How many miles is the pd130 good for

[TommyG]

I think the sport represents excellent value for money. Stick the facelift bumpers on it, some better suspension, couple of silver wing mirror covers and some wheels with a proper offset (it needs a wider track) and you've got a cracking car with performance, economy and looks.

No idea how the insurance compares, I've never checked.

Just having a quick look on Autotrader. 52 plate, 90k Sport 130 is £2800. 54 plate 90k FR is £5k (and the FR isn't a facelift, so thats the same car, 2 years newer for £2200 more). Why by the FR, they're both going to need new suspension anyway.

Definately heading towards the sport price wise seems like a brilliantly deal especially as money save can imporve handling and power later.

I'd personally say get the sport and use the money you have saved over the FR to buy coilovers, 20mm spacers for the rear wheels, and an anti roll bar also for the rear. Will make a massive difference to the way the car handles. Also id spend a reasonable amount on a decent set of tyres as that can make a big difference.
Remaps are also worthwhile.

And in answer to the question about FR bumpers, the range was facelifted in 2006, and the ones with the more aggresive bumpers are the facelift models. Thats why you will find FR's with similar style bumpers to the sports.

got ya cheers for clarification of that mate was a bit confused but thought it was something like that.

No im saying they are so bad, id rather use milk bottle tops inline with my own feet to stop me.

What brake diameter are the rears on a standard Calibra/Cav Turbo? Also specify each axle weight.

Without being rude, my 312mm set up with 501 dot can barely manage fast road use, and just held on at cadwell earlier this year. However I had huge brake fade over in germany on this long toll road you might have heard (I will admit however I was braking more than needed as never been on before, nor played any silly games so had no idea what was next)

Your not wrong about pads, hense why good ones are so expensive. However there is also the caliper you need to think of, and simply put, the 288mm set up as a whole, is poor. I have no doubt if you spend silly money on decent discs and good pads, they are ok for normal road use on standard power. Anymore, or this 'fast' road use you speak off, and the standard brakes are crap.

I guess it all comes down to what people class as fast road use, and normal driving aswell. It might be your fast road use, would be my daily drive to work, whilst my fast road use, is your nutter driving.

This being said, my current tank of diesel is seeing my trip computer state 56mpg.

I only hear the 288mm v 312mm brake upgrade debate from people who dont have 312mm. Funny that

as im looking at doing quite a look gonna try get my heads on a relatively low mileage model around 40/50k ish and got lots of plans for this motor was thinking forge fmic, full exhaust (not sure of the best yet), coils, rarb, 312 tt brakes, remap, possibly hybrid turbo if im really willling hope to build something to be on a par with a mates corsa vxr. any ideas??

 

[the_fbi]

No im saying they are so bad, id rather use milk bottle tops inline with my own feet to stop me.

What brake diameter are the rears on a standard Calibra/Cav Turbo? Also specify each axle weight.

I admit the rears are 286mm too, but the front end of a Cav/Cally T is very heavy too (not got my V5 here (which I'm pretty sure says) to check) as its got the TXB up there too which is another ~40+kg.

Without being rude, my 312mm set up with 501 dot can barely manage fast road use, and just held on at cadwell earlier this year. However I had huge brake fade over in germany on this long toll road you might have heard (I will admit however I was braking more than needed as never been on before, nor played any silly games so had no idea what was next)

What disc/pads are you using?

I guess it all comes down to what people class as fast road use, and normal driving aswell. It might be your fast road use, would be my daily drive to work, whilst my fast road use, is your nutter driving.

This probably isn't the issue in this case

I only hear the 288mm v 312mm brake upgrade debate from people who dont have 312mm. Funny that

If people with 312's were debating buying 312's I'd probably start looking for some white jackets.....

 

[T. Spark]

I admit the rears are 286mm too, but the front end of a Cav/Cally T is very heavy too (not got my V5 here (which I'm pretty sure says) to check) as its got the TXB up there too which is another ~40+kg.

Also the Ibiza TDi has a IRON BLOCK UP THERE

What disc/pads are you using?

If people with 312's were debating buying 312's I'd probably start looking for some white jackets.....

Indeed, however the debate is much like this one, people with 288mm brakes saying they are fine, and people with 312mm saying no they arent. You never hear anyone with 312mm brakes saying the 288mm were 'better' than good.

 

[TommyG]

guess 312s are a great idea, do you know where these can be picked up?

T.spark what mods are you running so far

 

[T. Spark]

guess 312s are a great idea, do you know where these can be picked up?

Yes mate, 312mm are a must IMHO.

T.spark what mods are you running so far

PD160 Air Intake
Performance Panel Filter
EGR Blanked
Turbo back 2'5inch exhaust
Forge FMIC
TD2 PD150 Stage 2 turbo
RS Tuning Remap

230bhp & 380lb.ft

Also have

Eibach coilovers (rear adjuster cups off also)
Cupra bushes
Powerflex bushes
20mm rear spacers
Eibach F/ARB
Jabba R/ARB
Seat Sport F/ Strut Brace
Custom R/ Strut Brace
312mm brake upgrade
ATB Diff
215/40/16's on Toyo's all round.

Also have

Stripped out the car, so no rear seats, no carpet, no dash, no headlining, no plastics.
Tints, Colour coded side mouldings, plenty of vinyl's and white wheels

Probs have more done, but thats just off the top off my head

 

[Tom.]

Probs have more done, but thats just off the top off my head

You forgot to mention the lack of front bumper and "trimmed" arch liners

 

[luna fr]

Correct

FR 70mph = 2,100rpmish

Sport 70mph = 1,850rpmish

Basically, a FR top speed (power permitting) would be around 160-165mph

Whilst the sport is geared (power permitting) to around 196mph.

Does this not mean that an fr will accelerate better in sixth when overtaking or on the motorway. (as above) If a sport had the power it will do 196mph when was the last time you saw an 196mph ibiza or if you did with a standard gearbox

 

[philsip]

Yeah,there's loads of things you can do to improve the handling,braking etc.You can even have more power if you want,but personally i think it's got more than enough as standard.
The readers rides section gives you an idea of the mods available.It all depends on how much free cash you've got i suppose(i don't have any). Also,theres a handy section on 'what goes wrong with the mk4's')

Well.I've done 62,000 miles in 3.5 years.Mileage is now 68,000.As everyone on here will tell you,the most important thing bar none-is your cambelt,tensioners and water pump change.Some say,4 years or 60k,others 80k and a whole load of other opinions.I got all 3 things done by Seat at 62,000 miles.Cost £330.Independants are cheaper,but the ones i phoned-only by a few quid.So i stuck to Seat.If you're buying a Sport,look for evidence(either in the service book,or preferably invoices)that it's been done.I've seen quite a lot of Sport's/early FR's for sale recently about the 60k mark.You can put your money on it,they were traded in to save the owner the cost of the belt change.A wise move,but if it snaps you'll rue the day you ever set eyes on it.

Not had anything major go wrong with it.Air con had to be regassed a couple of years ago.Drivers side heated mirror element went(warranty).Quite a few folk have had probs with the electric windows,but i've been fine so far.Pops bulbs more often than other cars,but nothing to worry about.Ben tolod it's going to need new rear discs and pads(still on the originals),and some front suspension bushes for it's MOT in Feb.Rear window exploded a couple of Winters ago,something to do with cold,heat and me shutting the tail gate!.Apart from that,it's been ultra reliable.Uses a wee drop of oil,but that's normal.

Make sure you try and get one with a full history,and that the correct PD oil has been used every 10k.
As others have said,it's a cracking car for the money,lots of good ones for sale on Autotrader. Just make sure the belt has been changed,or demand £300 off for the job.

The Sport is a brilliant little car.Mad as a bucket of frogs,but there's none better to put a smile on your face-for so little cash!.Happy hunting!.

VERY WELL SAID, having this car as my pride and joy, reading this has made my day

 

[the_fbi]

Does this not mean that an fr will accelerate better in sixth when overtaking or on the motorway.

Actually, max torque is at ~1850, so theoretically the Sport would be faster if you put your foot down at 70mph

Realistically however, they'll both drive the same, you'll just get better mpg from a Sport if driven at the same speed.

 

[T. Spark]

Does this not mean that an fr will accelerate better in sixth when overtaking or on the motorway. (as above) If a sport had the power it will do 196mph when was the last time you saw an 196mph ibiza or if you did with a standard gearbox

Its on the boost more, which in theory means in 6th at 40mph for example it would pick up faster in 6th than the sport yes, also means it uses more juice at higher speeds as is further up the revs.

The sport however wouldnt, from memory the sport gearbox is abit annoying on country roads as always having to change gear due to ratio's

Whilst we are on the subject, the PD130 Sport book figure top speed is actually in 5th gear, as in 6th it doesnt have enough power to go as quick...

129mph = 6th gear of the FR

Same cant be said for the sport, cant get there in 6th

 

[luna fr]

Actually, max torque is at ~1850, so theoretically the Sport would be faster if you put your foot down at 70mph

Realistically however, they'll both drive the same, you'll just get better mpg from a Sport if driven at the same speed.

Does torque take a straight dive once it hits peak or does it stay quite flat until about 3000rpm on the fr/sport (hence fr is already at peak or there abouts) sport won't hit peak until 1900rpm, and you don't need as much torque if the gearing is lower, do you think seat designed it like this to make the fr worse? as to mpg both are quoted as the same. are you a sport owner by any chance

 

[luna fr]

Yes you seem to see the point I was trying to make.

 

[TommyG]

financially i guess the sport is almost a better option but if im looking at buying a newer model i will be purchasing the fr as i am very keen on the new shape candy white frs and edgin towards one of these as i can see this as being a great long term buy

 

[the_fbi]

are you a sport owner by any chance

I'm sure my previous answers have made that obvious! Also my profile

Given what I use the Ibiza for (29k/year commute) the Sport made more sense. Better gearing for the road types I use (economy) combined with less depreciation/mile over an FR.

The other times the Ibiza isn't the right car, I'll use something quicker or larger as required.

 

[luna fr]

Thanks for clearing that up, now everyones happy

 

[sooty22]

even mine with the bigger turbo you dont need 6th gear.... it wil do almost 125mph at 4200rpm im 4th gear.... once you do get into 6th your doing silly speeds....

 

[Torquemonster]

VERY WELL SAID, having this car as my pride and joy, reading this has made my day

You're welcome!.No one ever posts our wee cars in the 'spotted' section.No one notices our wee anonymous Sports.But we're out there,on our 'stealth' missions.

 

[fr-tdi]

ive never been spotted either.





oh yea that cos im surrounded by mountains and everyone in my town drives a land rover.

 

[Torquemonster]

Just been looking at some pics of your car.Did you get it from Seat Glenrothes?.
If so,it's prob the same one i was going to see,till someone beat me to it!.

 

[fr-tdi]

Just been looking at some pics of your car.Did you get it from Seat Glenrothes?.
If so,it's prob the same one i was going to see,till someone beat me to it!.

i did however i got it brought in for me

i worked there when i bought it