Help please - cupra or fr??

[Georgel]

I don't have a problem with either car. I know which cars serve the best best use for each purpose. You keep commenting on the money aspect, but I put it to you a different way.

Two petrol Ibizas. Both with the same performance stats, but you can insure, tax, and run for less. You'd take the fuel guzzler right?

A clio cup 182 does 0 - 60 in 6.6 seconds and 0 - 100 in around 16.5. Thats with a perfect take off. A chipped ibiza can't be far behind that. I can do the 0 - 60 time easy, just probably not the 0 - 100. As for the Saxo, that is miles quicker, but its designed as a track car.

 

[Nath.]

well as I've said before..............

the insurance wasn't a problem for me even on a cupra, I tested both the fr and cupra petrol back to back and didn't like the ride in the cupra (too hard for my poor old back) and found the cupra a bit too manic looking for a fat ugly bloke as well if I'm honest

I did drive the fr derv before making my mind up but found the petrol a lot more refined and more able to rev through the gears as the derv seemed to need frantic gear changes keep it in the sweet spot and make good progress until you were at motory speeds when the 6th gear was ace

just when the fun starts 1500 revs later it's gone off the boil and another brisk gearchange is needed to get another short hit of power, so the derv wasn't for me as I like to have a nice long rev range and have time to pick off the next gear and have another nice long hit of power

pick the bones out of that

 

[Mr_Dave]

I'm going diesel next because I prefer the way it drives, nothing else. Insurance quotes for them.. Well.. Petrol is cheaper at 1500, derv is 1600.. The driving I do is getting more so I want (not NEED) the economy.. But I don't feel the need to thrash a car to it's limits all the time.
It's great to hear the sound of a well tuned petrol, and is a lot of fun, but at the end of the day, it depends on your driving style as to which you're going to prefer.

 

[Ad Lav]

I love both engines, I wouldn't mind a few extra rpm in the rev range and a nicer sounding engine/exhaust but we'll see... maybe in 2 years i'll come back to petrol

Apologies for upsetting you petrol people and 'potentially' ruining a thread...

Back on topic eh?!

Drive both and decide, your choice, we'll only start world war 3 if we continue here -

I love mine, you love yours - end of!

 

[Mr_Dave]

^^ well said. i know a guy that's just come back to petrol after 3 years in a diesel, and loves it. one of both would be great ;p

 

[Tallica]

Economy was not an option for me. I have owned quite a few petrol 'hot'
hatches over the years including a 306 Rallye and a Golf GTi 16v.
I would not swap my remapped FR TDi for either of them primarily as I hate to
have to rev the hell out of vehicles to get the optimum performance. Simple as.
The only answer is to try both 1.8T and 1.9TDi and decide which is best for you.
........................................but I bet you prefer the Derv.

 

[Nath.]

^^^^^^I didn't mate

 

[Ad Lav]

Here we go again...

 

[Georgel]

lol, everyone is entitled to their opinion so I don't wish to pick the bones out of your posts. I'd rather have the power there straight away when I need it, as I don't tend to use it that often. If you like to wait and rev right round to the red line then I fully understand that to. Obviously if you do as many miles as I do it can become a bit tedious, not to mention gas guzzling.

On a race track there’s no chance I would prefer the derv, petrol all the way for a cheap track car.

The only reason I didn't buy a Cupra was depreciation, in three years both a FR and a Cupra would be worth about £1500 - £2000. When you take into account the purchase price of £7500 as apposed to £10,500 for the same age a mileage it’s a big loss.

My girlfriend drives the Clio because she only does 5 miles a day, so a derv wouldn't even be warm by the time she got to work to return any fuel cost saving.

Drive both and make your decision. I did want a Cupra, that I can't deny.

 

[Poverty]

well as I've said before..............

the insurance wasn't a problem for me even on a cupra, I tested both the fr and cupra petrol back to back and didn't like the ride in the cupra (too hard for my poor old back) and found the cupra a bit too manic looking for a fat ugly bloke as well if I'm honest

I did drive the fr derv before making my mind up but found the petrol a lot more refined and more able to rev through the gears as the derv seemed to need frantic gear changes keep it in the sweet spot and make good progress until you were at motory speeds when the 6th gear was ace

just when the fun starts 1500 revs later it's gone off the boil and another brisk gearchange is needed to get another short hit of power, so the derv wasn't for me as I like to have a nice long rev range and have time to pick off the next gear and have another nice long hit of power

pick the bones out of that

we have the same views then. The fun range is just too short for me to enjoy
a diesel.

 

[Nath.]

^^^^^^^ 20VT

 

[spidermonkey]

lol, everyone is entitled to their opinion so I don't wish to pick the bones out of your posts. I'd rather have the power there straight away when I need it, as I don't tend to use it that often. If you like to wait and rev right round to the red line then I fully understand that to. Obviously if you do as many miles as I do it can become a bit tedious, not to mention gas guzzling.

On a race track there’s no chance I would prefer the derv, petrol all the way for a cheap track car.

The only reason I didn't buy a Cupra was depreciation, in three years both a FR and a Cupra would be worth about £1500 - £2000. When you take into account the purchase price of £7500 as apposed to £10,500 for the same age a mileage it’s a big loss.

My girlfriend drives the Clio because she only does 5 miles a day, so a derv wouldn't even be warm by the time she got to work to return any fuel cost saving.

Drive both and make your decision. I did want a Cupra, that I can't deny.

I assume those prices are for a 3 year old car?! Theres not so big a gap price wise between the FR and Cupra. Yes you can pick up 54 FR for 7.5k easily but a 54 Cupra, same miles can be had for under 9k, just check the A'Trader, plenty of them around.

I bought my Cupra TDi mainly beacuse it was cheaper to run for me than the petrol plus theres not so many of them about and I believe over the next few years will be a more desirable 2nd hand purchase so will actually hold its value proportionally better than the FR, but thats my opinion

As for Fr v Cupra, the cupra is more of a sport/performance car, the tech stats do not lie, SEAT built it to be a range topper over the FR but then its all down to personal preference if the difference between the two is big enough or better to justify the extra money for the Cupra.

 

[R1dd1ck]

This is down to personal preference anyway, depends what you do with your car... if you don't use it alot and love exhuasts/proper engine noises buy a petrol, if you do loads of miles buy a diesel, if have sex in it alot buy a mini van

If your having sex in it, make sure its an original old style mini van! More fun, less space!

Not like these german mini's.............psssh! hate them Bini's!

 

[Red Rum]

Ive got the Fr tdi and have tryed the fr petrol and im glad i got the derv. I need my daily hit of Torque good for body and soul

 

[Georgel]

I assume those prices are for a 3 year old car?! Theres not so big a gap price wise between the FR and Cupra. Yes you can pick up 54 FR for 7.5k easily but a 54 Cupra, same miles can be had for under 9k, just check the A'Trader, plenty of them around.

I bought my Cupra TDi mainly beacuse it was cheaper to run for me than the petrol plus theres not so many of them about and I believe over the next few years will be a more desirable 2nd hand purchase so will actually hold its value proportionally better than the FR, but thats my opinion

As for Fr v Cupra, the cupra is more of a sport/performance car, the tech stats do not lie, SEAT built it to be a range topper over the FR but then its all down to personal preference if the difference between the two is big enough or better to justify the extra money for the Cupra.

Mate I bought mine at the beginning of the year. Its an 05 and it was £7500 and under 2 years old, when I was looking the cupras were well over £10k and even more for a tdi. They were out of my price range. In 3 years time when they have done 120k theres going to be a lot of money lost in either car. I aggree the Cupra is more desirable as a second hand buy, thats reflected in the price. I am shocked if you can't see why I wasn't willing to pay 3k more for a Cupra. This is out my own pocket. I get paid per mile so its in my interest to have something reliable, good on fuel, fairly cheap to run and resellable.

 

[Mr Cellotape]

great thread, do another one Spicey

I wonder if he's still gonna buy a SEAT let alone still reading after all that

mines quicker than, no mines better than LAAAAAAAA, LAAAAAAAAA, not listening everyones wrong

Loving every minute of the argument.

Spicey, buy what you like. one has lots of torque, one doesn't have so much.

At the end of the day test drive a couple of golf GTI's on the Island, making sure one is the 1.8T (180bhp) and the other is the 1.9TDI (150bhp). that will give you a good indication of what everyone is shouting about.

PS, iirc the speed limit on the Islands is something like 30mph anyway. get a milk float

 

[Mr_Dave]

As for Fr v Cupra, the cupra is more of a sport/performance car, the tech stats do not lie, SEAT built it to be a range topper over the FR but then its all down to personal preference if the difference between the two is big enough or better to justify the extra money for the Cupra.

I know the FR is a lesser spec than a Cupra, but I've always wondered.. Why do Seat use the FR as a "flagship" over the Cupra? Noticed on all their literature etc they tend to show FR all over.. How come?

 

[rashcupra]

or you can have loads or torque and bhp at the same time with good mpg i done 11.5 hrs driving in 1 tank of fuel

 

[Georgel]

I've been converted, get a petrol. They are the best on fuel too.

 

[Tallica]

Ive got the Fr tdi and have tryed the fr petrol and im glad i got the derv. I need my daily hit of Torque good for body and soul

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