Cupra MK4 owners - thoughts and observations after living with the car for a while

.Griff.

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I'm conscious that Thursday will mark the six month anniversary of me owning my Cupra Leon 1.4 eHybrid VZ2 5dr DSG. Like most new owners I posted a lot on here when I took ownership but I've not really posted much since.

I did consider posting a six-month reflection post but read my draft and wasn't overly sure how it would be received so opted, for now, not to proceed. That being said I am curious how people have found living with and using their Mk4 Cupras once the initial excitement has worn off.

Are you still passionately in love with the car? Have you had any major issues? Any annoyances?
 
Nov 19, 2021
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Annoyances:
Cupra Connect (upgraded app on my phone and now I have to go to a dealer to prove who I am)
Infotainment makes things harder than it needs to and still has annoying bugs (most recent one is no audio via Apple CarPlay, have to turn the volume down and up for it to work again)
Swipe bars for volume and temp are stupid and do not work consistently
Something in the steering makes a rubbing/scraping noise when close to full lock. I’ve got less than 1500 miles clocked up so giving it a couple more weeks to see if it quietens down before taking to a dealer.

Loves:
Handling is spot on
Performance is better than expected
Seats are nigh-on perfect
MPG could be a lot worse!


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bbglan

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Annoyances:
Cupra Connect (upgraded app on my phone and now I have to go to a dealer to prove who I am)
Infotainment makes things harder than it needs to and still has annoying bugs (most recent one is no audio via Apple CarPlay, have to turn the volume down and up for it to work again)
Swipe bars for volume and temp are stupid and do not work consistently
Something in the steering makes a rubbing/scraping noise when close to full lock. I’ve got less than 1500 miles clocked up so giving it a couple more weeks to see if it quietens down before taking to a dealer.

Loves:
Handling is spot on
Performance is better than expected
Seats are nigh-on perfect
MPG could be a lot worse!


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I also get a scraping noise. Mines back in next week as not happy with one of the doors but might mention that noise too. I had also put it down to wearing in as just over 1k on mine
 

Cupra_2019

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Interestingly I also get the rubbing/scraping noise at near full lock.

One of my main annoyances is the height of the full beams. It seems so much lower than any other LED headlight I've seen. Not great for spirited country road driving as I found out last night. Not sure if it's to do with the shape of the actual headlight as they seem a lot more inset than on my previous Cupra.
 

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I reckon I can guess what he thinks from his previous posts haha - the roulette comment worries me the most with one on order!!

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Here's a new one - it was chilly last night (!) - this morning the flap on the charging socket won't stay shut. If I lock the car holding it closed it does lock shut, but on unlocking the car it pops open again (clearly, I can't get into the car without unlocking it, except for Dukes-of-Hazzard stylee). Oddly, no warning inside the car that the flap is open.
Once the car has warmed up in the sun, normal operation is resumed.

Arrrghhh!
 

.Griff.

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i think you should post your thoughts.

I did copy/paste what I intended to post into Notepad and then my PC did an update and I lost it all so I'll collate my thoughts again when time allows.

It wasn't necessarily all bad. The sentiment behind my post was that as a cheap form of transport to simply get from A to B it did the job ok, albeit with a lot of frustration along the way.

I'll post something when I have more than 2 minutes to spare.
 

Sarah

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I'm conscious that Thursday will mark the six month anniversary of me owning my Cupra Leon 1.4 eHybrid VZ2 5dr DSG. Like most new owners I posted a lot on here when I took ownership but I've not really posted much since.

I did consider posting a six-month reflection post but read my draft and wasn't overly sure how it would be received so opted, for now, not to proceed. That being said I am curious how people have found living with and using their Mk4 Cupras once the initial excitement has worn off.

Are you still passionately in love with the car? Have you had any major issues? Any annoyances?
I haven't posted for a while but I do like to read how people are going on with their car and am interested to see what the mk 4 estate is like (the petrol one, not the ehybrid I had).

I didn't really post my thoughts as everyone seemed very excited about the phevs and I didn't want to be a negative Nancy but I ended up being disappointed with my Cupra ehybrid estate first edition. I think I kept it under 3 months and changed back to a 330d in Nov/Dec 21.
I would have bought the fast petrol Cupra mk4 estate but there weren't any available at the time.

Good things;
It looked nice in the grey (it was supposed to be metallic but wasn't. It was a very flat colour with no metallic flake but that was minor).
I hadn't had blind spot recognition in a car and I enjoyed having that. I really liked that.
The ambient lighting was nice on the wraparound dash when it worked.
It was nice to have a car that was quite rare. I didn't see any others.

Disappointing things;
The speakers distorted even at low volume. Even just talking, not boom boom music.
The ambient lighting didn't always work when the lights came on. I would have to go into settings to change the colour and that would wake it up.
The reversing camera lens fell out of the housing altogether when I was washing it one day.
The parking sensors would show an error on the infotainment display saying inoperational.
The speed recognition thing didn't work correctly on the display. It would usually show the wrong speed limit (30 mph would show as 90 mph)
There was a noise/groan coming from the front end on turning that didn't sound right
The heating/cooling system didn't work right. If I set it to cold, it would be red hot (the vents would get too hot to touch) and vice versa, set to hot, it would be very cold.
I tried to get on with the infotainment system by giving it voice controls for volume and heating/cooling and could have lived with that (if the heating/cooling had worked right).
It was advertised as being around 245 bhp as I recall but never felt quick really. It felt a boring drive.
I didn't buy the ehybrid for the advertised mpg but it wasn't very good on petrol.
I didn't realise that it would need plugging in after every single journey and found that a bit of a pain too. I thought the electric charge would last longer using more petrol but that is probably my misunderstanding of what I was expecting from it. I still can't see the point of having all of the electric battery gubbings etc and cost of future maintenance repair on it to only get 20 odd miles charge when it's fully charged and new before it starts to degrade with age.
I hated the fact that it was so quiet. I think the sound generator sounds ridiculous. I realise the quietness is the whole electric thing and we will have to get used to it one day but it showed me that I'm going to hang onto non electric cars as long as I can.

I decided to sell it while the hype was still high for them and part ex'd it. I looked at it and I thought it wasn't worth the nearly £30k I had paid for it so sold it for more and bought the bmw and put cash back into my savings.

I'm still interested to read about the petrol mk4 cupras but the ehybrid wasn't the right one for me.

Just remembered something else. The side mirror tilted down on reverse as it should which was good but then it wouldn't stop moving for a while after, it would tilt up/down/up/down/up/down/. It got a bit too excited at the thought of reversing and couldn't stop moving
 
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Nice to read such an honest review. You said, "It was advertised as being around 245 bhp as I recall but never felt quick really. It felt a boring drive."

I can relate to that. I was about to order an e-hybrid, but there wasn't one I could test drive. So I drove a Golf GTE, and it was nothing like I had imagined. Despite the electric power, it felt a bit weak compared to a GTI with 230 hp. But the handling was good and I didn't really feel the extra weight. Finally, I ordered the 2.0 TSI 245hp version.
 
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.Griff.

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So my thoughts after six months and 3k miles. My circumstances changed dramatically about 2 years ago (you can guess why) and I have been working from home ever since. As a result, when it came to purchasing a new car last summer I simply needed something that would be reliable, would enable me to do the shopping, drive the Mrs to work and back and the occasional longer journey to visit family and/or take UK breaks.

I ended up choosing the 2021 Cupra Leon e-HYBRID DSG-auto 245 as it was cheap and the electric range, as pitiful as it is, was sufficient for 90% of my journeys.

As a tool to transport me and my fiancee from A to B in relative comfort, and cheaply, it achieves the task. We're on the Octopus Go tariff so it costs me about 50p to charge the car in the early hours of the morning. This charge is sufficient for me to take the Mrs to work and pick her up in the evening and do some daily shopping along the way.

That being said it's one of the most if not the most, frustrating cars I've ever owned. In the last six months, I've noted the following 'issues' - (There's maybe more I've simply forgot, note the comment about apathy at the end)

Heating Controls - The touch controls are a joke. Not only can you not see them in other dark but even during the day when you can see them they don't respond on occasions. On numerous occasions, I've been unable to change the temperature unless I power cycle the car. Sometimes the heating is synced between driver and passenger, sometimes it's not. Sometimes we'll go to the shops, park, come back to the car and the heating has been running the whole time, other times it doesn't.

Volume Controls - On several occasions, the volume controls (touch and on the steering wheel) fail to respond. If my fiancee takes a work call while I'm driving I'll do the courteous thing and mute the music but on numerous occasions, nothing happens and I have to pull over and power cycle the car.

Persistent Notification - Each and every time I get into the car it will prompt me, via the red dot, that I have a notification. This is simply a notification to inform me my data has expired (I took out a three-month data plan when I got the car mostly out of curiosity). However even if the "Delete" the notification or "Delete all" it will reappear every time I get into the car and I simply can't get rid of it. Cupra suggests it needs a dealer visit simply to clear the notification.

Driver Profile(s) - I'm the only driver so I only use one key. The other is safely stored away in the house and has never been used apart from the very first day where you need both in the car to set up the main driver profile. I just wanted to clarify that before someone suggests the "wrong key" is the culprit of the following.

90% of the time I'll unlock the car and when I get in it displays the "Hello Griff" message and it logs me into my profile. However, on numerous occasions, it's been "stuck" in the guest profile and refuses to switch to the primary profile. That's not the end of the world however on two or three occasions it's switched profiles as I'm driving the car.

On Saturday I was on a rare 'long' drive, using AndroidAuto/Google Maps for navigation and following directions. Without warning the car displayed a privacy notice on the infotainment system and switched me into the guest profile. This resulted in AndroidAuto/Google Maps disappearing at the very moment I was relying on it for directions.

Parking/Proximity Sensors and Reversing Camera - It is not uncommon for a message to appear saying something is temporarily unavailable. I can't correlate this to weather conditions, car conditions or road conditions. It just feels that on occasion the car will decide a sensor is unavailable before it works again. On a few occasions, the reversing camera hasn't appeared on the screen and/or the screen freezes albeit that's very rare.

Cupra Connect - It feels like I'm Beta testing this app. Issues with the app not storing credentials and it taking ages to open aside, once I'm in the app it's a lottery as to whether any given feature will work or not. With the frosty mornings we've been having I'll tend to open the app to remotely start heating. Sometimes this works, sometimes the app presents an error. Furthermore even if it "works" in the app sometimes I'll go out to the car 15 minutes later and the heating isn't on, sometimes it is on.

Car "Auto-Braking" - I'm probably somewhat unique in the sense that I garage my car overnight and have done for all my previous cars. I always reverse the car into the garage, to make charging and entry/exit of the car easier, and as a result, the car/proximity sensors will detect the opening of the garage door and warn me according. I've reversed into my garage over 1500 times (in this and previous cars) so I'm fairly confident I know what I'm doing but on four or five occasions the Leon has slammed the brakes on as I'm reversing. Obviously, I'm only travelling at low speed but when you're concentrating on your mirrors and reversing camera the car slamming the brakes on comes as quite a shock!

Battery/Hybrid Mode - Being a PHEV the car provides the option to manually choose between "Battery" or "Hybrid" mode. As most of my daily journeys are fairly local it makes sense for me to undertake these journeys in electric mode, just as I did this morning. However, and as others have documented on here, on occasions the car will switch to "Hybrid mode" and engage the engine. There are certain conditions where it will do this such as 'kick down' but seemingly at random without changing my driving style and regardless of battery percentage it sometimes engages the engine.

I assume this may be related to battery conditioning or some other reason but it's a bit frustrating that you have the option to select battery only mode for the car to then decide you know what, I'll engage the engine instead. Stopping the car, power cycling it "fixes" the issue but it's not always feasible to pull over and do this.

Weird Noises - There are weird noises emanating from the engine bay. I can only assume they may be PHEV and/or battery conditioning related but it's a bit odd and offputting to hear quite loud "whirring" and "clicking" noises. Several people have asked me what's broken but the car has done it since day one and I can't see anything moving/catching/loose so I assumed all PHEVs make these noises. Maybe not?!?

Conclusion - As I said at the outset it's a practical and cheap method of transport to get from A to B but, for me at least, that's all it is.

Unlike my previous cars which were more than just a tool, I have very little, if any, emotional attachment with the Cupra. The days of washing and detailing my cars at the weekends and driving them simply out of sheer pleasure have evaporated and I think I've washed the Cupra twice in six months such is the lack of engagement I have with the car.

I'm sure in time a lot of the 'issues' will be fixed with future software/firmware updates and maybe there are even updates to address some of them now but such is my apathy around the car I'm not rushing to take a day off work to take it to the nearest dealership.

It should be noted that the above are merely my own observations and they're certainly not intended as complaints or harsh criticism. It's also probably fair to say some of the issues may be unique to my car and other people may have experienced issues of their own I've not encountered. Ultimately if all of the issues were fixed overnight would that change how I feel about the car, probably not.
 
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@.Griff. - really interesting to read your experiences with your car. I’m on a few VW forums and there’s lots of commonality between your experiences and those of mk8 Golf owners; not surprising really, bearing in mind that the Leon and Golf share the same platform and software.

Some mk8 Golf owners have had the much anticipated major software fix applied to their cars. Early indications are that it does fix many of the issues but seemingly, not all of them. One UK owner has been getting 80 kph speed limit warnings displayed on a road with a 50 mph speed limit after having the software update applied to their car.

It’s such a shame that the current Leon / Golf / Octavia has these issues, as dynamically they’re great driving cars, seriously let down by software that’s not fit for purpose (I read somewhere that the A3 uses slightly different software, so maybe it’s not suffering quite the same issues?).
 

Sarah

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So my thoughts after six months and 3k miles. My circumstances changed dramatically about 2 years ago (you can guess why) and I have been working from home ever since. As a result, when it came to purchasing a new car last summer I simply needed something that would be reliable, would enable me to do the shopping, drive the Mrs to work and back and the occasional longer journey to visit family and/or take UK breaks.

I ended up choosing the 2021 Cupra Leon e-HYBRID DSG-auto 245 as it was cheap and the electric range, as pitiful as it is, was sufficient for 90% of my journeys.

As a tool to transport me and my fiancee from A to B in relative comfort, and cheaply, it achieves the task. We're on the Octopus Go tariff so it costs me about 50p to charge the car in the early hours of the morning. This charge is sufficient for me to take the Mrs to work and pick her up in the evening and do some daily shopping along the way.

That being said it's one of the most if not the most, frustrating cars I've ever owned. In the last six months, I've noted the following 'issues' - (There's maybe more I've simply forgot, note the comment about apathy at the end)

Heating Controls - The touch controls are a joke. Not only can you not see them in other dark but even during the day when you can see them they don't respond on occasions. On numerous occasions, I've been unable to change the temperature unless I power cycle the car. Sometimes the heating is synced between driver and passenger, sometimes it's not. Sometimes we'll go to the shops, park, come back to the car and the heating has been running the whole time, other times it doesn't.

Volume Controls - On several occasions, the volume controls (touch and on the steering wheel) fail to respond. If my fiancee takes a work call while I'm driving I'll do the courteous thing and mute the music but on numerous occasions, nothing happens and I have to pull over and power cycle the car.

Persistent Notification - Each and every time I get into the car it will prompt me, via the red dot, that I have a notification. This is simply a notification to inform me my data has expired (I took out a three-month data plan when I got the car mostly out of curiosity). However even if the "Delete" the notification or "Delete all" it will reappear every time I get into the car and I simply can't get rid of it. Cupra suggests it needs a dealer visit simply to clear the notification.

Driver Profile(s) - I'm the only driver so I only use one key. The other is safely stored away in the house and has never been used apart from the very first day where you need both in the car to set up the main driver profile. I just wanted to clarify that before someone suggests the "wrong key" is the culprit of the following.

90% of the time I'll unlock the car and when I get in it displays the "Hello Griff" message and it logs me into my profile. However, on numerous occasions, it's been "stuck" in the guest profile and refuses to switch to the primary profile. That's not the end of the world however on two or three occasions it's switched profiles as I'm driving the car.

On Saturday I was on a rare 'long' drive, using AndroidAuto/Google Maps for navigation and following directions. Without warning the car displayed a privacy notice on the infotainment system and switched me into the guest profile. This resulted in AndroidAuto/Google Maps disappearing at the very moment I was relying on it for directions.

Parking/Proximity Sensors and Reversing Camera - It is not uncommon for a message to appear saying something is temporarily unavailable. I can't correlate this to weather conditions, car conditions or road conditions. It just feels that on occasion the car will decide a sensor is unavailable before it works again. On a few occasions, the reversing camera hasn't appeared on the screen and/or the screen freezes albeit that's very rare.

Cupra Connect - It feels like I'm Beta testing this app. Issues with the app not storing credentials and it taking ages to open aside, once I'm in the app it's a lottery as to whether any given feature will work or not. With the frosty mornings we've been having I'll tend to open the app to remotely start heating. Sometimes this works, sometimes the app presents an error. Furthermore even if it "works" in the app sometimes I'll go out to the car 15 minutes later and the heating isn't on, sometimes it is on.

Car "Auto-Braking" - I'm probably somewhat unique in the sense that I garage my car overnight and have done for all my previous cars. I always reverse the car into the garage, to make charging and entry/exit of the car easier, and as a result, the car/proximity sensors will detect the opening of the garage door and warn me according. I've reversed into my garage over 1500 times (in this and previous cars) so I'm fairly confident I know what I'm doing but on four or five occasions the Leon has slammed the brakes on as I'm reversing. Obviously, I'm only travelling at low speed but when you're concentrating on your mirrors and reversing camera the car slamming the brakes on comes as quite a shock!

Battery/Hybrid Mode - Being a PHEV the car provides the option to manually choose between "Battery" or "Hybrid" mode. As most of my daily journeys are fairly local it makes sense for me to undertake these journeys in electric mode, just as I did this morning. However, and as others have documented on here, on occasions the car will switch to "Hybrid mode" and engage the engine. There are certain conditions where it will do this such as 'kick down' but seemingly at random without changing my driving style and regardless of battery percentage it sometimes engages the engine.

I assume this may be related to battery conditioning or some other reason but it's a bit frustrating that you have the option to select battery only mode for the car to then decide you know what, I'll engage the engine instead. Stopping the car, power cycling it "fixes" the issue but it's not always feasible to pull over and do this.

Weird Noises - There are weird noises emanating from the engine bay. I can only assume they may be PHEV and/or battery conditioning related but it's a bit odd and offputting to hear quite loud "whirring" and "clicking" noises. Several people have asked me what's broken but the car has done it since day one and I can't see anything moving/catching/loose so I assumed all PHEVs make these noises. Maybe not?!?

Conclusion - As I said at the outset it's a practical and cheap method of transport to get from A to B but, for me at least, that's all it is.

Unlike my previous cars which were more than just a tool, I have very little, if any, emotional attachment with the Cupra. The days of washing and detailing my cars at the weekends and driving them simply out of sheer pleasure have evaporated and I think I've washed the Cupra twice in six months such is the lack of engagement I have with the car.

I'm sure in time a lot of the 'issues' will be fixed with future software/firmware updates and maybe there are even updates to address some of them now but such is my apathy around the car I'm not rushing to take a day off work to take it to the nearest dealership.

It should be noted that the above are merely my own observations and they're certainly not intended as complaints or harsh criticism. It's also probably fair to say some of the issues may be unique to my car and other people may have experienced issues of their own I've not encountered. Ultimately if all of the issues were fixed overnight would that change how I feel about the car, probably not.
I forgot about it slamming the brakes on while reversing. Mine did that too when I was reversing out of my drive between two walls. The first time it did it was quite a shock when it jolted to a stop and I wasn't in danger of hitting the wall. It was actually the narrowest car I've had up and down the drive.
Another positive I've thought of though, I did love the light bar on the rear of it.
I wondered if the new Octavia vrs was having similar issues as when I viewed those, it looked like a similar interior. The post above looks like they share the same equipment. I would expect the petrol vrs to be a more exciting drive than the ehybrid though. It wasn't very 'cupra'.
 
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Adam1992

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@.Griff. everything you have mentioned is the gripes I have with mine.

Me and the misses call this cupra "The grandad cupra" after coming from the 290. We went for the hybrid due to not really needing as much power, and a bit more fuel economy as we tend to go hiking on the weekends.

Sadly this car is missing both of them half the time it feels sluggish, I have to leave a huge gap to pull out on a roundabout as im not sure if it's going to set off or wait a second to decide what gear and fuel it would like to use, and with the fuel economy the battery barely does 14 miles some days. I'd be happy to even get low 20s.

The biggest thing I miss if the ease of getting in and going. I have to sit and wait for the infotainment to start up, then wait for it to be responsive enough to allow android auto to power up and then usually select the correct profile as it can never remember who I am.

If anyone was looking at getting cupra ehybrid I'd steer well clear of it. It's not worth the money for what you get out of it.
 
Nov 19, 2021
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Annoyances:
Cupra Connect (upgraded app on my phone and now I have to go to a dealer to prove who I am)
Infotainment makes things harder than it needs to and still has annoying bugs (most recent one is no audio via Apple CarPlay, have to turn the volume down and up for it to work again)
Swipe bars for volume and temp are stupid and do not work consistently
Something in the steering makes a rubbing/scraping noise when close to full lock. I’ve got less than 1500 miles clocked up so giving it a couple more weeks to see if it quietens down before taking to a dealer.

Loves:
Handling is spot on
Performance is better than expected
Seats are nigh-on perfect
MPG could be a lot worse!


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Now circa 2000 miles and the rubbing noises have pretty much gone.
I’ve got the car booked into a dealer for the remainder of the issues (or the single issue of crap/unfinished firmware, depending on your pov lol). None of the issues I reported were new to them. Not sure if that’s good news or not but at least they are being honest - they have a lot of cars booked in for similar issues and they’re waiting for fixes to be issued. But in order to get on the fix list your car has to be logged/diagnosed first. That’s next Friday, if there’s any new news from the visit I’ll post it here.


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BigJase88

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They have had a bit of a nightmare with the latest generation cars.

Need a new I.T dept.
 

.Griff.

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This week's highlights (and it's only Tuesday) -

  • Warning - "Vehicle key is in vehicle" - No sh*t, it's in my pocket and I'm driving the car!!!
  • "There is no primary user setup - Would you like to become the primary user" - or words to that effect. I was too busy cussing and pressing OK to pay too much attention. The same key I use every day of the week so no idea what it was playing at.
  • Volume controls not responding (again)
 
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can write a WHOLE story after 5 month's

- Rear left interior light flashing random (they gonna change it next week after 5 monts
- Touchpanel mostly NOT working had rain in the car also because of it needed to get out shut car of lock it and close sunroof with key !
NO SOLUTION YET BY CUPRA !!
- Rear window when closing it opens again performend basic reset ... useless ... still no fix by dealer...

also things that bother me
- Screen resolution to big .. other same units like Skoda skala has better resolution still not changeable
- Sound accurator... should be possible to shut off but not (yet?) possible with vagcom or obdeleven but also noticed from other cars when they code it out valves also stay closed ... so if any has a solution ... please tell me
- Electric seats where not possible on order but I was fine with it... (might get Cup ones then)
- several times : KEY IS NOT IN VEHICLE ...
- No primary user ...
- climate/volume buttons not illuminated


as so far im nearly giving up and my go talk with my dealer and see what's possible ...
 
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