con seems to be the argument of the upsoloute map not extracting out all possible power. but they ma be a good thing if you want a subtle performance increase and no silly power gains. any thought son this??
I see the "less" power as a pro, rather than a con ... as it means less chance of needing a new clutch...Ant FR said:
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Jeez, where did all these customers come from ? I thought your cars would have all broken by now.................
For the record, I have two Leons, a 110TDi and a AUQ 1.8T. Anyone who has the same and wants to try what they are like then they can. I've got nothing to hide and never have had.
Plenty of info that's been covered a million times on this forum about chip tuning (remapping whatever), more than enough to do your research. Please though seperate the fact from the fiction and if in doubt ask the person (tuner or whatever) directly rather than relying on the 'knowledge' of others who may or may not know the facts.
This forum is one of the best around for help and info but the power of the net does sometimes have its downsides.
But hell, am I complaining ? I love some Friday afternoon banter
For the record, I have two Leons, a 110TDi and a AUQ 1.8T. Anyone who has the same and wants to try what they are like then they can. I've got nothing to hide and never have had.
Plenty of info that's been covered a million times on this forum about chip tuning (remapping whatever), more than enough to do your research. Please though seperate the fact from the fiction and if in doubt ask the person (tuner or whatever) directly rather than relying on the 'knowledge' of others who may or may not know the facts.
This forum is one of the best around for help and info but the power of the net does sometimes have its downsides.
But hell, am I complaining ? I love some Friday afternoon banter
I had problems due to soldering ( not upsolute) but by a very reputable company...
After it was done 3 weeks later my car kept intermittently breaking down until it eventually stopped altogether.
I opened up the ecu, its a pity i didnt take a picture. the one in the picture above is perfection to what i found!
anyway i got me soldering iron out at 1 am one night and put loads of solder on each leg, i can tell you it wont come loose again..
After it was done 3 weeks later my car kept intermittently breaking down until it eventually stopped altogether.
I opened up the ecu, its a pity i didnt take a picture. the one in the picture above is perfection to what i found!
anyway i got me soldering iron out at 1 am one night and put loads of solder on each leg, i can tell you it wont come loose again..
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