DSG vs Manual really same 0-60 ttimes?

[silles]

I'm finding it hard to believe that both DSG and manual have 0-60 stated as 8s for FR 150 TSI

DSG has 7 speeds and shorter gear, reaches 60 in 3rd gear
Manual has 6 speeds and reaches 60 in 2nd gear

Should be the DSG much faster?

 

[ray]

I think the DSG is faster than its manual counterpart, just from memory in other models the DSG is more economical and 0-60 times, the opposite of the old fashioned automatics with their clever dual clutch system. Absolute sorcery.

I've always loved manuals but after driving an evo X around a race track I'll absolutely consider DSG for my next Car.


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[SteveFR]

According to the latest brochure, my 1.8 TSi with DSG should be 0.3 of a second quicker to 60mph than the manual shift.

However I now see that the difference is 0.4secs in the 1.0 TSi and nowt in the 1.4 TSi, even though all use the same DQ200 7 speed gearbox

 

[Speed-FReek]

Both the 1.0 TSI and 1.8 TSI may use the same "type" of gearbox (DQ200), but there will be different gearbox transmission codes for the DQ200 gearbox and each one will have different gearing ratios to suit the engine it is fitted to.

The DQ200 fitted to the 1.8 TSI clearly has ratios that allow it to get up to 60 slightly quicker then a manual box on the equivalent engine, whereas the DQ200 fitted to the 1.0 TSI doesn't.

 

[Kraken]

Depends how the ratios are tuned. My 1.8 TSI Manual does 65mph in 2nd gear on the limit. I can consistently in this good weather get 0-60mph times of 6.6 seconds and have plenty of proof to back this up. The general vibe from my car is 34mph 1st gear 65 mph 2nd gear 103mph 3rd gear. I didn't think DSG had shorter gears? My manual just feels like all the powerband is there right from 1250 up to 6200.

In short, no they should be different times, but the actual real life figures will depend on slight variations to the cars tune and manufacturing process.

 

[Pops848]

Thinking logically a clever auto box should always be quicker than a manual - mainly because of the driver. Us mere mortals stamp our foot down and the gearbox calculates the right amount of slip and perfect point to change up.
However, manufacturer stated times are lab tests, so whatever happens on the real road could be quiet different?

 

[Curtly]

I can never seem to shift as fast as a dsg - they'll no doubt be quicker to 60 as they don't have hardly any pause in acceleration whilst changing.
As far as brochure times are concerned, don't forget that seat loves to make numbers up as they go and just pick and chose

 

[silles]

on youtube search for "seat leon fr 1.4 dsg 0-60"

video id is:
watch?v=yKIeRCH4GGg ( cannot post a link here for some reason)

1-2-3 and reached 100km/h (60) in 3rd gear, that's clearly a different gear ration than the manual

 

[Pops848]

I can never seem to shift as fast as a dsg - they'll no doubt be quicker to 60 as they don't have hardly any pause in acceleration whilst changing.
As far as brochure times are concerned, don't forget that seat loves to make numbers up as they go and just pick and chose

Nothing like a VW company to make up coughemissionscough figures

 

[Sonofzelda]

6 does not equal 7 therefore at least one dsg ratio has to be different. Without further information that's all you can assume - Mr Logic.

 

[silles]

1.8 TSI 180

1th gear ratio:3,78:1
2th gear ratio:2,06:1
3th gear ratio:1,45:1
4th gear ratio:1,11:1
5th gear ratio:0,88:1
6th gear ratio:0,73:1

DSG
1th gear ratio:3,76:1
2th gear ratio:2,27:1
3th gear ratio:1,53:1
4th gear ratio:1,12:1
5th gear ratio:1,18:1
6th gear ratio:0,95:1
7th gear ratio:0,80:1

this is from cars-data dot com, could not find it for 1.4 150 DSG, so went for 1.8. I assume they have the same ratio

edit: yes, all petrol seems to have same ratios, just found the 1.2 105 BPH ratios are the same as 1.8

 

[philmots]

The DSG will change gear quicker, but the cars isn't really going to be any faster in gear, there will be points where one will be quicker than others at certain revs due to gearing differences etc.. but to buy a DSG thinking it's going to feel any quicker you'd be hugely disappointed.

 

[silles]

I already have the DSG and it feels pretty fast, faster than 8 s to 0-60

once u get over the turbo lag

 

[Snah]

Just try this:
With a manual do 10x a 0-60Mph and try to shift flawless as fast as possible these 10 times: won't happen.

Take a DSG box and do 10x a 0-60Mph: always the same flawless gearchanges without the "nodding" when shifting.

This is the real difference.

 

[KXL]

Slightly off topic here, but Polo GTI manual has 320NM, Polo GTI DSG, is 'limited' to 250NM on gearbox. But they have same 0-60 times? How?

Maybe they really are making up launch times. Like fuel consumption figures.

Saying that however, it is possible to meet (or nearly meet) the fuel consumption figures...when there is very little or no traffic, especially the city and combined figure...however till today I have not been able to meet the 'extra urban' figures.

My best in city for 2.0 TDI over average 13 miles was 52 mpg, and once 64 mpg average (over 18 miles) on 30-40mph roads.

On 1.0 TSI, done 50 mpg average same city conditions, and once 60mpg average on mix-driving (over 20 miles) mainly 30-50mph zones. It was sooo boring though...

Mind you 'official figures' for both 2.0 TDI Dsg & 1.0 TSI Dsg are 64mpg.

Don't forget the spec is the 'minimum' you can expect. Eg...150PS with base 'supermarket/95RON fuel.' Put some good fuel, Vpower/Momentum99...who knows, perhaps nearer to 160?

Just my 2 cents!

 

[KXL]

Saying that, when Seat Leon Cupra went for the 'Ring Record,' they used a manual car, and the test driver (from the youtube video) shifts oh so fast! I guess in these conditions every kg counts, so I guess the extra weight of the DSG gearbox was a no no...

 

[surrealjam]

I think most people will struggle to do the quoted 0-60 in a manual. The opposite is true of the DSG - most of the quoted figures are on the conservative side.

In real terms, though (ignoring 0-60) a manual feels faster to me. Probably because it always does what you want where even the best autos will sometimes catch you by surprise.

My current car is a DSG. Fairly sure I'll go back to a manual - when the world goes electric we won't have a choice!

 

[silles]

Just try this:
With a manual do 10x a 0-60Mph and try to shift flawless as fast as possible these 10 times: won't happen.

Take a DSG box and do 10x a 0-60Mph: always the same flawless gearchanges without the "nodding" when shifting.

This is the real difference.

very good point !!!

so probably the handbook should say: 0-60 8+ for manual

actually just realized it says 7.9 for DSG and 8.0 for M so DSG is faster

 

[Kraken]

We still talking 150 fr times btw? Mates 1.8 dsg does consistent 6.7-6.8s and i do consistent 6.5-6.6 in my manual 1.8. I think the above ratios must factor in the fact i only need to be in 2 gears (2nd goes up to 64mph in mine), his shifts around 56 into 3rd.

Brochure quotes 7.5s which i've never been near. Wonder how they do the test? Even without priming the turbo @2k RPM it still gets under 7s...hmm.

 

[nbullus]

Also depends in what mode you have your DSG in.

If you override full auto and use the semi auto mode with the paddles you can push much further in each gear compared to what the fully auto mode would allow.