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Fr 1.9TDI performance improvements?!
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try and track down posts by Unclefester he has a cupra tdi virually the same as a fr tdi he has done laods to his engine wise uprated his brakes etc check him out... just do a search for posts by him...
Hi all,
In my Ibiza i can't floor it under 2000rpm or i get flywheel judder so i always ease the power in untill after that point then floor it, the thing is my personal opinion is yes you get the car re-mapped to go faster and yes you buy the turbo to go faster and as devonmikeyboy rightfully said at some givven point yes they are going to fail, i think to a certain extent when that point is is completly down to the driver i.e if you start your car first thing in the morning and drive it like you stole it then obviously there is more chance of damage and if you drive the car hard for 2 hours then just pull straight up and turn the car straight off then your turbo is prob going to suffer, i just think there are certain things you can do to preserve certain parts on the car.
good luck tuning the Leon
In my Ibiza i can't floor it under 2000rpm or i get flywheel judder so i always ease the power in untill after that point then floor it, the thing is my personal opinion is yes you get the car re-mapped to go faster and yes you buy the turbo to go faster and as devonmikeyboy rightfully said at some givven point yes they are going to fail, i think to a certain extent when that point is is completly down to the driver i.e if you start your car first thing in the morning and drive it like you stole it then obviously there is more chance of damage and if you drive the car hard for 2 hours then just pull straight up and turn the car straight off then your turbo is prob going to suffer, i just think there are certain things you can do to preserve certain parts on the car.
good luck tuning the Leon
Arbs dont cost 600 unless you get amazing badboy ones
Get an amazing set fully fitted for £400
Agreed!Every uprated/stock clutch will start to fail after a set time. FACT
Every uprated/stock turbo will start to fail after a set time. FACT
Every part on every engine will start to fail after a set time. FACT
So do you drive carefully to save replacing your clutch so often?
Do you drive slower so as not to ware your tyres out so fast ?
Do you not brake so hard so as not to ware out your brake pads ?
So why did you get a remap ?
A) EVERY time! 40,000 miles is like 4 years life on average mileage... i dont even do 4,000 in a year.. so that 10 years... for me.. plus i will go thou at least 3 sets of tyres so that £600 in itself, then theres brakes pads and discs, then the servicing costs... all mounts up and extra £600 at end of 5 years.. I'm HAPPY to pay it out...
As does it so does everyone else.. but you it seems.
As mikey said, why get a remap?
T. Spark:
At the end of the day it's all about limiting the potential for something to fail.
By uprating parts around a mod that's what your essentially doing. No one is denying parts will fail eventually however its when they fail and the manor in which they fail. If they fail due to in appropriate research or opinion then its your own fault. Of course driving style plays a big part in this but like I have said before I want to be able to put my foot down at whatever revs and know the clutch isnt going to fail on me. Whether it fails in 40k miles or not doesn't matter as a clutch could be deemed as a consumable in a sense.........
At the end of the day it's all about limiting the potential for something to fail.
By uprating parts around a mod that's what your essentially doing. No one is denying parts will fail eventually however its when they fail and the manor in which they fail. If they fail due to in appropriate research or opinion then its your own fault. Of course driving style plays a big part in this but like I have said before I want to be able to put my foot down at whatever revs and know the clutch isnt going to fail on me. Whether it fails in 40k miles or not doesn't matter as a clutch could be deemed as a consumable in a sense.........
T. Spark
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Well looks like enough people 'agree' with you
If you could brake as hard, infact harder than before, but make you brakes last longer? Wouldnt you do that?
If you could go faster, but use less tyre, would you also do that?
Mikey - My remap doesnt mean I'll get clutch slip so why not?
Slick - I cover near on 25,000 miles a year thats a big difference.
Exactly, to quote a phrase used often in this thread "AGREED"
And thats my point, limiting the potentail for the clutch to fail, uprated or not will be to drop it down the gear, and use the power rather than torque.
If you could brake as hard, infact harder than before, but make you brakes last longer? Wouldnt you do that?
If you could go faster, but use less tyre, would you also do that?
Mikey - My remap doesnt mean I'll get clutch slip so why not?
Slick - I cover near on 25,000 miles a year thats a big difference.
jonjay said:
Exactly, to quote a phrase used often in this thread "AGREED"
And thats my point, limiting the potentail for the clutch to fail, uprated or not will be to drop it down the gear, and use the power rather than torque.
T.Spark your like my old woman, got an "answer" for everything....
I still dont know what your trying to implement here, i got the most of it, but above is like a chinese proverb lol
"When a tree falls in a forest with no one around, does it make a sound.."
Got an answer for that.. always gets her that one...lol
I still dont know what your trying to implement here, i got the most of it, but above is like a chinese proverb lol
"When a tree falls in a forest with no one around, does it make a sound.."
Got an answer for that.. always gets her that one...lol
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In an audacious attempt to get this back on topic...
I can vouch for the Porsche brakes! I got my setup from Awesome GTI - not cheap, but came with everything required. It's worth checking that your current carriers are not cast into the hub, otherwise you need to budget for a decent 2nd hand set to boot.
Performancewise, the brakes are awesome! To quote figures off the top of my head would be pointless, but lets just say they give you bags of confidence to drive your car quicker than you normally would in almost any given situation. They stop on a dime, and since having them fitted, the ABS must have kicked in all but a couple of times.
I've never experienced the Brembo setup so can't comment by comparison. Awesome GTI do a 6 pot Tarox kit for the same money, but it's said to be quite physically heavy.
Eitherway they're a must-mod... Once you've got the brakes, suspension, and ARBs sorted, you can have twice the fun without a remap!
T
i'm getting my car remapped tomorrow and i will be getting a a uprated clutch soon as well. I thought about not getting the clutch uprated and spending the money on other mods but having spent time reading all the threads on here i don't want to not get it done and then find out the clutch slips and i can't use the full potential of the remap. IMO whats the point of having a remap if you can't use all of the extra power? Unless your lucky and you have a remap and the clutch doesn't slip.
Before i get the uprated clutch, is a friction disc the same as a drive disc?
Before i get the uprated clutch, is a friction disc the same as a drive disc?
A comment on the clutch-slip issue.....
I have had a remap for a year now and had no slippage whatsoever though i was paranoid for a while due to reading so many posts like this one!
At most I have had a bit of 'judder' if car in too high a gear but i must have learnt to use the gears better as i have it no more.
I would still be wary of booting/flooring it under 1.5k revs but have done many many 'races' from stationary all through the gears and no hint of clutch-slip (touch wood).
I was nearly going to buy an uprated clutch last year after a thread like this but obviously it wasnt necessary!
My remap has been done by a reputable tuner in N.Ireland and is very smooth and not agressive so maybe thats an issue?
My advice is that if you have the cash change the clutch for peace of mind but your clutch is by no means guaranteed to go bust soon after a remap.
I dont feel now that i have to feather the throttle before 2k revs but sensible driving advice like being in the right gear and changing down (thats good for any car) will certainly prolong your present clutch's life.
Also if you have the cash for a clutch now why not just keep it in the bank for a while and see how it feels after the remap and if you end up getting slippage then use your savings for an uprated one??
I have had a remap for a year now and had no slippage whatsoever though i was paranoid for a while due to reading so many posts like this one!
At most I have had a bit of 'judder' if car in too high a gear but i must have learnt to use the gears better as i have it no more.
I would still be wary of booting/flooring it under 1.5k revs but have done many many 'races' from stationary all through the gears and no hint of clutch-slip (touch wood).
I was nearly going to buy an uprated clutch last year after a thread like this but obviously it wasnt necessary!
My remap has been done by a reputable tuner in N.Ireland and is very smooth and not agressive so maybe thats an issue?
My advice is that if you have the cash change the clutch for peace of mind but your clutch is by no means guaranteed to go bust soon after a remap.
I dont feel now that i have to feather the throttle before 2k revs but sensible driving advice like being in the right gear and changing down (thats good for any car) will certainly prolong your present clutch's life.
Also if you have the cash for a clutch now why not just keep it in the bank for a while and see how it feels after the remap and if you end up getting slippage then use your savings for an uprated one??
I think it would be best if you got the clutch first then get a remap to take advantage of the clutch. You can go the allards route and get the plate and friction disc however I'd recommend getting the full kit so there are no weak points.
How do you mean take advantage of the clutch jonjay?
Do you mean so the remap can be tailored to the new clutch?
Do you mean so the remap can be tailored to the new clutch?
Yes if you get a custom remap, the remap can be abit more potent.. as the clutch will work with it!
As i said before, the clutch is weak to start with on the Leon TDi for some reason (bar a few that get good ones, clutch lottery) i think personal all TDI remapped or not should have the Sach Organic clutch already fitted!
As i said before, the clutch is weak to start with on the Leon TDi for some reason (bar a few that get good ones, clutch lottery) i think personal all TDI remapped or not should have the Sach Organic clutch already fitted!
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He probably means so you can have a slightly more powerful remap (if custom), and you can 'boot it' at any revs in any gear without worrying quite as much.
I generally always change down a gear or two when I want to floor it anyway so I'm not gonna be uprating my clutch before I get a remap (I also can't afford it, lol). Hopefully the standard one will still last for a long time.
I generally always change down a gear or two when I want to floor it anyway so I'm not gonna be uprating my clutch before I get a remap (I also can't afford it, lol). Hopefully the standard one will still last for a long time.
I ran a standard clutch on a Revo mapped PD115, ie. 150BHP (although a friend had his on the rolling road and it made over 160BHP!?) for approx. 25,000miles with no problems whatsoever - I even had a cone filter and no MAF failure! ;o)
Now in it's Allarded form, I run an uprated friction disc, and it's solid. Whatever abuse, whatever conditions... it's never slipped - and my car's done 158,000miles!
T
Now in it's Allarded form, I run an uprated friction disc, and it's solid. Whatever abuse, whatever conditions... it's never slipped - and my car's done 158,000miles!
T
What do you call the full kit then ? Allards sell Helix clutches which includes pressure plate,drive disc,thrust bearings and SMF which you can buy seperately.
No, Mikey i think Jonjay meant by some people buying just the friction/pressure plate alot like Unclefester, not the whole clutch just the failing part as its a cheaper alternative, its not saying that you cant get the whole kit, coz you can... he knows that, coz hes going to get the whole kit from Allards..
hi all,
just wanted some advice really on improvements that can be done on my FR performance wise.
i arnt no money bags so would like to start with the cheaper things if there is any?!
also i here re-mapping get thrown around alot on here! what power would a re-mapp give extra and how much would you be looking to pay for one?
obiously loads of other things need up grading to...
just wondered if any1 with an Fr had made this jump...
kinda feeling bit **** at the moment cos one of my mates has just bought a new Focus ST 3and its like sh*t off a shovel. 2.5l engine. 225brake.
any ideas!?
just to finish this off.... i ended up buying a Cupra R and got it remapped to CC stage one at the weekend... will see him this weekend. race is on. (to 70mph obiously)
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