forge mk3 cupra FMIC vs SMIC, logs inside
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ibizacupra said:
For definate it's good for those turbo's, you'll see no disagreement from me on that
The point is (and it also notes your point on running the SMIC with IHI) that p-loss is also proportional to temperature (probably teaching you to suck eggs here, but i'll mention it for the thread discussion)
The more you cool the air coming out the turbine the greater the pressure drop.
Surely IHI suffered hugely under it's SMIC under sustained enthusiatic driving (due to timing retardation due to manifold temp sensor) and i'm thinking that higher revs suffered too
Dor.
Revo Kev said:
Yup. would agree with that
It also helps that when the forge is installed, the OEM pipework (much of it plastic and constrictive) is removed. That's why I like the kit so much. It doesn't just intercool better it flows better.
Dor.
Dormouse said:For definate it's good for those turbo's, you'll see no disagreement from me on that
The point is (and it also notes your point on running the SMIC with IHI) that p-loss is also proportional to temperature (probably teaching you to suck eggs here, but i'll mention it for the thread discussion)
The more you cool the air coming out the turbine the greater the pressure drop.
Surely IHI suffered hugely under it's SMIC under sustained enthusiatic driving (due to timing retardation due to manifold temp sensor) and i'm thinking that higher revs suffered too
Dor.
during quick power runs at Stealth on my SMIC with IHI, induction temps went from 27'C to 80'C I think from memory... car went like stink so pull was'nt evident, but back then I honestly could'nt tell anyhow, 320bhp was effing quick to me.
Dormouse said:Yup. would agree with that
It also helps that when the forge is installed, the OEM pipework (much of it plastic and constrictive) is removed. That's why I like the kit so much. It doesn't just intercool better it flows better.
Dor.
Not really conclusive, but not -ve either is the logging from the weekend on Ollys car. More airmass post FMIC fitment, but a couple.. (too offset this, ambient temps also 3'C colder when FMIC was run)
ibizacupra said:
Other factors considering, what extra flow did you see? as much as ballpark 10%?
Cheers
Dor.
Dormouse said:
LOL... no not exactly night and day different Chris..
from the spreadsheet raw data (in link above)
max airflow on SMIC was 164.2g/s and on FMIC 165.8g/s, a whole +1.6g/s
Ambient temps were 3'C lower when logging FMIC.
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Bill one chart the airmass and boost are labled wrong, 
the airmass was only 5 more on the forge, and the temp kept well down and had a slow increas at start were as SMIC shot up to high temps. i must add that the kit went together nice and easy, it just fits and works, and is ideal for my needs.
the airmass was only 5 more on the forge, and the temp kept well down and had a slow increas at start were as SMIC shot up to high temps. i must add that the kit went together nice and easy, it just fits and works, and is ideal for my needs.
ibizacupra said:LOL... no not exactly night and day different Chris..
from the spreadsheet raw data (in link above)
max airflow on SMIC was 164.2g/s and on FMIC 165.8g/s, a whole +1.6g/s
Ambient temps were 3'C when logging FMIC.
LOL
'Error Margintastic'
Pretty chilly logging weather then!
Dor.
Olly20VT said:Bill one chart the airmass and boost are labled wrong,
the airmass was only 5 more on the forge, and the temp kept well down and had a slow increas at start were as SMIC shot up to high temps. i must add that the kit went together nice and easy, it just fits and works, and is ideal for my needs.
this one... http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/ibiza-forge-fmic.pdf
swap labels about as Olly says..
Stupid Badger...
Dormouse said:LOL
'Error Margintastic'
Pretty chilly logging weather then!
Dor.
feck me.. I cant type for sh1t...
meant to say 3'C lower.... not 3'C
although tonight.. it probably would be 3'C
anyone want a stinking cold? had it for 2 weeks now.. fed up with it.
yeah i know it was abit chilly but i hope to do some more logs in the summer, but eaven in the cold (3'C) you can still see a big differance.
ibizacupra said:anyone want a stinking cold? had it for 2 weeks now.. fed up with it.
I don't think you have adapted to it yet. Have you disconnected yourself and waited for 5 minutes?
I'll get my coat.
Dor.
Dormouse said:I don't think you have adapted to it yet. Have you disconnected yourself and waited for 5 minutes?
I'll get my coat.
Dor.
snot-com lead is a bit guey now... Ewww..
Basic Settings, Reset Adaption snot limits
no response from controller..
bugger!
Olly20VT said:Bill one chart the airmass and boost are labled wrong,
the airmass was only 5 more on the forge, and the temp kept well down and had a slow increas at start were as SMIC shot up to high temps. i must add that the kit went together nice and easy, it just fits and works, and is ideal for my needs.
Fixed............
sorry about that...
another senior moment..
{edit-added a comparison before after on same graph ..}
SPOT the difference..
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Nice to see them both on the same graph, looks good.
Any chance you could E-mail the logs please? thank you.
Any chance you could E-mail the logs please? thank you.
Olly20VT, what is your sps3 boost setting ?
i see ~1b requested @5100rpm and still 0.8-0.85b @5800rpm, it's a bit higher than what lb9 setting request on mine.
i see ~1b requested @5100rpm and still 0.8-0.85b @5800rpm, it's a bit higher than what lb9 setting request on mine.
Olly20VT said:
You can download them..
(sorry only just seen this post)
you can download em from here>
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/LOG-01-003-011-115olly-v3.xls
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/LOG-01-011-020-115olly-v4.xls
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/LOG-01-115-011-003ibiza-olly2.xls
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/LOG-01-115-011-020ibiza-olly1.xls
regards
bill
i dont know as a i a friend did it for me and i cant remember what it was set to. it may be down to the DP and sports cat, bill can you shed some light on this? thanks for the graphs bill.
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