1st 100% Bio-Diesel at the pump, Shropshire

[sri_130]

I'm keen on this being introduced near me (S.Yorkshire)

Problem is that it will cost a fair few quid to produce which will keep the price per litre up. Is there any future plans for the government to subsidise the usage of this juice and help the pockets of us £50 per week diesel users?

 

[slimjim]

its strange they say you should do that but dont give reasons why...

Sorry sstew....

Biodiesel has strong solvent properties and because mineral diesel can be a dirty fuel, the deposits in the tank and fuel system left by mineral diesel will be dislodged by biodiesel and carried into the fuel filters. If there is a large amount of debris the filter may block if all these deposits are washed out in one go. To ensure this does not occur, it is recommended that biodiesel is introduced slowly into the system, by starting with a low percentage of biodiesel, say 5%, and then gradually increasing the proportion until the desired ratio is reached. Once the dirt has been flushed through gradually and caught in the filter, it is rare to have further problems but it may be precautionary to change the fuel filter within three months of starting to use biodiesel. Normally an engine may have a service within this time anyway, so the filter would be changed in any case.

 

[Shuntis]

I'm keen on this being introduced near me (S.Yorkshire)

Problem is that it will cost a fair few quid to produce which will keep the price per litre up. Is there any future plans for the government to subsidise the usage of this juice and help the pockets of us £50 per week diesel users?

I heared that because of lower immissions etc that the tax will be lower on biodiesel... but don't hold me to that

 

[slimjim]

I heared that because of lower immissions etc that the tax will be lower on biodiesel... but don't hold me to that

With this goverment? They take all the cash they can. If they were serious about it they would take the tax of the oil fuel.

Im looking into the kit for making it myself ... now I have a garage for it to go in.
http://www.bioking.co.uk/html/bioking_junior.htm

But you have to record how much you are making and give the goverment 25p for each litre!


http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76945&highlight=biodiesel

 

[sri_130]

I'm also looking into making a kit that can dispose of my girlfriend without all this red stuff ruining the carpet.
Junior Hack-saw's are not designed for it.

I've got a garage too. You best bet is to make you're own special brew, that way you wont care what the price of fuel is, cos you'll be pi$$ed out of your face 24/7.

25p? you could charge the kids in the street for a sip.

 

[sssstew]

ah ok i understand now slim, cheers bud. I guess that makes sense.

 

[muddyboots]

But you have to record how much you are making and give the goverment 25p for each litre!

Yes, but they can't prove how much you're used can they ?

Red diesel is traceable, but bio isn't (that I'm aware of).
I'd just pay a token amount.

I think there were two bands of duty, 25p sounds like the lower one, I think you had to prove the fuel was of a certain type or quality to qualify for it.

 

[slimjim]

Yes, but they can't prove how much you're used can they ?

Red diesel is traceable, but bio isn't (that I'm aware of).
I'd just pay a token amount.

I think there were two bands of duty, 25p sounds like the lower one, I think you had to prove the fuel was of a certain type or quality to qualify for it.

Not sure on the details...

But What im thinking of doing, is writting down every single litre I make ... then when the ask for the money in tax ... I will give it to them.

That is how other people are doing it.

 

[cheshire cat]

its strange they say you should do that but dont give reasons why...

yes all sounds too complex and largly b@@@@cks how-ever would be wise to keep a spare fuel filter handy, as in the boot with some tools
if it is really pure bio

 

[slimjim]

yes all sounds too complex and largly b@@@@cks how-ever would be wise to keep a spare fuel filter handy, as in the boot with some tools
if it is really pure bio

That is probably the way I would go

Probably fill it up on a Friday and use the car all weekend... so it didn't die on the way to work (as you KNOW it would do!)

 

[basstard]

It's actually biodiesel... not just veg oil...

when I hear 20% biodiesel I know it's 20% veg oil and 80% normal diesel,,, same with 30% and so on,,, I take it that with 100% biodiesel they're using 100% veg oil,,, am I wrong?

 

[basstard]

btw, my cousin has a 1.7D opel [sorry, vauxhall for you uk'ers] corsa and started with 25% fryin oil [from the local discount supermarket] and 75% diesel. Not a prob with fuel filters etc.
It's been the very first time I'd liked to have such a piece of shite as a car instead of mine,,,

5% seems way too low anyway. I used 15% unused McDonald's oil [VERY thick grease shite more than oil] in a 1.7 TD punto and it ran ok, no probs with fuel filters either,,,

 

[Fast_Eddie]

a friend of mine in Bologna used a veg oil mix in his alfa 146d-it ran very well but smoked a little more if i remember.

 

[dmjw01]

when I hear 20% biodiesel I know it's 20% veg oil and 80% normal diesel,,, same with 30% and so on,,, I take it that with 100% biodiesel they're using 100% veg oil,,, am I wrong?

If the word "biodiesel" is used properly, it does not mean straight vegetable oil. Sure, biodiesel can be made from used veg oil, but there's a lot of processing to remove the glycerine and other crap from it and turn it into a proper fuel. There are official standards defining the quality and properties of proper biodiesel, and you can be sure (at least in the UK) that anything sold on a garage forecourt will meet at least one of these standards (probably all of them).

You'll often see the terms "B100" (meaning 100% biodiesel) or "B20" (meaning 20% biodiesel), "B5" etc. This should mean that the appropriate amount of proper biodiesel (not just veg oil) has been mixed with petro-diesel.

As far as I know, there is no problem with the viscosity or lubricity of proper biodiesel. The only question mark with PD engines is whether the very high injection pressure de-natures the fuel and causes deposits. Officially, VW do not approve biodiesel for use in PD engines - they used to, but they have changed their mind. But I bet it works just fine.

 

[basstard]

a friend of mine in Bologna used a veg oil mix in his alfa 146d-it ran very well but smoked a little more if i remember.

so you're quite often in italy uh? You deffo need to visit southern italy,,,

Actually, with veg oil the engine should smoke a lil less since the higher cetane number

 

[basstard]

Dave, thx for the info,,,

 

[cheshire cat]

so you're quite often in italy uh? You deffo need to visit southern italy,,,

Actually, with veg oil the engine should smoke a lil less since the higher cetane number

but smells great a drop of veg oil in a non PD certainly helps at MOT time

 

[basstard]

dear dear Nic, long time no talk, how are things?

I must tell you the stink that came out of that punto was utter Mcdonalds ****,,,
but it ran very smoothly as the owner testified,,,