No bluetooth audio streaming. Who's the culprit?

[VAGUE]

Well mate, I've opened a different thread where this specific situation is treated:

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=365362

Basically, your friend needs to disconnect his factory BT unit, turn on his RNS 315 HU and then turn it off and leave everything like that for at least 5 hours straight. After this he should be able to access, enable and configure the RNS' built-in BT options by pressing PHONE > SETUP. There's just one "small" inconvenience with that... as it seems that the mic is directly wired to the factory BT unit, he won't be able to actually answer a call (or anything that requires of the use of the mic for that matter), but besides that everything will work nicely, including audio streaming. I'm still trying to get this situation sorted out and will post any findings about it in that thread.

As for his factory BT unit, it seems that every FL pre 2012 Leon was doomed with a non-audio streaming capable unit... From my research, the only units that seem to be fully A2DP compliant in all of their revisions are the 7P6 ones.

Cheers!

 

[sj1]

Hi, im new here, thought it would be polite to say hello in my first post.

Just over the last couple of days i have been enquiring about exactly this issue with SEAT.

Im driving an Altea with Media System 2.0 my understanding is that this is an RNS310, and although i have a Bluetooth Audio option under media cant get the audio to stream. I came to the conclusion that my car isnt supportign the A2DP bluetooth profile or that there was something wrong with it so i asked the garage to check this out when servicing in addition to a couple of other issues.

The response that came back from the garage as informed by SEAT was that audio streaming wasnt a function for cars manufactured prior to June 2010, unfortunately mine was Feb. The garage basically stated that its the Bluetooth control module that is lacking the streaming functionality which would seem to tie up with the info in the rest of this post (thanks guys).

I believe that there was a refresh Mid 2010 which is when the RNS315 was introduced in the Altea (and presumable the Leon also - Altea CR170 also ceased production), which would tie up with a newer bluetooth module having the capability to stream.

So my questiona are:
What is advanced bluetooth and how does this differ from standard bluetooth ????

For my RNS310 with bluetooth module, how can i go about enabling streaming. My understanding is that i need a new bluetooth control module:
- anyone have a part number or more details on this 7P6 item?
- anyone performed this enablement/swap in the past and therefore know it will work?
- anyone have a price or know where to get one at the best price ?- (Garage said about £400 for the one i have in my car)
- where is my bluetooth control module ? Reading here on a Leon its under the Seat, i havent looked there on my car but im not sure its going to be accessible if it is as i have some under seat storage boxes.

Many Thanks.

 

[VAGUE]

Hi mate, first of all, welcome to the forum and thank you for sharing this information with us It'd be nice if you introduced yourself and your car as soon as you're able to post pictures.

Anyway, now on with the questions!

You can get a new, original and better priced BT unit in here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-SEAT-SKODA-BLUETOOTH-BOX-MODULE-INTERFACE-MFD3-RNS510-RCD510-7P6035730J-/271085329576?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f1df1dca8

As mentioned there, it is the latest revision of the 7P6 unit, which happens to come with the latest functionalities a standard BT unit could have. In my opinion and compared to the Stealer's price, it's a real bargain.

You don't need to rewire anything, all you'll have to do is disconnect your actual unit and connect the new one. However, you may have to rearrange the wiring at the connectors (both ends, BT unit and Head unit) depending on the model of your actual BT unit and the results you get whenever you install the new one.

Regardless of this, you'll have to get this new unit programmed through vagcom in order to have it fully functional with your car.

This is a simple and nice guide that explains pretty much what must be done to retrofit a new BT unit:

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a6/9w7-VW-bluetooth-module.htm

Alteas should have it located in the same place. Please keep us posted on the results mate. Of course any new enquiries will be welcome.

Cheers!

 

[SeanyK]

Hey Vague, I just bought one of those newer BT units, when it arrives i'll update this thread to confirm whether it fixes the BT streaming on the 315 using factory microphone connector.

 

[VAGUE]

Excellent, mate! This should solve the lack of audio streaming for good. Details on the experience will surely be appreciated

 

[SeanyK]

Hey well an update for you...

I replaced the BT module... Stage 1, the BT module is completely different housing to the newer one, so I will need to find a replacement casing for it, as the old unit has a different bracket.

Anyway!

I now have Bluetooth audio streaming however just from the right hand speaker only

I have read up and it seems 2 wires need to be adding, I can't be bothered to do that so it looks like i'll just use the right speaker if I ever want bluetooth audio!

The factory microphone works.

I did lose the ability to voice dial from the steering wheel, but not bothered as that never worked properly anyway and it was easier to just dial using the MFD or using the RNS display.

 

[VAGUE]

Hey well an update for you...

I replaced the BT module... Stage 1, the BT module is completely different housing to the newer one, so I will need to find a replacement casing for it, as the old unit has a different bracket.

Anyway!

I now have Bluetooth audio streaming however just from the right hand speaker only

I have read up and it seems 2 wires need to be adding, I can't be bothered to do that so it looks like i'll just use the right speaker if I ever want bluetooth audio!

The factory microphone works.

I did lose the ability to voice dial from the steering wheel, but not bothered as that never worked properly anyway and it was easier to just dial using the MFD or using the RNS display.

Wow mate, by the looks of that you could say the experience didn't go as expected... did you change/reconfigure anything through vagcom? We can try to figure things out if you want, mate.

The unit's casing part number is 1K0 919 737 M, in case that helps.

 

[SeanyK]

Hi mate, ah you legend Was looking for that part number thanks man,

I didn't really code much, as the car already had bluetooth, and when I replaced it, went through the long coding to check, and pretty much left it as it was, although I did enable voice control, but it still didn't work

 

[VAGUE]

No problem mate I would have thought they sold it along with the casing cover...

Anyway, in regard to the voice control issue, did you try coding the corresponding module as they mentioned here?

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a6/9w7-VW-bluetooth-module.htm

There's a "soft coding" field where this voice control feature is set and activated. You could try messing with different codes until you get it to work.

 

[SeanyK]

Hi mate, well even though I said I couldn't be bothered... I ended up asking a local car audio place to add the extra 2 wires from the BT module to the head unit, £35 later...All done! Stereo AD2P streaming!

 

[VAGUE]

Nice, mate! I bet the results were worth the effort and the £££ spent. I suppose you have no idea of what pins they used to wire the extra sound outputs... Or am I supposing wrong? It would be great if you knew and shared that. Cheers!

 

[SeanyK]

Yeah man, to be fair the swapping of the unit is a sinch as is changing the stereo, but I just could not be bothered to do the extra wire part.

I just gave them the sheet of paper http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a...oth-module.htm that you sent, and it says the pins on there.

I did not give them VW repair wire though, didn't give them any wire at all, they just used their own, I think most audio places have connectors for those blocks.

100% worth it man, I recommend it, instead of messing with the factory mic to get the 315 BT working etc.

 

[VAGUE]

So they followed the instructions from that page and everything worked as expected/required? Good to know it, mate

Now that you mention this, I think I'd have to go through the same process than you if I wanted to get audio streaming through a new BT unit, because my actual one is mono too... so I guess I'll stick to the original plan as it'd be more expensive to get a new BT unit + wiring installation instead of just going through wire rearrangement. I'm still hoping it can be solved through vagcom, though... We'll see.

Cheers for sharing your experience, mate!

 

[SeanyK]

Yeah they just followed that small section, I think it probably took them 30 mins only.

Vagcom should hopefully have a setting, apparently you can set your phone (on the iPhone for sure) in settings accessibility to mono audio.

But when I tried that, it still had right speaker only, although some people it worked for.

 

[VAGUE]

Actually, I'm looking for the possibility to enable the mic input for the RNS BT through vagcom. Hopefully I'll get me one by the end of this month to see what can be done about that. Anyway, I'll keep you posted.

 

[VAGUE]

OK, I finally managed to get a vag com and here are my findings after messing around with some codes.

First of all, I couldn't find any option/code to enable the mic input for my RNS head unit. It looks like the mic is going to have to be wired directly to the head unit if I wish it to work with the unit's embedded bluetooth.

Finally, I did an interesting discovery, my 5K0 bluetooth unit did support audio streaming after all, it just had to be enabled through vag com and here's how I did it:

- Clicked on Select button:

- Then chose 77 - Telephone module:

- Then clicked on Coding - 07 :

- Then clicked on Long Coding Helper button:

- Finally, went to Byte 4 and deselected the Bit 0 option:

-After this, just closed this window and saved the code changes by pressing the Do it! button.

This did the trick for me, however just like in my mate Seany's case, the audio streaming sound output is mono (only comes from the right side speakers) and requires some extra wires to work in stereo. Now I'm just wondering: was it really too expensive for the guys at Martorell to enable this feature from factory? Go figure... Anyway, this confirms once again who the culprit was from the beginning: My bluetooth unit.

I think I'll just have my mic rewired from my BT unit to my head unit, as that process won't require any extra wires plus the head unit's embedded bluetooth allows me to skip tracks from the steering wheel's controls, unlike my BT unit.

Hope this thread helped.

Cheers!

 

[Maxamus]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forums and new to Seat.

I've just got a MK2 Leon CR FR TDi 170, MY11. I have the RCD310 unit in it. For one, the sound quality from a connected iPod is terrible. CD is ok.

However I don't have the option of BT-Audio in the menu settings. I've been reading this thread, and watched a couple of videos online, and I'm still none the wiser if I should have it or not. I have Bluetooth installed in my car, which I connect my phone to to make calls. Do I therefore have the 'standard' Blueooth module?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

 

[HasF]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forums and new to Seat.

I've just got a MK2 Leon CR FR TDi 170, MY11. I have the RCD310 unit in it. For one, the sound quality from a connected iPod is terrible. CD is ok.

However I don't have the option of BT-Audio in the menu settings. I've been reading this thread, and watched a couple of videos online, and I'm still none the wiser if I should have it or not. I have Bluetooth installed in my car, which I connect my phone to to make calls. Do I therefore have the 'standard' Blueooth module?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Hi Maxamus,

It depends what Bluetooth Unit you have installed under your drivers seat.

If it is the older "metal" body one, this did not support Bluetooth streaming. The later "plastic" body ones did but only after a certain production date.

So first off i would look under the seat and see what is there.

If it is a metal body one, the housing is often a big plastic clamp type. The newer plastic ones are housed in a foam sleeve.

 

[Maxamus]

Hi Maxamus,

It depends what Bluetooth Unit you have installed under your drivers seat.

If it is the older "metal" body one, this did not support Bluetooth streaming. The later "plastic" body ones did but only after a certain production date.

So first off i would look under the seat and see what is there.

If it is a metal body one, the housing is often a big plastic clamp type. The newer plastic ones are housed in a foam sleeve.

Thanks for the reply HasF. I've had a look, and I have a grey foam housing for the Bluetooth unit. Could it therefore be my Leon was produced before the BT Audio was introduced?

 

[HasF]

It could be a possability, although there are options on VCDS to enable/disable Bluetooth Audio as it was not given as an option initially.

Best thing to do is bring the foam forwards (probably held down by velcro). No need to unplug the unit, but you should be able to get the bluetooh unit out from the foam (its wedged in) carfully without breaking the foam.

Either take a snap of the label with the part numbers or write them down.

There should be a SW: xxxx and HW: xx and also a production date like 14/12