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independant front & rear fogs

Jan 22, 2007
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some may say lala land....
Hello,
Had a quick search but couldn't find anything, or rubbish search skills.

Anyway, I do vaguely recall seeing this before but didn't log it for future use.

Is it possible to have the rear fogs on without the fronts?

reason: if on a convey of traffic and your last man, don't need fronts on just rears for follow up cars, and also to highlight to the idiot behind he has on without blinding guy in front.

thanks
 

ManOnTheMoor

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Apr 22, 2007
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I asked this some time ago and was given pin out numbers to swap but then got side tracked so never tried it. Need to do as foggy now and don't need front on but have to in order to put rears on. Will try and find
 

ManOnTheMoor

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Apr 22, 2007
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Here u go

The light switch should have a 2-stage mode for fogs, pull out one stage to put the front fogs on, second stage adds the rear fogs. I don't know why it's that way round either, I think you need rear fogs far more often than front. It should be a simple matter of swapping the connections at the light switch, but since this is a 17-way conblock, that is easier said than done.

The documentation says position 8 is front fogs, a pair of grey/yellow wires and position 9 is rear fogs, a single grey/white wire. Position 2 is power for the fogs, a black/white wire. If you choose to cut wires, put in extra connectors so it is easy to swap back to factory-supplied configuration.
 

Fl@pper

Back older greyer and less oilier but always hope
Jun 19, 2001
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surely if its foggy enough to have rears on you want the fronts on too and if its that foggy to dazzle the one in front in the fog means you are too close anyway ??

dont forget the fronts will also help others to see you coming not just to see mind

its a pin swap as you say and i see what you mean about choices though, theres a few renaults round here need the switch hiding :):)
 

Muttley

Catch that diesel!
Mar 17, 2006
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North Kent
No.

Nonononononono.

As fog gets thicker you *ALWAYS* need rear fogs first, so that the guys following you can see you in time to brake. All that's needed is a red glow in the fog: nothing directional, and the brighter the better.

Front fogs have very specific conditions in which they operate *as fog lamps*. That is, when the fog becomes too thick to use mains or dipped heads, because there is too much backscatter. Fogs are low, diffuse and wide, enabling you to find the side of the road and/or the white line in the middle.They don't allow you to see very far forewards, because that would just dazzle you with backscatter. They do allow you to keep moving in conditions that would otherwise need a man with a red flag in front.

I can only assume that the reason the switch is wired to put up front fogs first is that because most motorists use fog lamps as "Look At Me!" bling.

Foglights are designed not to project very far in front, so they aren't there for warning oncoming traffic. Dipped heads will do that better.

The function of the light switch ought to be simple enough to change over, provided the two connecters are the same size and shape.
 
Jan 22, 2007
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some may say lala land....
the reason I want the separate / independent rear and front, is:
in a convoy / queue and you are last man, you only need the rears on as you are following a guy in front, and as can see him don;t need fronts.
if you first man, then turn on front and off rears as the guy behind will be able to see you. even if all parties are driving at a correct distance.
you don't need to see fogs of the other cars even if on other side of the road, as what idiot would consider overtaking to need to know if more cars in the said convoy

if you look at armed services lorries in convoy they only use front side lights and rear and last fogs.

if vw though bling rather than practicalities they really are dumb, but then designed for euro law with us brits tagged on the side, so could be specific.

highway code link:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069859

states "may" not must use if fog conditions as well. so all about chice.
particular attention to:
226

You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236).

[Law RVLR regs 25 & 27]

Fog
234

Before entering fog check your mirrors then slow down. If the word ‘Fog’ is shown on a roadside signal but the road is clear, be prepared for a bank of fog or drifting patchy fog ahead. Even if it seems to be clearing, you can suddenly find yourself in thick fog.
235

When driving in fog you should

* use your lights as required (see Rule 226)
* keep a safe distance behind the vehicle in front. Rear lights can give a false sense of security
* be able to pull up well within the distance you can see clearly. This is particularly important on motorways and dual carriageways, as vehicles are travelling faster
* use your windscreen wipers and demisters
* beware of other drivers not using headlights
* not accelerate to get away from a vehicle which is too close behind you
* check your mirrors before you slow down. Then use your brakes so that your brake lights warn drivers behind you that you are slowing down
* stop in the correct position at a junction with limited visibility and listen for traffic. When you are sure it is safe to emerge, do so positively and do not hesitate in a position that puts you directly in the path of approaching vehicles

236

You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.

[Law RVLR regs 25 & 27]
 

Fl@pper

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Jun 19, 2001
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let me know the model/year and ill see if i have the wiring diagram for ya if it helps

actually just spotted ya sig - gimme 5 mins

*edit*
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/album.php?albumid=646&pictureid=1882

pics full screen and not that handy for the eyes sorry, if it looks useful gimme a shout for a decent copy

msn - flapper111 @ hotmail.com

emial - widdowsparts @ btconnect.com (i wont get cupranet mail til i get home)
 
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Jan 22, 2007
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some may say lala land....
guys,
just re-read this and all gone a bit mental.
changing the way the switch works is ok, but i would ultimately like a separate switch for front & rear fogs.
used to on my old 306, so why not on a modern leon!
 

Fl@pper

Back older greyer and less oilier but always hope
Jun 19, 2001
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Gloucester
in a moment of clarity i think i have the answer as to why it's front then rear

if you are driving in fog then you are driving full stop and as you will always be driving facing forwards the fronts come on first as you will need to see where you are going of course

you will not always be in a motorway situation where rear traffic would be at speed and come accross so therefore the rear is secondary

must admit though seperately would be better because if you swapped em over to match being last man to save dazzle what if next time you were first man ? you would dazzle behind and not see where to go then :p
 

Fl@pper

Back older greyer and less oilier but always hope
Jun 19, 2001
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Gloucester
ideally as said 2 switches would be better but as a mod for this job how about a switch to disconnect the fronts when they are not required ?

be the minimal hassle i would think ???
 
Dec 31, 2007
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good idea, there is lots of space under the dash for a little switch as well to keep things subtle.

Also useful for flashing the fogs at idiots behind.

Might do this too, I'm sure I've got some switches sat around somewhere.
 

scottR

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Jun 16, 2002
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in a moment of clarity i think i have the answer as to why it's front then rear

if you are driving in fog then you are driving full stop and as you will always be driving facing forwards the fronts come on first as you will need to see where you are going of course

you will not always be in a motorway situation where rear traffic would be at speed and come accross so therefore the rear is secondary

must admit though seperately would be better because if you swapped em over to match being last man to save dazzle what if next time you were first man ? you would dazzle behind and not see where to go then :p

However, given the short, low and wide pattern of correctly-adjusted front fog lights, you don't need to be going very fast before they will be of no help at all in seeing where you are going.

Rear fogs can also be useful in situations such as spray from heavy surface water, where fronts would be unnecessary, and they are actually more useful off the motorway where there is more chance of a higher speed differential between one vehicle and another closing from behind.

Also, aren't rear fogs a legal requirement, unlike fronts, so logically you would expect them to be more important?

I seem to recall some previous cars (Vauxhalls) had separate switches for front/rear.

A conversation with a traffic plod not so long ago revealed his opinion that cars which can have front fogs on without rears on first are set up wrongly, as are those which can have front fogs on without dipped beam! He was actually suprised that Leons do both as standard.
 

heatfan8

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Dec 2, 2008
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A conversation with a traffic plod not so long ago revealed his opinion that cars which can have front fogs on without rears on first are set up wrongly, as are those which can have front fogs on without dipped beam! He was actually suprised that Leons do both as standard.

Couldn't agree more!! What a stupid design. Would be nice to flash rear fogs without flashing the fronts. If anyone is successful in temporarily disconnecting the fronts, please let us all know!
 
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