Fuel filter connectors ( petrol)

[sprintman]

My 54 reg car is on the original filter and although not done many miles decided to put it on the list to do. Got a Bosch three pipe replacement filter and you can se the pipes are just plain parallel stubs . Had a butchers on the car ( under the rear rh sill forward of the RH rear wheel, just where you put the car jack !!!! annoyingly ). The nice guy from Mr Haynes says the hoses are self sealing ? just give the hose ends a squeeze and remove the pipes ( after drain down ). Can anyone be more specific ? squeeze where ? radially with a pair of molegrips or similar ? Seeing as I was due to do a bit of a journey next day and the filter mounting clip fastener looked like it would need drilling out decided to do another day but would like some guidance from anyone with past experience. Thanking you in anticipation..................sprintman

 

[RUM4MO]

I have not got any experience, yet, but, have you moved on with this job at all? I looked and looked and finally decided that I had the 3 pipe filter, so ordered one in from VW, it comes with two O-ring seals, then as it looked like I might damage a fitting and my wife needs the car at least 6 days a week - I stopped all work on that task!

Some time later I saw a filter assembly on eBay, again proper VAG stuff so bought it and fitted the two together, really just to make sure I had minimised the possibility of ending up with VOR! I might even have bought a mounting bracket just in case it became a problem, also I noted that VAG sell repair kits for these pipe fittings - so it looks like they might just break/fail after removal.

Now, my wife is going away to Aus for a month, so as I have my car and my daughter (who is in Aus for a year) cars at my disposal, I might just take the plunge!

 

[sprintman]

Just back home after a few days away with work. I was passing my friendly local SEAT Dealership and popped in to see if they listed the elbows onto the filter pipes . They said no they are part of the fuel pipe and not only that but the pipes have to be bought in a group of three !!!! so if I have any probs I will be visiting the VAG dealership

 

[RUM4MO]

Right, what I meant to write was, first I bought a filter from VW (it is a Polo 1.4SE that my wife has) P/N 6Q0 201 511 , then I bought a 3 BAR fuel regulator via eBay P/N 6Q0 201 559, both of these parts came with a set of seals - ie 2-off for sealing them together, then I bought a retainer clip that holds them both together P/N 6Q0 201 398. This way, I could just remove 3-off pipes and replace the complete assembly. It sounds that you bought the complete assembly, ie filter with regulator which VAG list as P/N 6Q0 201 051. Now, I've looked up my old copy of ETOS and it lists, under the repair section for "fuel tank etc" a repair kit or two!. I've measured all the pipe stubs on my filter-regulator assembly and they are all just under 8.0mm, so I reckon repair kit 6Q0 298 260 applies to this assembly, this kit with a ref NW-8 comprises of "quick coupling pipe (green) + round seal 8mm + securing ring 16mm" - I'd reckon that is to repair only one faulty "quick coupling". You say Haynes refers to seal sealing, don't be fooled into thinking that these couplers are self sealing per say, what is meant is that they are push on to seal, when they are off fuel will flow out. Self sealing in my eyes means that when you release them they seal up/down stream. These parts, like the filter, regulator and retaining clip, will all need to get ordered in as there does not seem to be a known mileage/age point when replacement is recommended!! Still not fitted mine, I'd expect the assembly retainer to stay with the car - think I've looked at this already and worked that out using what I could see and what I have bought.

 

[RUM4MO]

sprintman, any movement on this yet, I'm running out of time doing other jobs when the temperature is not too hot (and buying 2011 S4!), but I'm getting through the Polo 9N jobs, brakes all cleaned, O/S steering rod replaced - just about to change N/S one - then it should be on to changing the fuel filter and having a look-see at the oil separator, well that is the plan!

Might order in a single push-on repair kit and some O-rings for the oils separator.

 

[sprintman]

Ibiza fuel filter..........one day ?

No sadly I also have been hiding behind the "its too hot" excuse. Just as the weather starts to abate a little I will be shortly shooting off with work commitments for a week or two so will not have the opportunity to address it for a little while yet. But will definitely be interested in your findings should you pluck up the courage to have a go yourself.
Incidentally, my fuel filter ( Bosch make ) has a pressure regulator built in ( 3 bar ) not a seperate unit as such also whereas I appreciate the term self sealing coupling usually refers to ,for example a Aeroquip male/female with a sprung collar these are "push on to seal" . What exactly stops them pushing back off when exposed to the 3 bar pressure ( 45 psi in old money ) ???

 

[RUM4MO]

I think, like any modern small air/fluid couplers, because there is a sliding sleeve that you need to move back or do something with, this sleeve will serve to lock the mated parts together, I'd guess as I've implied, a bit like these small push-on parts that you can assemble a pneumatic servo system from - they tend to survive the normal factory air line pressure (forgotten, used to expect 90+psi but I think it is more like 10Bar(g) ).

There was a lot of talk as to what filters were used where "is it a 3 pipe or a 2 pipe" sort of questions, but in reality, all I've seen on a VAG parts list for these (1.4 petrol) cars, where the regulator is close to the filter - or actually mounted with the filter, is the option to buy just the filter element or to buy the complete assembly, ie filter+seals+regulator+clip to hold them together.

Changing the second steering rod, the side not noted as being a problem on last year's MOT is taking too long! The gaitor sealing ring will not stop "running away" from the gaitor, time for a new plan of attack - then cut the grass!

 

[RUM4MO]

Well, I've got the fuel line repair kit, comprising a body + seal + circlip!

I could send you a couple of pictures of the kit if you message me your contact details, just in case you beat me to actually doing this job!

 

[sprintman]

Hi RUM4MO, great apologies for not getting back to you soonest, I work away two weeks at a time and when I came back the missus had somehow managed to either fry the pooter and when I fixed that found the Router was also affected and then back away again . Bingo six weeks gone , not only that but had an intermittent fault with my 955 Triumph and the only job done on the little Seat was changing out the two front suspension anti roll bar links. Any news on your fuel filter ?? will need to have another go before the weather turns.
Being a bit of a thicko do not know how to message contact off forum, can you not just add a picture to the replying post.....Sprintman

 

[RUM4MO]

No worries, I'll get a picture soon, just about to go away for the weekend so not now, but as far as I can remember, these bits that I bought will never normally be on show, so seeing them will mean nothing. Anyway, I have done nothing more about changing the filter+regulator, but, Car Mechanics November issue, covers servicing a Skoda Fabia MK2 1.2 and it seems to have the same fixing mechanism for these fuel lines and holding the filter, though not too informative other than "usual way of squeezing the retainer and pulling the pipes off etc". Maybe have a quick (free) look at that to give you some confidence. It is the current issue and has a bit about "oils" on the front cover. Seems like a piece of wee - well it always does I suppose. That article has a colour picture and you can clearly see the locking tab on the hose end connection. That car has now had its MOT with no advisories, which is good.

I'm probably just as thick as you by the way, I thought/think that this site does not allow the inserting of pictures on postings, it prefers "you" to host them on a picture holding site and just giving a link, that was why I suggested that you gave me contact details. On that subject, I think that most forums do hold "you" email address, and all you need to do is to make it visible to other forum users in your profile - this is just guess work at the moment! Or maybe you need to allow for personal messaging via this forum. I've just checked, private messaging looks like it has same restrictions as normal posting, ie probably can not send pictures directly, so maybe send me your personal email via private messaging and I can reply and attach these pictures if you want.

 

[sprintman]

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Will pick up the mag and have sent you a private message( I hope ! ) where you can send the photos to. Incidentally, just noticed amongst the icons above this block where you write your message there is one ( looks like a mountain peak ) that says "insert image", ? wonder how that works...............sprintman