Revo on a 100bhp

[christdi]

I think most RR are about £30-£50 for a run but I might be wrong, are you form Belfast?

 

[STOCKY]

Carrick, not that far away. Where is the closest then?

How come I never see you about bangor on a sunday then?

 

[christdi]

The two I know of are McVickers, which is off the Saintfield road in south Belfast (I think thats right ), or DS Autos in Antrim which is the RR Dave Wishart uses when doing the remaps. AFAIK McVickers RR is a bit of an antique though.

Ive been in Bangor just a couple of times on Sundays but I actually spend most of my time in Belfast.

 

[cordobabrendy]

ive been to all of the norther RRs except for cartoyz which ive heard a few reports on not being the most professional run.
willie mcvicker uses an old sun RR equipment (been once)
dave at ds autos uses a newer version (been once, dave is a lovely fella, but facilities for cold air supplies arnt great)
triple seven uses a newer setup again but also more importantly has a better air tunnel setup for keeping roadlike conditions when on the RR.

stocky, do not tell agnews whether you get your car mapped or not they will wash their hands of you if you do mate, it happened to me, one minute they cant do enough for you to get 15k off you, the next fcuk all!
ive been to triple seven twice for their RR days and aidan knows his engines, if a little hard to understand his accent sometimes!!
most sundays im about bangor myself but sometimes only for a quick flyby on the way to the picolos pizzas on high st!

BTW the clubgti/cupranet meet is this sunday corrs corner at 2.30 ish til whenever. sometimes go in for grub, sometimes not but usually good craic anyway!!

 

[STOCKY]

I have a few other people to see before I make up my mind 100% but thanks for your input! Will def have more power with in the next 3 weeks! Goin to talk to someone 2mara mornin about what he could of if he could do anything for me.

Also something else was brought to my attention a few days back! With my cars intercooler being on the drivers side it is being blocked by part of the cupra kit! Will this be lossing me bhp?

Brendy what time is the meet tomorrow and would I be welcome?

 

[Mr.Bean]

when engines are cast (made) they all are done the same way, when they are built up some are slightly more powerful than others due to imperfections/castmarks in manufacture of the engine. not all 100bhp engines put out the same bhp, some are a bit more, some slightly less and most are around the 100 mark, same goes for any other make and model of engine out there.

I'm not agree with you cordobabrendy.
20Hp or in this case 20% more power than factory specify is too much . You told that some engines are more powerful and some engines are less powerful. From your teory conclusion is that some 1.9 Tdi PD100 is 120Hp and other is 80Hp. Its not possible, for example 1.9 Tdi PD130 would be 110 Hp and this engine will be slower than PD100 with 120Hp.
The diference between the fastest and slowest car with same engine is normaly not much than 5% and this diference you will notice only if you are specialist.
I'm driving more than 50 diferent cars (Seat) every month because I'm service manager in Company who import Seat vehicles in my country and I didnt spot big diferences between same models. Hope you understand me .

 

[cpufreak]

I'm not agree with you cordobabrendy.
20Hp or in this case 20% more power than factory specify is too much . You told that some engines are more powerful and some engines are less powerful. From your teory conclusion is that some 1.9 Tdi PD100 is 120Hp and other is 80Hp. Its not possible, for example 1.9 Tdi PD130 would be 110 Hp and this engine will be slower than PD100 with 120Hp.
The diference between the fastest and slowest car with same engine is normaly not much than 5% and this diference you will notice only if you are specialist.
I'm driving more than 50 diferent cars (Seat) every month because I'm service manager in Company who import Seat vehicles in my country and I didnt spot big diferences between same models. Hope you understand me .

No.

The way I understand it is, the figure quoted by VAG will be the minimum you will see, in the worst conditions.

therefore, in optimal conditions, a good sample will be higher.

Would imagine most PD100s in normal conditions would be ~110bhp, with the best being 120bhpish, and the worst 100bhpish, if that makes sense.

 

[Mr.Bean]

Hello cpufreak,

From marketing view all factory not only VAG shows the best or average power figures on new engine, with the best fuel and in the optimal terms not the worst. Its belong also for max speed, fuel economy and other important parameters, they dont show min speed, poorest fuel economy etc.
I think you are wrong

 

[Ant FR Turbo]

AMD do the 100 pd as well, give em a call, i think theres says 135bhp for the PD 100, but either way worth a call, plus there aftersales is second to none, you can only but ask.

 

[Ant FR Turbo]

No.

The way I understand it is, the figure quoted by VAG will be the minimum you will see, in the worst conditions.

therefore, in optimal conditions, a good sample will be higher.

Would imagine most PD100s in normal conditions would be ~110bhp, with the best being 120bhpish, and the worst 100bhpish, if that makes sense.

CPU Freak, i know you is a clever bugger, PS i may be calling on you for help when my front Mount turns up next week.

But on this you are slightly wrong, there is no guarantee. I think i am right in sayiong that European legislation staes that car outputs should be within 5% either way of the output they stay. You will find with all Turbo cars that the discrepencies can be a lot higher. Most NA cars usually hit the exact figure. IE most of the R32's all seem to have spot on power. But get a 1.8T on and it varies by a huge amount.

But pretty sure it's 5% either way, they are the tolerances. They also said this on a previous Top gear

 

[cordobabrendy]

mr bean, i never said there would be a 40bhp gulf between models, some are more some are slightly less, they cant have too many less otherwise advertising standards would be onto them for trade descriptions act breaches etc. if you drive one or a hundred thousand new vag cars a month, they arnt run and as a result wont be putting out its best power anyway.

 

[cpufreak]

Hello cpufreak,

From marketing view all factory not only VAG shows the best or average power figures on new engine, with the best fuel and in the optimal terms not the worst. Its belong also for max speed, fuel economy and other important parameters, they dont show min speed, poorest fuel economy etc.
I think you are wrong

erm?

When my car was standard, which it was for 9700 miles, I did quite a few long runs (3600 miles in 4 days), I regularly exceeded the quoted economy figures, and on a private flat road, went to an indicated speed which exceeded the quoted figure, and have since through the use of my origin b2, verified that this is accurate to within 2-3mph at the speed in question.

my car also rolling roaded as standard at 144.8bhp once at 7500miles, and 149bhp at 9700miles...

so either my car is a good sample (unlikely I would guess), or iit backs up what I was saying.

if you can't get the economy/performance figures from your car which vag quoted, I'd be having words with your dealer.

 

[Mr.Bean]

mr bean, i never said there would be a 40bhp gulf between models, some are more some are slightly less, they cant have too many less otherwise advertising standards would be onto them for trade descriptions act breaches etc. if you drive one or a hundred thousand new vag cars a month, they arnt run and as a result wont be putting out its best power anyway.

If 20Hp more is normal I understand you that also 20Hp less is normaly for you.
120Hp is not around 100Hp, its 20% more.

 

[Mr.Bean]

erm?

When my car was standard, which it was for 9700 miles, I did quite a few long runs (3600 miles in 4 days), I regularly exceeded the quoted economy figures, and on a private flat road, went to an indicated speed which exceeded the quoted figure, and have since through the use of my origin b2, verified that this is accurate to within 2-3mph at the speed in question.

my car also rolling roaded as standard at 144.8bhp once at 7500miles, and 149bhp at 9700miles...

so either my car is a good sample (unlikely I would guess), or iit backs up what I was saying.

if you can't get the economy/performance figures from your car which vag quoted, I'd be having words with your dealer.

4.2Hp on power near 150Hp is only 3% diference. This is normal and I wrote in my previous post.
But anyway this diference (4.2Hp) maybe caused by fuel quality, outside temperature, air pressure, humidity etc.
For correct power figure result is necesery to do measurment on flywheel not on tyres .
When you do power measure on tyres you will see only diference between two measurements if you do some modifications to increase power.

 

[m0rk]

Mr.Bean

Andy's car is a PD130, so I'm not sure what numbers you're using to get 3%, but they're not the right ones.

 

[Mr.Bean]

Mr.Bean

Andy's car is a PD130, so I'm not sure what numbers you're using to get 3%, but they're not the right ones.

I mean 3% diference between two measurments:
1. 144.8Hp at 7500 Mls and
2. 149Hp at 9700 Mls.

 

[STOCKY]

Have made my mind up 100% today! Will be phoning Triple 7 first thing 2mara mornin to get booked in sometime soon!

Another thing, should I fit the cupra air intake or not? Do I need to tell the revo guy that I have fitted it?

Can they adjust settings for this?

Ill hopefully get before and after dynos done, if it doesnt cost too much?


Sorry I didnt make it today brendy had to help out a mate.

 

[RobbyH]

my chipped fez Zs (second car i owned) shoulda been 103bhp, but from just a remap and filter got 119bhp! and normally aspirated gains off a remap aint nothing against a turbo most were putting out 110std!

and my clio to back up cpufreak, got 189 completely std (shoulda been 180 - there 182ps) torque was up to @ 155ib.ft against 148 or 150 (Cant memmber)

 

[muddyboots]

I'm inclined to agree with cpufreak.

Of all the time I've spent on these (and other) forums, I've never heard of a TDI putting out less than the stock figure - they've always been over, and usually by a fairly healthy margin.

 

[cordobabrendy]

stocky no probs fella, was a quiet one anyway, around 10 cars or so.
mr bean, what i said in my last post is more to do with underestimating the cars output rather than exact figures, if someone sells a car at 100bhp then it would need to be at least 100bhp, otherwise the customers wouldnt be happy.