Sub 8 alloy lacquer peeling

Oliver Pawley

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I've got the lacquer peeling on all 4 of my alloys ( I'll get a picture up later) I've noticed it on a couple others with them.

I'll assume nothing can be done about this except getting them refurbished at some point

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SRGTD

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Yes, please put some pictures up.

It’s not unusual to get issues with diamond cut alloys as they get older, although I’d say white worm corrosion is more common than lacquer peel and often happens when the wheels are between 2-3 years old. The shiny bare diamond cut / polished metal surface doesn’t provide a very good ‘key’ for the lacquer coating to adhere to, hence why issues such as lacquer peel and white worm corrosion happen. Some harsh alloy wheel cleaning products can also damage the lacquer coating on diamond cut alloys.

If your car is still under the 3 year factory warranty, you could try claiming that the lacquer peel is due to a manufacturing defect and see if Seat will replace them; nothing ventured, nothing gained as the saying goes. However, be aware that if you’ve got any ‘self inflicted” damage to your wheels (e.g. kerb damage) or stone chip damage to the lacquered surface, Seat are likely to refuse replacements under warranty. Similarly, if wheels have evidence of previous repairs, warranty claims will be denied. If you get them refurbished, you’re probably looking at a cost of £90 - £100 plus VAT per wheel for a top quality refurb of a 19” diamond wheel from the likes of a company such as Lepsons (www.lepsons.com). Be aware that some places charge extra to remove and remount the tyre too.

I had a couple of diamond cut alloys on my last VW succumb to white worm corrosion when the car was 2.5 years old. The dealer took photos to submit to VW to authorise replacement wheels under warranty. VW authorised replacements, although that was six years ago and since Dieselgate, VW certainly seem to be taking a much firmer line on non-mechanical and non-electrical warranty claims; I think dealers now now take readings of paint / lacquer thickness on wheels for evidence of any previous repairs, so Seat are probably applying a similar, firmer approach too.

I really wish VAG would stop fitting diamond cut alloys to the majority of their performance cars. IMO, they’re more trouble than they’re worth. They have great ‘bling’ appeal to some potential customers when the car’s sitting in the dealer’s showroom, but given the choice of diamond cut or painted/powder coated wheels, I’d take the painted/powder coated wheels every time for the following reasons;
  • the finish on diamond cut alloys isn’t particularly durable, especially if they’re on a car used as a daily driver during the winter months when there’s a greater risk of the lacquered finish getting damaged by road grit / salt. If this happens, water can get under the lacquer layer and you’ve got the ideal conditions for the onset of white worm corrosion.
  • diamond cut alloys are more expensive to refurbish than alloys with a painted / powder coated finish. They also can usually only be refurbished a maximum of twice. The refurb process involves cutting a thin layer of metal from the wheel’s face on a diamond cutting lathe, and more than two refurbs, the structural integrity of the wheel can be compromised.
  • diamond cut alloys seem to be easily damaged by poorly maintained tyre changing equipment or inexperienced tyre fitters than wheels with a painted / powder coated finish.
 
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Oliver Pawley

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Just picked up a second set of the alloys, looks like they have more of a lip on the rim. Now I think these have had a refurb done badly which is why it peeling

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@Oliver Pawley; that’s interesting. I don’t think I’ve seen lacquer peel on the black painted / powder coated sections on a set of diamond cut alloys many times before. I had (incorrectly) assumed that the peeling lacquer coat was just on the diamond cut surfaces. Just goes to prove you shouldn’t make assumptions! :D. I can’t tell from the pictures, but has the lacquer also peeled off the diamond cut sections - especially on the ‘sharp‘ edges where the black recessed sections meet the diamond cut face?

If you’ve not owned the car from new, there’s always a chance the wheels may have been refurbished at some point by a previous owner. If you bought the car from a dealer, the dealer may have had the wheels refurbished cheaply prior to putting the car on the forecourt for sale. The cleaning products used in the past could also have contributed to the lacquer peeling - especially if the car’s been regularly cleaned by one of the many £x hand car wash places. Those places often use quite harsh, aggressive cleaning products as time is money to them, so using strong / harsh cleaning products to remove dirt with minimal effort in as quick a time as possible means a high turnover of cars cleaned which = more income and profit for them.

The fact that you’ve said the second set of wheels you just bought have a thicker lip does suggest the original set of wheels may have been refurbished. If so, and a) if the refurb was done cheaply b) inappropriate cleaning products / cleaning methods have been used since the refurb, then that probably explains why the lacquer is peelIng.

Assuming the new wheels you’ve just bought are in good condition, In your position I’d either now sell your original wheels to recoup some of the outlay on the second set or keep the original wheels for winter use, and only have the new second set on the car during those months when the weather and road conditions are better - provided you’ve got somewhere to store the spare set when not in use.
 

Oliver Pawley

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Also hate to point this out but your tyres are 5 years old and perished. Can see that from the photos.
I do know but thank you, 4 reasonably new tyres with My new set of sub 8's.

Although one does have a very small bulge in which will need replacing

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A few years ago I had a company Mercedes C Class. At the second annual service the garage pointed out one alloy had damage round the centre cap. They had contacted Mercedes and they authorised the replacement of all four wheels ! Something to do with colour match. That was customer service . I have never known anything like it or probably will again!
 
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BigJase88

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My 18 month old bridgestones are more perished than those tyres.

i would not be concerned with them they look fine
 

Oliver Pawley

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My 18 month old bridgestones are more perished than those tyres.

i would not be concerned with them they look fine
They are most definitely perished, 100% should not be driving with them hence why I've got new ones
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Oliver Pawley

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What tyres do you think you’ll go for next? Pilot super sports or something else?
I'd love the pilot Cup 2 again but don't fancy paying £200 a corner.

With the new sub 8 I got 2 falken f510 which I'll give them a go,
2 ps4s on the other 2 - however one has a incredibly small bulge on which as far as I'm aware it needs to be replaced no matter the size.

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380bhpdaily

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Your correct unfortunately a bulge is a cut in the inside of the tyre from a impact. Definitely replace ASAP as they can’t be repaired for that. In all fairness I’ve got falkens on my Sierra which weren’t my choice but my only option the day before ford fair and they are actually really good even in the wet I said to myself I’ll leave them in till they need replacing but the mileage I do in that car they’ll probably perish away before going bald.
 
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