forge mk3 cupra FMIC vs SMIC, logs inside

[ibizacupra]

We ran a before and after (olly and I) on his REVO'd mk3 ibiza cupra.
Friday evening on std SMIC and tonight on Forge FMIC

data on raw spreadsheets here>>
SMIC from Friday logs
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/LOG-01-115-011-020ibiza-olly1.xls
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/LOG-01-115-011-003ibiza-olly2.xls

FMIC from Sunday logs
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/LOG-01-003-011-115olly-v3.xls
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/LOG-01-011-020-115olly-v4.xls


Summary before and after from some graphed logs, showing 3rd, 4th, 5th gear flat out pulls shows the Forge is working very well.
Standard SMIC
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/ibiza-std-smic.pdf

Forge FMIC
http://badger-5.com/bin/intercooler/ibiza-forge-fmic.pdf

Headline figures... 63'C on std SMIC vs 39'C on Forge FMIC

"it does what it says on the tin"

 

[cordobabrendy]

got to agree bill forge fmic just doesnt show any signs of heat on prolonged runs, very happy with mine (this log was pre n75F, used a C as comparison for boost.)
air mass inlet temp time revs engine load boost req boost act
8.17 30 58.31 2720 34.6 1060 960
51.44 30 59.21 3040 132.3 2270 1580
107.58 27 60.12 3760 188 2280 2300
143.08 24 61.02 4480 178.2 2210 2160
156.31 23 61.94 5160 165.4 2130 1980
165.78 22 62.93 5800 150.4 2000 1830
165.94 23 63.84 6280 138.3 1890 1790
168.08 23 64.75 6760 131.6 1860 1760
169.42 24 65.76 7080 68.4 990 1720

 

[Forbez]

Hmm nice,looks deffo like the forge is doin a very good job! Would be nice too see a comparison with the forge fmic, and the AM motorsport one aswell.

 

[Dormouse]

"it does what it says on the tin"

Yes, It's good. I just keep thinking 'what if'...as in what if ther was more space behind the crash bar and bumper for a leon thickness size core

Dor.

 

[m0rk]

there is on one side only...

 

[ibizacupra]

Yes, It's good. I just keep thinking 'what if'...as in what if ther was more space behind the crash bar and bumper for a leon thickness size core

Dor.

why?
It works no worse than my huge FMIC does.

Be preared to remove stuff to make it fit tho... even the forge one.

 

[m0rk]

you can't just 'cut' that lug. my favourite tool had to come out

 

[Dormouse]

there is on one side only...

Yer....fabricating that would be a bit of a nightmare! Still, Forge seem pretty capable though.

I'm wondering if it's not possible to make an adaption to have the SMIC going into the FMIC....

Of course the other thing is to see what the temps are as BHP goes up....

Dor.

 

[Dormouse]

why?
It works no worse than my huge FMIC does

Because if gives more flexibility to modify further. Not sure what FMIC your running at the moment bill, but I'm thinking that the flow and size of the forge core would not be suitable for your application. don't get me wrong. It's good. It's very good. But the physical size limitation of cramming it into the bay resticts it to a thin core. Whereas the Leon core is the size of the endcaps width wise.

Be preared to remove stuff to make it fit tho... even the forge one.

Oh I know....I have the photos'

Dor.

 

[Dormouse]

you can't just 'cut' that lug. my favourite tool had to come out

Are these posts going out of sync?

Dor.

 

[Forbez]

Dunno, but they are getting confusing!

What needs to be moved to fit the forge then?

 

[ibizacupra]

Yer....fabricating that would be a bit of a nightmare! Still, Forge seem pretty capable though.

I'm wondering if it's not possible to make an adaption to have the SMIC going into the FMIC....

Of course the other thing is to see what the temps are as BHP goes up....

Dor.

dual IC's generally have higher p-loss.

 

[PhilW]

What kind of power can be run using the forge FMIC? Would it be good for a BT?

I'll post up my comparisons when i get the log off grant from this weekend. Helped massively on the rollers this weekend at Westec.

See here...

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71764

 

[ibizacupra]

almost any FMIC will be better than the pathetic SMIC seat chose to fit on the mk3 cupra's.
size of a letterbox on SMIC is just dire and the ibiza's downfall.

larger DP/cat/zorst & FMIC and then ibiza's can work as well as any other 1.8T (but in the lightest factory supplied package)

Comparison of whats on the Mk3 Cupra, vs Golf/Leon vs a typical FMIC. Shockingly small as standard

 

[Dormouse]

dual IC's generally have higher p-loss.

True, But if it's a single pipe fabrication change then It's worth a try

Dor.

 

[Dormouse]

What kind of power can be run using the forge FMIC? Would it be good for a BT?

Unknown. Pete @ Forge recons it's good for 300.

BE aware that although it's sizable in width and height, it's a thin core. This means it's not spectacualrly larger in total core size then the original.

For Billy Big Power I think he had to move the Radiator / A/C Prerad and I think he may have even removed the A/C Prerad now...Bill?

Dor.

 

[ibizacupra]

p-loss is proportional to airflow so who knows what its "good for" but from the outside looks adequate for 99% of peeps on k0x type turbo's

 

[Forbez]

bill, you taking order's today?
I need to order some rbf600 and if you can still do them / get them made, some briaded brake hoses for the mk3 ibiza cupra.

Will ring once i'm out of this training course!!

 

[ibizacupra]

Unknown. Pete @ Forge recons it's good for 300.

BE aware that although it's sizable in width and height, it's a thin core. This means it's not spectacualrly larger in total core size then the original.

For Billy Big Power I think he had to move the Radiator / A/C Prerad and I think he may have even removed the A/C Prerad now...Bill?

Dor.

I ran std SMIC when originally IHI'd. It flowed enough to produce 320bhp 280lbft from 1.2bar boost back then.
Cant imagine a forge FMIC working worse than that, including airflow.

 

[Revo Kev]

Although the original IC is small, it's location is what really lets it down... I've seen a couple of Forge FMICs on Ibiza's now and they work really well.