And another MIB1 to MIB2 conversion - minor issue

[MartinThorn]

Some pictures from the hardware installation (the easy bit!)..

First of all the MIB1 glove box head unit - straight/easy swap for the MIB2 unit, though have to say the cheap ebay keys were a bit rubbish (just about good enough to get it out):

Then the new salvage screen; despite the photo it's only a bit bigger than the MIB1 screen (perspective!):
(8inch salvage screens still going for silly money so that will have to wait)

Screen came out with just the keys again - bit fiddly due to the cheap ebay tools again, but there's no need to unscrew any bolts or remove any trim.

The only real problem with the screen hardware install is one of the MIB1 connectors at the back doesn't fit into a MIB2 screen without some hacking away of a few small plastic ridges ('keys') around the barrel - the light MIB1 connector was thus 'shaved' with a stanley knife until it looked like this:

Then, with connections mated, the new screen and glove box unit just push back in - easy peasy.

Then I updated the firmware from 0359 to the latest available for this hardware (0369) via SDCard (I had to use 16GB formatted to FAT32 with 4kb clusters as a larger 32GB card didn't work). This took about 20 minutes:

Then an SDCard patch on top removed component protection and enabled some (but not all) features (no green engineering menu or ODB tools required at this point):

The patch (SE_ZR_P0369T_FEC_ALL_CID_OFF_CP_OFF_SPORT_FIXED.7z) allowed any SDCard navigation maps to work so I downloaded the latest West EU MIB2 maps and they were accepted immediately (DiscoverMedia2_EU1_2110_V18.7z). The map software is still nowhere near as user friendly as Google or Waze but at least they are almost up-to-date rather than stuck in 2015 and can be used as backup for phone network failure!

After this there's sound (CP off!) and Android Auto and we're up to the point where I was discovering the subtle problems (coding to exact car model):

Next we're arriving at the realisation that I had to start learning about coding/parameterisation: went on to install Android's Car Scanner Pro to modify the MIB2 unit digital registers to update them to my specific model - this task is ongoing (see earlier posts). The app actually gives you 3 free code changes which might be enough for some people but not me so I paid for the app (one off payment of just less than a fiver).

I've got to say that after coming from my other car (a 2010 Alfa) that I've just put an aftermarket Android Auto head unit in, these MIB units are a pain in the backside but an interesting learning experience!

 

[leonlad]

For anyone that needs to activate seat sound. You can diy it now apparantly to get the subwoofer option.

Enabling *** & subwoofer control without VCP - FL success

Hi all I thought I would share that I was able to enable the Audi Sound System and the subwoofer menu using just a bluetooth ELM327 dongle and the CarScanner mobile app. No VCP/ODIS/etc. required, though it did take quite a lot of research! Looking through the forum I didn't see anyone having...

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I installed a 02xx mib2 in 2018 one of the first on here actually, but picked up a 04xx unit from a carboot last year for £15 and just getting round to swap it over, as i have factory seat sound from the mib1 i will give this a go.

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

Subwoofer control isn't the only difference between seat sound & non seat sound datasets. That thread works for Audi simply because a lot of them are simply missing independent subwoofer control as standard

 

[leonlad]

The subwoofer control does fec all anyway very slight changes. i went through this first time when i swapped from mib1 to mib2 vcp and zdc files etc. Most change was when choosing the car type in vcds from 5 to 3 door. Obviously 9VD picked in vcds made it work 95% anyway.

Still worth a try just to see, i have one done with vcp to compare it to.

 

[leonlad]

Some pictures from the hardware installation (the easy bit!)..

First of all the MIB1 glove box head unit - straight/easy swap for the MIB2 unit, though have to say the cheap ebay keys were a bit rubbish (just about good enough to get it out):

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Then the new salvage screen; despite the photo it's only a bit bigger than the MIB1 screen (perspective!):
(8inch salvage screens still going for silly money so that will have to wait)

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Screen came out with just the keys again - bit fiddly due to the cheap ebay tools again, but there's no need to unscrew any bolts or remove any trim.

The only real problem with the screen hardware install is one of the MIB1 connectors at the back doesn't fit into a MIB2 screen without some hacking away of a few small plastic ridges ('keys') around the barrel - the light MIB1 connector was thus 'shaved' with a stanley knife until it looked like this:

View attachment 41182

Then, with connections mated, the new screen and glove box unit just push back in - easy peasy.

Then I updated the firmware from 0359 to the latest available for this hardware (0369) via SDCard (I had to use 16GB formatted to FAT32 with 4kb clusters as a larger 32GB card didn't work). This took about 20 minutes:

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Then an SDCard patch on top removed component protection and enabled some (but not all) features (no green engineering menu or ODB tools required at this point):

View attachment 41185
The patch (SE_ZR_P0369T_FEC_ALL_CID_OFF_CP_OFF_SPORT_FIXED.7z) allowed any SDCard navigation maps to work so I downloaded the latest West EU MIB2 maps and they were accepted immediately (DiscoverMedia2_EU1_2110_V18.7z). The map software is still nowhere near as user friendly as Google or Waze but at least they are almost up-to-date rather than stuck in 2015 and can be used as backup for phone network failure!

After this there's sound (CP off!) and Android Auto and we're up to the point where I was discovering the subtle problems (coding to exact car model):

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Next we're arriving at the realisation that I had to start learning about coding/parameterisation: went on to install Android's Car Scanner Pro to modify the MIB2 unit digital registers to update them to my specific model - this task is ongoing (see earlier posts). The app actually gives you 3 free code changes which might be enough for some people but not me so I paid for the app (one off payment of just less than a fiver).

I've got to say that after coming from my other car (a 2010 Alfa) that I've just put an aftermarket Android Auto head unit in, these MIB units are a pain in the backside but an interesting learning experience!

You should have taken an admap with vcds with the mib1 still in this would tell you what you need to change when you put the new one it.

 

[MartinThorn]

You should have taken an admap with vcds with the mib1 still in this would tell you what you need to change when you put the new one it.

Easy to say with experience/hindsight!

1) After hours of MIB researching before starting on here and elsewhere I missed the importance of adaptation/coding/parameterisation to exact model.
2) I didn't and don't have vcds anyway - legit copies/cables aren't cheap!

In any case, my next fun tasks this week are:

I) Activate gem (via car scanner)
ii) Install Mibstd toolbox via SDcard
iii) investigation of toolbox customisation/adaptation menus therein to activate the missing park pilot screen

Then I'll think about the audio parameters which the Audi forum link above is interesting for(but tbh this is quite low priority as it all sounds ok already)

 

[leonlad]

Easy to say with experience/hindsight!

1) After hours of MIB researching before starting on here and elsewhere I missed the importance of adaptation/coding/parameterisation to exact model.
2) I didn't and don't have vcds anyway - legit copies/cables aren't cheap!

In any case, my next fun tasks this week are:

I) Activate gem (via car scanner)
ii) Install Mibstd toolbox via SDcard
iii) investigation of toolbox customisation/adaptation menus therein to activate the missing park pilot screen

Then I'll think about the audio parameters which the Audi forum link above is interesting for(but tbh this is quite low priority as it all sounds ok already)

I would not have embarked on this without access to vcds. Missing park pilot is coding i did all this in 2018.

For the green menu developer mode needs to be activated then you can run the tool box. Infact doing this first you can patch the unit without having to do the cp fec all patch i found out.

 

[MartinThorn]

I would not have embarked on this without access to vcds. Missing park pilot is coding i did all this in 2018.

For the green menu developer mode needs to be activated then you can run the tool box. Infact doing this first you can patch the unit without having to do the cp fec all patch i found out.

Good to know I should be able to get park pilot back - if it was possible in 2018 it will be easier now as the software tools have progressed since (though exact information of which code addresses, 5F or elsewhere, and values are still a pain to find trawling through very long forum threads).

(as for vcds, again legit copies of software and cables are expensive for a one off DIY job like this)

 

[leonlad]

Good to know I should be able to get park pilot back - if it was possible in 2018 it will be easier now as the software tools have progressed since (though exact information of which code addresses, 5F or elsewhere, and values are still a pain to find trawling through very long forum threads).

(as for vcds, again legit copies of software and cables are expensive for a one off DIY job like this)

well i don`t have the other tools but this is what i changed in vcds

fake cables work

looks like lines 465 468 640 641 694 695 option to me.

 

[MartinThorn]

well i don`t have the other tools but this is what i changed in vcds

fake cables work

looks like lines 465 468 640 641 694 695 option to me.

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Haven't had much time to 'play' this week, but I did install the GEM and MIBstd Toolbox and tried two things - changing/fiddling with the status of PDC adaptations & menu settings (Mibstd Toolbox) and checked a small proportion of the Car's coding in Parking Assist modules 10 & 76 (Car scanner) which looked ok (00 31 05 10 01) - These had no effect, so no joy yet in making the ParkPilot appear on the screen when reverse or button engaged (the dashboard button and the beeps work fine). I appreciate there's a lot more it could be.. (Gateway coding, CANBus issues etc.).

Enjoying the Android Auto and access to Google Maps, Waze, podcasts etcs. as well as the almost up-to-date inbuilt maps in the meantime!

 

[leonlad]

Haven't had much time to 'play' this week, but I did install the GEM and MIBstd Toolbox and tried two things - changing/fiddling with the status of PDC adaptations & menu settings (Mibstd Toolbox) and checked a small proportion of the Car's coding in Parking Assist modules 10 & 76 (Car scanner) which looked ok (00 31 05 10 01) - These had no effect, so no joy yet in making the ParkPilot appear on the screen when reverse or button engaged (the dashboard button and the beeps work fine). I appreciate there's a lot more it could be.. (Gateway coding, CANBus issues etc.).

Enjoying the Android Auto and access to Google Maps, Waze, podcasts etcs. as well as the almost up-to-date inbuilt maps in the meantime!

i have been playing today and i have sussed out how to add fec`s and seat sound with carscanner app pro now. its dead easy.

i have copied the data sets from another mib2 that had seat sound installed and wrote it to the new unit set config to 3 door and wow its sounds better now than my first mib2 unit, no setting for the 3 or 5 door existed on the 02xx unit i had so think that was the issue.

 

[MartinThorn]

Well I probably don't have optimised SeatSound yet (I haven't yet figured out how to do that with Carscanner pro!) and I also couldn't see how to use Carscanner to do the Parkpilot adaptations needed either so I gave in and installed OBDeleven pro - was easy to sort out the missing Parkpilot* with that!

Looks a bit snazzier than the MIB1 version!

*It was setting the BAP Gen2 adaptation parking_assist_0x0A to active that I was missing.

 

[leonlad]

Well I probably don't have optimised SeatSound yet (I haven't yet figured out how to do that with Carscanner pro!) and I also couldn't see how to use Carscanner to do the Parkpilot adaptations needed either so I gave in and installed OBDeleven pro - was easy to sort out the missing Parkpilot with that!

Looks a bit snazzier than the MIB1 version!

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I did the seat sound upgrade on my new unit worked a treat.

VCP is not needed for seat sound.

i have managed to apply seat sound to a mib2 technisat unit with just the use of carscanner app pro. i stumbled on this thread which gave hope without having to get vcp and zdc files like i did with my first mib2 unit. https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/436166/ however why go to the...

www.seatcupra.net

 

[MartinThorn]

I did the seat sound upgrade on my new unit worked a treat.

VCP is not needed for seat sound.

i have managed to apply seat sound to a mib2 technisat unit with just the use of carscanner app pro. i stumbled on this thread which gave hope without having to get vcp and zdc files like i did with my first mib2 unit. https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/436166/ however why go to the...

www.seatcupra.net

Thanks to leonlad's 0x3000 & 0x3B00 config files and CarScanner Pro, the sound is improved (more bass than I can handle!) and the sub-woofer menu appeared!

Next challenge is making Android Auto wireless.. the small bluetooth adapter from Aliexpress nearly works, but sends the phone/stereo into an infinite loop of trying to connect to Android Auto. Then it similarly breaks the USB wired Android Auto unless I reboot the car stereo (long press on power button). Not sure what the problem is yet - could be the relatively old Seat hardware (original USB interface being used for example so lucky I'm not an Apple guy!) or the chinese Android Auto wireless adapter..

 

[MartinThorn]

This VAG map revision gets MIB2 retrofit mods like mine completely up to date without any modification to the map files required: the SDCard FeC patch means I can just copy the new map files onto the existing memory card over-writing the old maps (after backup just in case).

Updating the inbuilt Mib2 Satnav / Mib2 tricks and Mib1

Don't attempt to change trains... that's a conversation on the software thread. Basically each train is updated so the higher number of the train is the one with the fixes in it for known bugs, 02xx say is the last and great than 0245 etc in your case. There is a 03xx, 04xx and an 05xx. Each top...

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[Guttu]

The unit needs configuring to suit your car. We can do this

It'll require parameterisation & coding.

Thread 'Seat Leon Mk3 2013 - 5.8inc to 8inc screen'
https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/seat-leon-mk3-2013-5-8inc-to-8inc-screen.475816/