auq 180 remap advice

[reefer24131]

ive spent a while looking around but couldnt find much. ive just sold a cupra tdi that was remapped and got myself a cupra 1.8t, it has the auq engine.

im going to get it remapped and my questions are:

1. do I need a uprated recirc valve
2. the car has done 85k, the clutch feels good at the min, whats the chances it will slip
3. is my car fitted with a ko3s

thanks in advance.

 

[cupraslayer]

Alls fine. Give the car a good service and stick it in . A healthy auq will meet 210 - 215 bhp stage 1 . People claim to get higher , but that's dyno lottery.

 

[reefer24131]

ok thanks for the reply.
is there any little worthwhile mods before I take it in?
I was going to order a cold air induction where the filter sits down by the inner arch, I can only find the mk4 golf or toledo kits but im sure I can make it fit.

thanks.

 

[cupraslayer]

Just making sure the car is 100% healthy is the best bet. As regards to mods before hand ...... There's nothing that would massively make a difference. Stage 1 map isn't really trailered to certain mods. I have a dyno twist induction kit for sale if your interested? Its in the for sale section .


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[reefer24131]

yes im changing cambelt and waterpump this week along with a full engine service, also changing the oil strainer. I will have a look now mate and let you know.

 

[D1andonlyantman]

This is an email I got from ****** when i emailed them about mods before mapping my golf 180 (before it got rear ended and written a couple of weeks ago....). Hope it helps

Thank you for your enquiry regarding ****** performance remaps for your k03s 1.8T

We can offer you full custom rolling road remap session which includes full visual health checks, ecu and pc based diagnostics and data logging plus smoke test if needed to establish if the is car is fit and health for tuning. Common issues are boost leaks, faulty valves, sensors reading wrong ect. Most of the minor common issues can be fixed on site prior to tuning.

Once we are happy your car is safe and fit for mapping we will then strap your car to our Bosch rolling road dyno to log the fuel and to get a base line power number as a starting block to work from. We will then continue to tune your car on the dyno working the power and torque up in increments logged the ecu at each step to make sure the car is safe and no under laying issues. If we run into issues then we will stop tuning and leave the power at level which we think is safe for your hardware setup. If there are major issues with the hardware we will abort the tuning session and but the car back to stock until the hardware issues are fixed. 9 times out of 10 we can fix minor hardware issues during the mapping session or we can get parts in from main dealer within 45 mins. But please make sure you have not fault or issues before booking in.

Power gain for your 1.8T 20v setup can be upto:
Stage1 Tuning 200-212 BHP 235- 245 LBFT = £250

Stage2 Tuning 225-240 BHP 250-270 LBFT = £290

For stage 2 tuning you will need:
Good quality cold air induction kit or Panel filter
Full turbo back exhaust with 100cell or de cat at least 2.5” bore+
Front mount intercooler with the boost pipes 2.5” or bigger. Not Side mount
Turbo intake pipe (TIP) Not cheap small bore ebays pipes
Forge 007p or OEM ‘N’ Revision diverter valve
N249 bypass
Decent strong actuator Pressure is key yo the higher numbers, a n actuator with 100+k on it will not make the higher stage2 numbers due to the spring getting weak, where a new oem actuator will do 250+bhp.
Cars with high miles tend to find there orininal fuel pumps cannot flow or keep up when trying to run stage 2 power, so again might be worth looking at a new oem pump.
Use 3bar fuel reg not a 4bar which kills pumps, if you want more fuel head room then fit TT/LCR 380cc injectors.

Stage2+ Tuning 250-262 BHP 290-300 LBFT = £350
Strong actuator 1bar+
water meth injector kit
injectors from audi tt or s3 bam/amk engine

For the best result stage 2 and above you will need the best flowing hardware to get the number, a lot of cheap and branded kits are not upto the job to give the best results.

INDUCTION KITS/ AIR FILTERS
For induction kit we had to design our own cold air kit as non of the kits on the market could flow decent air and stay cool, The ****** RAM-CAI induction kit is only £120 fitted and has proven to flow for over 650bhp.

FMICs / Intercoolers
The are many fmic options on the market which range from £90 for universal setups to £700 branded units, the price don’t mean it’s the best flowing / cooling setup for your application. The £700 kits tend to be made of best quality materials and to fit easy, the £90 kits poor quality and poor fitting, lots of chopping and cutting needed. The best proven all around fmic is the “Wellycooler” setup, this has proven to us over the past years to give the best cooling and flow at all stages of tune, we are running them at 450+bhp on car with GT turbo. The Wellycooler kit is basically a Toyo 2.5” core with ASH hoses pipes. It costs around £220 for the materials. For more information on the wellycooler setups just search google and have a quick read up.
We can provide a custom 2.5” alloy welded hard pipe custom fmic setup supplied and fitted for £470 all inc. It’s the wellycooler without all the joins.

Exhausts and decats
Again with exhaust systems there are 1000s of options, but basically sub 350bhp all you need is a decent flowing 2.5” pipe work exhaust with decent bends which don’t cause a bottle neck in flow. Milltek is the best direct bolt on option for a full turbo back system. You can find on ebay decent 3” downpipe and decat setup for around £80 which are good enough for 320bhp and an easy fit to any other cat back system.
Going 3” exhaust on a k03 is over kill and will knock on the rear beam.

DUMP VALVES
Only proven DVs to work well with the 1.8T are the Forge 007p or 008 DV with the new pistion design. But the best working DV is the new stock factory plastic DV, the 710n or 710P from an Audi TT part number from main dealers 06A 145 710 P £35

TIPS / TURBO INTAKE PIPES
Again many options around ranging from £50 to £140, the cheap ebay tips are crap full stop, the bodies on them are smaller than the stock ones, they flow really bad and make less power then the stock tips. Forge sell the upgrade tip which flow better than the stock tips upto around 240bhp these are around £140. The best flowing tip for the k03 turbos is the 70mm Supersize tips which have proven to flow over 300bhp on the K300 hybrid turbos. ****** do there own brand 70mm supersize tip for £110 fitted, SFS also sell them.

Exhaust manifolds
If your looking for the very best from your setup you might want to port the exhaust manifold collector, this can aid flow for another 10-12bhp at the higher end of the rpm scale. If your good at DIY its going to cost you nothing, but if you pay someone your looking at around £120 labour.



We have one of the top VAG tuners in the UK; Niki Gower who is on site and carries out the entire customer remaps using the very best tuning software and tuning emulators. You can tell him how and exactly you want the power delivery, throttle maps and boost maps ect... For an extra charge during your mapping session he can add launch control, 1:1 linear throttle maps.

If you need any more information regarding tuning your car then please call the workshop direct on 01455 617233 and speak to Ben who will be happy to answer all your questions and concerns.

Regards
The ****** Team

And assuming seat engine codes are the same as golfs, yes your auq has a ko3s. All engines made after 2001 have the ko3s if I'm not mistaken

 

[reefer24131]

thanks for the info, where abouts is this place? is that stage 1 figure normal, I hought it was normally a little higher than that?

 

[D1andonlyantman]

I'm pretty new to this too but they're the figures you can expect as far as I know. It's a place called R TECH and they're meant to be the ones to go to for tuning on these motors. I spoke to the guy down there and he said to do as many of the mods on that list as you can to get better numbers. You don't have to have all the mods on the stage 2 list to get more power, just the more the better obviously. My insurer doesn't cover intercoolers but I'm still going to do all the mods I can before the remap to help bring the hp up.

 

[cupraslayer]

The bypass isn't req for stage 2 . Many people on here are running stage 2 on standard DV and without the bypass . Although I have done this to mine , it's not essential .

Where abouts are you based? You can go.....
*Amd in Essex.
*Revo in daventry ( northants ) , but have loads of dealers dotted about.
*Badger 5 around Swindon way ( I think )
*Few places in Leicester
A good tuner will Heath check a car before hand like the chaps above. Never should a map be just stuck on a car and handed back.
When mine was done it was tweaked on road test. Stage 2 they refused to do it until I had sorted out the issues after the check.
Have a search on here and try some readers rides. So much info to take in and read up on . Stage 1 your car will be fine. Stage 2 you need to start spending some dosh.
Revo do a trial run that lasts 5 hrs driving time. This gives you a free taste of what to expect up to 80% of what you get if to buy.
Whoever you go with just make sure its a good tuner. You will be smiling ear to ear at the end of it .


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[reefer24131]

cheers mate, im based in kent, im going back to the person who mapped my pd150, I beleive it was a generic map from poland, I got good results, drove the car pretty hard for around 12k with the map on and never had 1 issue, im going to fit a cai and a decat and he is going to switch off the second lambda for me aswell

 

[D1andonlyantman]

I'm new to car modding so don't want to get ahead of myself, but I do have a pretty heavily modified zx6r and know a bit about modding and mapping bikes, and getting a generic map is NEVER as good as getting custom map for your setup. Altitude, humidity, engine health, any slight difference to your engine or any modification while that was being built are all factors that could change what the "perfect" map is for your car. You're best off getting it on a rolling road with someone who knows what they're doing to get the best out of it

 

[KamiLDN]

Not meaning to thread jack but why isit so insisted that you can't reach above around 210 with a stage 1 map? I've mad 220 bhp 238 lb/ft on stage 1, also a 180 AUQ leon cupra! Before dyno lottery comes into this it was done on AMD's rollers which were also proven to be on par with ******s rollers...

 

[cupraslayer]

What mods did you have on this ? 99% of the time the figures are right . They can't advertise a map to potentially reach 220 , but then the average car will only reach 210.
I believe revo stats 210-215. Give or take 1-2 hp + type of fuel , day conditions , and health of your car, then 220 was prob possible. im sure amd rollers are spot on . Take the average stats on what is possible. Anything else is a bonus.


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[KamiLDN]

Just a 2.5" decat exhaust, S2000 filter and a 007P but yeah that's true, guess if they advertised the max power they've achieved in the past then there would be a lot of unhappy customers leaving with less! Fair point, was just frustrating hearing people tell me there's no way I'm at 220 until I got a print out lol

 

[cupraslayer]

With the mods you have 220 is available all day every day . You basically have 80% of the mods for stage 2. Some people on stage 2 claim to have hit in the 250's. Again this is debatable pending the rollers , mods etc....... Many say a k03s will max out at 240- late 40's. Then again no car is the same. Always be that small percentage that will be lucky enough to have a car that can give that little bit more . All remap dealers have to cover their arses. End of the day its a guide that they give .


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[reefer24131]

ii might have it wrong by saying a generic map? he plugs hes machine into my car, does a few checks/logs, then plugs in hes pc and sends a file off to poland and I go back to him another day and he uploads it to my ecu, is that generic? he claimed with a decat and CAI I may get around 220 depending on vehicle health. the figures he quoted me on my pd150 were spot on when it went on to rollers.

 

[D1andonlyantman]

The best way to map is on a rolling road so they can stick an O2 sensor in your exhaust and read your emissions at different revs in different gears when giving it different amounts of throttle to keep the air fuel ratio bang on at all times. By just attaching it to a pc they are working with theory and although they might have a lot of practice and be good at estimating what map you need, estimating is all they are doing. On a rolling road they have what's going on inside the engine right in front of them and they can adjust the fuelling properly. If any of this is wrong then anyone feel free to jump in and correct me, I ain't trying to be a smart arse, just give the guy good advice

 

[ssbnumber34]

I'm new to car modding so don't want to get ahead of myself, but I do have a pretty heavily modified zx6r and know a bit about modding and mapping bikes, and getting a generic map is NEVER as good as getting custom map for your setup. Altitude, humidity, engine health, any slight difference to your engine or any modification while that was being built are all factors that could change what the "perfect" map is for your car. You're best off getting it on a rolling road with someone who knows what they're doing to get the best out of it

Ooh a fellow biker although i do like big power bikes lol

 

[D1andonlyantman]

Ooh a fellow biker although i do like big power bikes lol

I got a 600 as my first road bike and never really felt the need for **** loads more power tbh. Upgraded to my 04 zx636, got it modded, mapped bla bla bla and am happy with it. Done a couple of track days on it too and think it's better to learn on a smaller bike rather than a thou. Work on cornering techniques rather than just bombing it down the straights.

 

[ssbnumber34]

Most definitely mate my problem is I am a drag racer so used to silly power so most road bikes bore me although my latest bike keeps me happy with 280 bhp lol