Transmission Whine?

shauny_mac

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Hi Guys,

Relatively new to the site so hope this is in the right section? Took delivery of my leon fr+ on Tuesday and I love it to bits! Just wondering though, There is a slight whining noise coming from the gearbox (I think) at low speeds and when in gear but not accelerating. Is this type of noise normal? your help would be greatly appreciated.

Shaun
 

karlosR

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get underneath and checked the drainage plug. my gearbox was whining a lot and after looking at it the bolt was only a few turns from falling out. i got that sorted and more oil put in the gearbox but the damage had been done as everything had got hot inside and turned brittle so i had to replace my gearbox. also check the CV joints don't need more grease putting in them.
 

Omega1

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Gear whine is a common issue, the worst whine you may find is at +/- 50mph in 5th or 6th, lower speeds anyway, this is normal, there is a correction but you would need a specially tuned damper or mass to absorb the whine you are hearing.
I work for an R&D Car Manufacturer and sometimes work on these issues, I spoke to Seat about this and although they acknowledge there is a whine I am told it is a charectistic of the box. More like it costs money put right, I would be interested in knowing whether the same box in an Audi does the same or whether it has a mass countermeasure as it is known.
Most times the answer is to attach a mass above the gearbox mounting area but you got to know what the frequency is of the whine, that needs measuring equipment.

In the case as someone suggests above the gearbox drain plug being found loose, well that is a Seat Warranty issue, If the plug is correctly torqued then that bolt ain't going to undo itself no way
Hope this helps, BTW if the noise is ear piercing then I would suggest you may have a greater issue.
 

Stu_pot

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Gear whine is a common issue, the worst whine you may find is at +/- 50mph in 5th or 6th, lower speeds anyway, this is normal, there is a correction but you would need a specially tuned damper or mass to absorb the whine you are hearing.
I work for an R&D Car Manufacturer and sometimes work on these issues, I spoke to Seat about this and although they acknowledge there is a whine I am told it is a charectistic of the box. More like it costs money put right, I would be interested in knowing whether the same box in an Audi does the same or whether it has a mass countermeasure as it is known.
Most times the answer is to attach a mass above the gearbox mounting area but you got to know what the frequency is of the whine, that needs measuring equipment.

In the case as someone suggests above the gearbox drain plug being found loose, well that is a Seat Warranty issue, If the plug is correctly torqued then that bolt ain't going to undo itself no way
Hope this helps, BTW if the noise is ear piercing then I would suggest you may have a greater issue.

So you're saying it could be a main shaft harmonic and adding a tuned mass effectively filters that out?
 

Omega1

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Again unless you were to do an in depth measurements analysis of the frequency it would be a pure guess were the source was coming from exactly, bearings cogs main shaft etc, but if you were able to measure its frequency response then that is were I would probably start.
Then you could start apply masses etc, this is extremely time consuming thou.

Look underneath vehicles especially convertibles you will find quite a few bolted on masses, they are meant to be hidden or blended in to its surroundings, without the tin top the vehicle changes a lot so hence the countermeasures used.

These factors are supposedly calculated at a design stage, but in the real world nothing is clear cut and perfect.

Manufacturers will make a judgement whether the average driver will pick up these noises at a development stage, it is then decided whether it warrants additional money and development time to correct the problem, which in turn increases cost on the vehicle.

Even with what I do it took me sometime to pick up the gear whine, although boom was pretty evident from the test drive but I can live with that as was road noise although I have done some isolation changes and improvements to the rear paths of the vehicle to cabin.

On the last service I had my gearbox oil renewed, the car is at 60000 miles. I have a VW garage do my servicing as I find them far more detailed about servicing, I noticed to be honest a slightly slicker gear change but no real noise reduction.
The garage recorded that the level was down by 500ml which was not a great deal but if my mind serves me correct you would have to ask for the gearbox oil to be checked as it does not always come up to check on servicing, please correct if I have that wrong on this.
 

Stu_pot

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Well, according to Audi, they're supposed to be sealed for life! I changed the oil on my S3 to some Motul stuff, made the world of difference to gear changes.
 

Omega1

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Well, according to Audi, they're supposed to be sealed for life! I changed the oil on my S3 to some Motul stuff, made the world of difference to gear changes.


Well yes I would agree with what you say but I have an issue with chage from 2nd to 3rd in that if I accel hard and changed quickly I get a crunch sound, again I did not pick this issue up for a for while.
I asked the VW Dealer to take a look on the service and as previously posted it was found to be less than max.

In what way differnce to changes what was the before and after effect ?

Ian
 
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