turbo loud whistling

klf2007

Guest
hi everyone - i hope you can help

basically my engine/turbo (TDI 170 FR) is making a noise like a 'police siren' whiring up and down as the revs go on and off. it hasnt done this before and its embrassingly loud.

1. is it serious like its due to blow up?
2. or could it be some piping issue?
3. Will i need to take it to the dealer or could some independant look at it?

ive only got 53,000 on the clock.

anyone had this before or know whats up?

Thanks.
 

klf2007

Guest
its only started this morn. knew it didnt sound good. hoping it could be a simple fix.

i'll take it in tonight after work.

cheers dave.c
 

Deleted member 53697

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are you down on power? if so it could be blown...
 

thermalp4

Full Member
Nov 1, 2004
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South Wales
Very common on the 170 engines. Initial thoughts would be yes the turbo is on it's way out but it's happened to cars with less than 10k on the clock.

My mate's Octavia VRs has always done it since he bought it from 50k miles and he's now on 80k miles. No power loss at all.

It is a sign of turbo wear but not always a sign of failure.

You can pick up recon units for around £200 if worse comes to worse.
 
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Big_Mikey_G

Active Member
Jul 30, 2009
146
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Birmingham
From my own experience:

Whining sound is down to excessive play in the bearings on the turbo impella. Happened on my PD 140 after 3.5 years and 65,000 miles. Its extremely unlikely to be a hole in a pipe or somesuch as turbos need to be entirely sealed units to function and if you had a hose blowing, you'd have zero power remaining.

I diagnosed the same problem on mine in June 2009.

Gradual decline in power to about 70% of what it should have been - dont really notice as it happens so slowly.

In May 2009, i was coming off an island, powering out of the turn in 3rd and POP!

Turbo popped, impella sheared and drew oil into the engine, cue large amounts of black smoke.

Recovered to independant garage.

Sourced recondtioned turbo from turbo technics: £500 + vat (new from Seat is £1300)

Fitting at local Garage: 200 + Vat inc new gaskets and seals.

Total Cost: £822.50

Did a lot of research on this over the cause of the year that it took my turbo to blow. No one can really repair the bearings on the turbo, as the units have to be balanced and there are very few places with the equipment and expertise to do this. Turbo Technics are one of them, but they'd rather swap out the turbo.

There is no set time line on how long it will now take the turbo to pop once you are hearing the wine from worn bearings. I have heard storied of anywhere from 2-3 months to over a year.

Change your turbo before it pops. When mine went (i didnt change it because i was considering selling the car) it drew most of the oil thru my engine in just a few seconds! The sump was almost dry so i was incredibly lucky not to sieze the engine!

Additionally, the entire exhaust system was literally flooded with oil. When the turbo was changed, the garage had to leave the car idling for THREE hours to burn off this oil in the exhaust system. Again i was extremely luck not to have to need a new CAT or exhasut due to oil damage.
 

klf2007

Guest
i havn't tried the engine over 3000rpm just incase it went pop (though it doesn't feel down on power).

my mate owns his own garage so i'll give him a look first tonight.

the thought of finding a grand or more makes me feel sick. it's outta warranty aswell.

if i can catch it early that might help.

thanks to you who replied.
 

milesyboy1

Newbie
Jun 29, 2006
58
1
St.Helens
My last Altea had a brand new turbo fitted by Seat when I bought it (had the receipt to prove it) and it had this noise from new .... can't figure that out. Drove it for 15k miles over 18 months and never had a problem.
 

klf2007

Guest
mine was just a normal whiring (typical of a turbo) then its got much louder (like couldn't miss it). my mate reckons its a common fault cos he fixed an altea with the same fault lately.

trying to source a re-con turbo now as ive been told to replace it sooner rather than later.
 

WeeG

Active Member
Nov 5, 2008
3,407
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Largs , Ayrshire
I have the police siren noise as well, had it now for about 5-6k, no power loss and happen between 1500-1900rpm, had turbo checked twice, and zero play in earings, apparantly a common thing and can happen when a turbo starts to bed in my car is on 15.5k had since 9k.
 

klf2007

Guest
now im confused.

SEAT recogn this 'police siren noise' can just happen and its just a cosmetic noise. SEAT told me just to make sure i was using the correct oil. the guy on the phone said that new cars can sound like that and its just one off those things. he said that id expect powerloss before a bang.

However and independent garage reckons its on its way out?

who do i believe?
 

Big_Mikey_G

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Jul 30, 2009
146
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Birmingham
All i can say, is that when i first got my car, you couldnt really hear the turbo. Occasionally if i was booting it, then you'd hear it spool up, but only with the stereo off and the windows open.

When i first took my car to an independant to check out the turbo, it was because it was making a noise like a police siren. I could here it inside the cabin, with the windows closed, over the sound of the engine and ther stereo. It just started all of a sudden - one day it was fine, the next - loud whining sound.

There was no way i was going to let anyone tell me it was normal. Machines operating correctly just dont sound like that without a seriouis design flaw!

In your case, im not sure what to tell you since i havent heard it - but i know of a couple of cases where the garage has sent people away saying "its nothing" - because they dont want to have to pay out for the new turbo under warranty....
 
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Scotty2hotty

The futures bright...
Mar 30, 2010
366
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Newcastle
Mine suddenly got louder around 5 months ago, but has not lost any power or economy. The famous owl noise is very prevelant in the 2.0l 140pd due to the fact that the turbo sits right in front of the cabin/bulkhead. Its proximity makes it sound louder than other vag turbos in the family.

My Dad owns a 56 plate MG ZT-T with a 2.0l turbo unit, his turbo makes the owl noise, yet it is situated away from the bulkhead to the right so is not as prevelant, but you can definately hear it around the same rev range (1500 to 2000rpm). My work colleage own a 52 plate VW passat with the 1.9l turbo unit (130pd). His turbo also makes the owl noise, less prevelant as it is situated towards the front of the engine bay, but also clearly audible within the same rev range as the Leon and the MG.

Turbos will fail, some fail without any notice, after no noticeable owl noise. Some on cars with only several thousand miles on the clock, some with over 100k. Turbos can fail on unmodded cars, some fail on heavily remapped units. As with any moving part you will have a limited lifespan. I feel that the standard turbos may not be the best you can find on the market, but anything less than extreme siren noise audible from outside the car, or a sudden loss in power should worry you.

Saying that if there was ever a reason to sell my car, it would be the turbo owl noise :doh:
 

GrahamFR

Now AMG Powered
Dec 10, 2008
4,235
6
Barnsley or Burton
mines does this everyday ive had it when its cold or just started, i think it sounds great tbh, and ive got 86K on the clock so dont overly panic about it :D
 

WeeG

Active Member
Nov 5, 2008
3,407
4
Largs , Ayrshire
Mine isn't very loud but with, the radio off and in quiet roads you can hear it in first and 2nd when your gently on accelaration between 1500 and 1900 rpm, but you can't hear it outside. If with the window donw it seems to happen exactly in conjunction with the early spool up of the turbo after stage 2 tuning. But as said has been checked and is fine over 6k on. I have heard of people getting this from new.
 

Big_Mikey_G

Active Member
Jul 30, 2009
146
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Birmingham
Mine was making the sound entirely across the ref range, getting louder with more revs, reaching a peak about 3.5K

The more revs the louder the whine which seems to be a telling factor of worn bearings.
 

Scotty2hotty

The futures bright...
Mar 30, 2010
366
0
Newcastle
My owl noise is now starting to really irritate me, its definately alot louder than it was when I first bought the car. It now extends well beyond the 1500 to 2000 rpm mark...and goes beyond...Its there all the time now, every gear. I think my bearings are on the way out. :(
 
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