look at this w@nker

[Big_Grin]

ummm

Do Fiat make the Multipla....enough said !!

 

[DANNY H]

At first I could somewhat agree, or atleast acknowledge, his logic and comments.
Upon reading the posts about him hoping that the LCR driver were to crash and die... i must confess Mr Fiat owner, I am thoroughly dissapointed.

We are simply talking about some1 who perhaps got over zelous and perhaps did take the spirit of the "comparison" a little too seriously. Shame on them for doing so... But to wish that they were then seriously harmed/killed as well as the child occupants of said LCR, i find it simply discraseful.

I may be only 21, and i often goof about when driving, but i hope that i never in my life see and CERTAINLY cause any1 else any kind of pain/injury or even cost at the expensive of my fun.

The fact that you wanted him to experience pain over something so trivial as a "game", i think you, sir, are a blotch on the already stained fabric of modern society.

Very well said.

 

[welformed]

^ Yeah I'm only playing. Only because I know VAG owners have no sense of fun. Amazing how this bit is being continually missed. heh

Oooh you can just smell the love in this room.

I don't get it. If someone is stupid enough to buy a VAG car, get high on all the classist snobbery that comes with it and is determined to prove in their own mind that they are kings of the road even at the possible expense of his entire family, why not just let the 'tard remove himself from the gene-pool? Defective genes are a major problem for humanity. Here's a chance for loads to be wiped out in one go, except for the poor innocents he takes out in the process. Sometimes it doesn't even take a VAG car owner losing a "comparison" to enter I-will-not-be-beaten mode. I've seen any "top spec" VAG car owner bolt off at traffic lights from me just giving my car a rev of the engine, and maybe even just a look, usually when I'm going the other way or the start of a journey when the car is still cold. They're off. Off to prove their manly walletness. S0d any other person on the road.

Yet I'm the t0sser for goading his small mind? What stereo typical I'm-blameless snobbery! It's like me winding someone up who's got a gun and then they manage to shoot themselves with it. How's that my fault? How is that even a crime? Surely we should be celebrating a 'tard removing themselves from the gene-pool? But I guess this angle is not allowed when you suffer from a spot of VAG snobbery, huh?

And btw, I've never risked my life or others in the Fiat. Seen plenty of VAG owners risk theirs through all of their own work. What makes it laughable is how predictable it is.

And what is all the utter crap of some of you saying you never speed or have a play on the road? Like anyone is going to believe that? If you have the power you use it, so say otherwise is to deny you're human... Actually I suppose that's possible... And thinking about it... I can't really remember ever seeing a LCR driver obeying road speed laws... hmmm... nope, well not unless he's just been Coop'd (that's an expression used a lot btw). It's a bit kinda statistically off the mark to suggest that you lot fairly represent the average LCR driver, or it's just porkies. To pull the "I'm a safe law abiding driver" card just because I've apparently admitted to numerous road crimes, is typically OTT. Taking a high stance without showing your hand. No-one believes you. It's that I'm-perfect snobbery rubbing off. Don't you see it? (rhetorical. Of course you don't. Too busy wrapped up in the power )

I have a friend that works for fiat and he said the fiat is a good car but build quality is really bad and the engines always mess up but he says thats good as it keeps him in a job as he does fiat and alfa

On a serious note, it sounds like you just made that up to me. Most Fiat mechanics say the Coupe is a crap car, even a rust bucket - which unlikely when you have a fully galvanised body... Sounds like they don't know what they're talking about? Yep, Fiat mechanics are generally monkeys. Anyone who wants decent treatment takes it to a specialist. So if he has seen poor examples it's mostly likely that he's seen examples from people who are also monkeys themselves and have no idea what it means to look after a car... It's really that simple.

Anyway, Is he talking Fiat generally or Fiat Coupe? The Coupe build quality is variable because they were hand built by Ferrari mechanics. We all know the Italians aren't the best in the world at consistency... (well except cheating at football) But the engine blocks are tried and tested and very rarely have problems, it's just the bits attached to them that tend to expire, though at least they give you a bit of advanced warning or are predictable. There's many Fiat Coupe's out there now that are going way past 150,000 miles on the original engines and modified too, trouble free.

It's the German reliablilty and build quality that is overrated, just like the other aspects of the cars. Wasn't it in the last JD Power survey that German manufacturers occupied the bottom 10 places? Yet they still sell to the drones based on public reputation - never the most accurate of things. I've seen new company cars breakdown less than 5 miles after they've been picked up and catastrophically at that. I remember new cars seizing because they forgot to put oil in the thing, but you could blame the duncey dronal owner for that. It's probably just a luck thing really though.

 

[welformed]

^ Oi and whats that horrible chavvy pic doing there!? lol

 

[Molehill_Mike]

There are a great deal of cars I have respect for and of course there's always something bigger and better. It's just not the case with a LCR, is it? Having borrowed and test-driven various mk1 Leon's (though not a LCR as this was before it's time), I could categorically state that my next co. car was not going to be a 20VT or any other Leon! In fact I chose an Octavia vRS, as it felt all-round "better" (let me guess, you're feeling even more insulted now that I say a Skoda is better than a SEAT. This is against VAG branding! How DARE I?!). The vRS felt faster than the 180bhp 20VT Leon*, smoother, nicer seats, a workable TCS system and even an interior that appeared "thought-out" as if the car was going to sell by more than just it's badge or reputation...

Maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick..but are you implying that a Skoda is not part of the VAG group

Fair play for coming on and defending your corner... cant say i agree with all that you've said... we all have a play from time to time, (I did yesterday with a lady driving her TT, we safely overtook several cars and I was sat behind her all the way, she backed off as we approached silly speeds...) and if the other driver chooses to take part with his kids in the car its his perogative.....I think you've made some sweeping comments however, as have some of our SCN boys... guess its all fun and games....


Mike

 

[si-mate]

I think the bit from all of your 'rants' which irks me the most is the stereotyping that you do with all VAG owners.
If I were to believe your version of events (which judging by your compulsive comments I don't) then I would agree that the LCR driver was being an arsehole. But to say he deserved to die and take his kids and any other innocents with him is wrong and inhumane.

But to categorise every other VAG car driver in the same way is wholly unfair and akin to saying "you're a FIAT driver, you obviously couldn't afford an ALFA".
My aunt who is in her 60's drives what is probably the humlest of the VAG offerings, an Arosa. You could hardly call her a car snob.
Yes that is an extreme example, but then I don't drive in the same way as every other LCR driver - some are no doubt better drivers, some are no doubt worse.

Anyway you blame this guy from challenging you, but you are no better by coming on here and goading thousands of SEAT drivers.

 

[El Vic]

^
why not just let the 'tard remove himself from the gene-pool? Defective genes are a major problem for humanity. Here's a chance for loads to be wiped out in one go, except for the poor innocents he takes out in the process.

Surely we should be celebrating a 'tard removing themselves from the gene-pool?

You should really keep those comments to yourself. I find them rather disgusting, and bordering Nazy rhetoric. You've crossed the line big time.

 

[Reg]

After skimming through this thread, two things strike me. Firstly Welformed, you are an idiot. Secondly, this forum is sadly populated by a number of idiots too, as seen by threads boasting of 'kills' against Porsche Boxsters, BMW's etc etc. Its no different to the story you tell. Its pathetic.

I think the issue seems to revolve around the car everyone drives - why? Put an idiot in any car, and they will drive it like an idiot. I admire your choice, I believe the Fiat Coupe is a fine machine. You have owned VAG cars and so are of course entitled to your opinions based on your experience. Quite why you feel the need to slate others for their's I can't grasp. Maybe you are somewhat lacking in another area of your life? Who knows, and indeed, who cares.

I manage to fit into three stereotypes targeted for abuse - An LCR owner, a BMW owner, and a motorcyclist. I enjoy driving all of them hard when appropriate, racing people like you (regardless of car) is not what I would call appropriate. Why don't you wander back to your own forum, and the people here as mentioned who start the same sort of threads, maybe remember what sort of response this guy gets before you start telling your tales of herosim.

As for your comments about 'tards, and removing themselves from the genepool? You are genuinely a ******.

 

[Ruddmeister]

.......He got bitten by the classism disease.

I still have no idea what 'classism disease' is?

Are you trying to say we live in a society where there is a 'class' system? hardly news that as social structures date from pre-history, and the specific term Social class has been recognised in English language since the late 1700's.

If you are saying people buy a SEAT to highlight their level of Social Class, and these buyers are of a higher Social class than yourself, then I think you could be onto something....

Traditionally Historians and Sociologists have said Social class can be determined by a mix of factors incl;-
occupation, education and qualifications, manners, fashion and cultural refinement etc..

We SEAT buyers appear to have better manners than you and we are an educated bunch that have used that knowledge to buy a car that represents excellent value for money. Also, you joking about the death of SEAT driving members and their kids shows a distinct lack of cultural refinement.

Welformed you are indeed a prize Penis, go back to your locked thread on your little forum

 

[honeyman]

Honest I wasn't racing I was comparing.

 

[si-mate]

Ummm Welformed, you really need to get your views straight:

Really? hehehe Excellent! They should think themselves lucky that I vewi that car worthy enough to even use an abbreviation for it!

Taken from the Standard 20 VT vs which other cars? thread on your forum.

Can you just clear up my confusion. Do you or don't you like the Leon Cupra R?

 

[Jonesy]

Just let him be

 

[CupraJay]

Not sure why so many people seem to be getting so up-tight over this thread. Clearly Mr Fiat the keyboard warrior is an idiot. While he does raise some good points, He is to far up his own rectum for them to be taken seriously.

I think its about time to let the keyboard warrior go on his way and we all get back to enjoying the forum.

 

[Mat138L]

^ Yeah I'm only playing. Only because I know VAG owners have no sense of fun. Amazing how this bit is being continually missed. heh




On a serious note, it sounds like you just made that up to me. Most Fiat mechanics say the Coupe is a crap car, even a rust bucket - which unlikely when you have a fully galvanised body... Sounds like they don't know what they're talking about? Yep, Fiat mechanics are generally monkeys. Anyone who wants decent treatment takes it to a specialist. So if he has seen poor examples it's mostly likely that he's seen examples from people who are also monkeys themselves and have no idea what it means to look after a car... It's really that simple.

Anyway, Is he talking Fiat generally or Fiat Coupe? The Coupe build quality is variable because they were hand built by Ferrari mechanics. We all know the Italians aren't the best in the world at consistency... (well except cheating at football) But the engine blocks are tried and tested and very rarely have problems, it's just the bits attached to them that tend to expire, though at least they give you a bit of advanced warning or are predictable. There's many Fiat Coupe's out there now that are going way past 150,000 miles on the original engines and modified too, trouble free

I have no reason to make that up he works for perrys in hudds thanks and yes he is a grease monkey but is good at his job and said its all the fiat range that have a lot of probs not just the coupe he said alfa was bad but is starting to turn things around engine wise and are doing some good cars now but its long over due.what is a typical vag car owner as i also own a civic type r and also work for honda so love jap cars too.there are also many many vag cars that have 2, 300,000 on the clock and never miss a beat so they are both good cars with good and bad points like all cars.i just think there is no need to be as rude and as silly as some of the stuff you have said and to be honest i hope you never couse an accident and hope you are carfull the next time you drive silly. Dont get me wrong i love a race once in a while god do i but there is a time and a place for it so just be carfull

 

[welformed]

If you are saying people buy a SEAT to highlight their level of Social Class, and these buyers are of a higher Social class than yourself, then I think you could be onto something....

btw, the class dig is at VAG - Audi/VW drivers seem to be picking up on the Bimmer/Merc owning the road attitude. But as classism and social pressures wear off on others, I only expect bad attitude SEAT drivers to increase, even over what I have already witnessed myself.*

Traditionally Historians and Sociologists have said Social class can be determined by a mix of factors incl;-
occupation, education and qualifications, manners, fashion and cultural refinement etc..

Except of course, if you have none of those but buy a car that the general populace appears to consider "classy" and pretend you have all of the above. And of course, drive like you have some peers to claw your way up to... Oh but the biggest class defining factor of all - income. If you think that's not got more to do with classism than probably all the aforementioned attributes combined, then take a look good around. It's all that matters today. So as you can see, easy to pretend you have more than you do if you spend as much on your car as you do your house.

Human shallowness is to blame for it all of course though.

We SEAT buyers appear to have better manners than you and we are an educated bunch that have used that knowledge to buy a car that represents excellent value for money.

I'm not too sure about that: The thread was locked because some well mannered LCR owner signed-up and marched in f'ing and blinding about how crap Fiat's are. Nothing to do with me embarassing a dad and his entire family to the point of their own self-induced extinction. Of course if I noticed it was that easy to rile this guy without even knowing I had, do you think I'd be able to resist coming in here and having a proper go - without resorting to such "well mannered" name calling.

Also, you joking about the death of SEAT driving members and their kids shows a distinct lack of cultural refinement.

Not half as little "cultural refinement" as the guy who /clarkson JUS WOULD NAT STAP!! /clarkson was showing then? tbh the LCR guy was a true c0ck. You can say anything you want about my riling, ah mainly cos I deserve and enjoy it, but he was a monterous c0ck and got a monsterous lesson for his c0ckness. He'll get the same monsterous lesson everytime he sees me. I can't be held responsible for his duff decision making. He just has too much VAG in him.

@Mat138L,

I've seen a few VW's with close to 500,000 miles on them. I wouldn't exactly say they weren't missing a beat though! Besides which German cars have no soul and no heart, and therefore no beat to miss.

Anyway the Coupe was built by Ferrari mechanics and therefore it's reasonable to assume also to Ferrari standards for the late 90's. Sounds to me like you mechanic friend is trying to tarnish them all with the same brush, yet of course the Coupe came from a different factory to the other Fiats. So to cuss Coupe build quality is to cuss Ferrari... er, ok no comment! This still sounds like a generalisation. Also there is the matter of perspective. He's a mechanic. All he gets to see are broken cars. He doesn't get to see the millions of other working ones out there, so his perception is from a more pessimistic angle to anyone else's.


* not true. The bigger picture is the overcrowding (frsutration) on roads is probably contributing just as much to the attitudes on it as anything else. But for the purposes of goading the easily goaded, today it's all about class.

 

[Ruddmeister]

Not half as little "cultural refinement" as the guy who /clarkson JUS WOULD NAT STAP!! /clarkson was showing then? tbh the LCR guy was a true c0ck. You can say anything you want about my riling, ah mainly cos I deserve and enjoy it, but he was a monterous c0ck and got a monsterous lesson for his c0ckness. He'll get the same monsterous lesson everytime he sees me. I can't be held responsible for his duff decision making. He just has too much VAG in him.

Translate from Chav speak and re-post in English please

 

[Molehill_Mike]

Cant we ban him and be done with? I'm bored...

Mike

 

[bentaw]

to much VAG in him, ha

GROW UP

 

[bentaw]

Dont get me wrong i like the fiat coupe turbo by mate has the alfa counter part the gtv both are very nice cars but its the way you have boasted about it that makes you sound like a ponse, so what your car was faster than his or your a more daring driver but christ give it a break its only a car and VAG are only a group of manufacturers this is like arguing who is better Tesco or Sainsburys knowone cares we both like our cars or we wouldnt have brought them end of story

 

[Ruddmeister]

Tesco or Sainsburys

Us posh VAG lot in our upper class snob way are far more Sainsbury's



(Although I shop at Morrison's, not sure that's very......erm.......VAG )



Welformed sounds is more like your Lidl kind of man