ABF Tuning

Saul

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having looked at this extensively in the past, and also with the advise from the 16V experienced knowledge fountain that is Rob T i would get a pair of 260's or the esses 3 equiv of 268/stock and a good head then get it mapped.

ask stealth if they will map it for you with those bits on
 

Dave_R

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After looking into it on the weekend and the advice I had off here, think I will go for one of them options.

I just got one other question, if I go for esses 3's set up of using shrick 268 inlet cam and the stock exhaust cam will that be okay for the engine in the long run as the way I'm seeing it is that you letting more air and fuel in but not letting it out at the same rate.
 

RobT

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It'll be fine, there are loads of cam 'sets' with different inlet and exhaust cam specs, the head flows are different for inlet and exhaust ports also (see flow figs on CNC Heads website) - dont forget the only thing to push air into an engine is atmospheric pressure whereas getting air (exhaust gases) out of an engine is driven by flywheel momentum - so inlet needs more help usually, rule of thumb, but this does depend on specific engine setup.

One of the problems with cams is comparing like with like, all manufacturers measure and describe them differently, maximum lift is usually fairly comparable but depends on where zero is taken from, before ramp angles ? after ? at 0.1mm lift ? all are different. Likewise duration, the time the valve is lifted, somepeople describe this at 0.1mm lift, some at 20 thou, etc etc - duration at 0.5mm lift is far less than at 0.1mm lift but the actual difference in valve actuation, and therefore gas flow, depends on the shape of the lobe itself.

A guy on CGTI forum, H8SV8S, had some cams measured properly a year or so back:

ABF cams:

inlet=219degrees at 1mm lift, 10.8mm max
exhaust=220 degrees, 10.8mm max

KR cams (1.8 16V golf GTI)

inlet=218 degrees, 9.6mm max
exhaust 226 degrees, 10.21mm max

so as you see. VW's own cams are different specs and the ABF ones are actually pretty fruity.

Schrick 268 inlet:
11.5mm max lift and 268degrees duration but unknown from catologue what lift this is at only that it doesnot include ramps which are maybe 0.1-0.2mm

so its impossible to compare them....you have to go on what people have done and I have to say that given the stock abf cams are as fruity as they are, I'm no at all suprised that it makes a good pair to a schrick 268 inlet cam. My suprise is that this combo works with reprogrammed stock management and that a pair of 268's doesnot - must be something to do with lambda control as the maf on the abf would seem to be ok with a 268

cheers

rob
 

sean martin

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If ya want the car to idle properly and pass the MOT stick with the schrick 260's. 268's work but loose you a lot of low-mid range torque. Vince @ stealth should tell you this. Massive improvement with my ABF after changing from 268's to 260's. Figures to prove it made 194 @ flywheel on Stealths rollers too.
 

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sean martin said:
If ya want the car to idle properly and pass the MOT stick with the schrick 260's. 268's work but loose you a lot of low-mid range torque. Vince @ stealth should tell you this. Massive improvement with my ABF after changing from 268's to 260's. Figures to prove it made 194 @ flywheel on Stealths rollers too.

what sort of work you had done to it?
 

sean martin

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Flowed head with the 260's, 4-1 mk2 golf exhaust manifold, de-cat and stainless exhaust. It was 280 hp (on a warm summers day) but after the manifold went on it made 294 (on a really cold day) It depends on the mods u choose to make but the manifold seemed to be the finishing touch and let everything else to its job better.
 

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sean martin said:
Flowed head with the 260's, 4-1 mk2 golf exhaust manifold, de-cat and stainless exhaust. It was 280 hp (on a warm summers day) but after the manifold went on it made 294 (on a really cold day) It depends on the mods u choose to make but the manifold seemed to be the finishing touch and let everything else to its job better.

the mk 2 golf manifold fitted? thats good power you got from a flowed head may i ask who did the work for you?
 
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hopkinsgm

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sean martin said:
...It was 280 hp (on a warm summers day) but after the manifold went on it made 294 (on a really cold day)...
Do you mean 180 and 194 respectively? Still good numbers for an ABF. Still running factory inlet and a standard ECU (chipped/remapped, I assume)? If so, they're very good numbers!
 

sean martin

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RobT said:
NOS car....

Yes car did also used to be fitted with a 50 hp nitrous kit. The figures were 194without the gas and 221 with the gas. I removed the system after blowing a head gasket. Moving house soon so car declared sorn to save money - project will continue with addition of a decent cluth, lightened flywheel and a change of final drive in the box.

Regarding the flowed head. I am not totally sure who did the work - it was either Prodrive themselves or the company that Prodrive uses for this type of work.
 
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Dave_R

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Probably go for 260 cams now be more than happy if I had the figures sean had :)

Anyone recommend a place to go for head work?
 
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