Platinum Grey Leon FR TDI Hybrid - The End!

antnee · Aug 6, 2009

People are getting too hung up about a figure, RR's should be used to fine tweek maps, look at where things can be improved, checking everything is running fine, etc.

Looking at the graphs, the new pipes have actually given a shorter powerband, so less driveability.

Remember people, bhp figures is pub talk, its all about how driveable the car is. Whats the point of being able to hit 400bhp if it means you can only drive the car between 3000 and 4000rpm? 1/4mile, 0-60 sprints, traffic light grand prix, track days is where it counts. For example at GTi Inters T. Spark was ran a 13.5 1/4mile in his 230bhp tdi, yet a 500bhp mk3 ibiza struggled to do less than 14's, cos the mk3 is likely to be undriveable!

chispadete · Aug 6, 2009

sorry to op for spamming thread but i was wondering how that can be thats all, some replies have been helpful other have just been rude (slick and the other person) i dnt seen how 20hp can be lost in heat soak i have done a look on other tdi running same engine and none of them do. as above rr is for joking real times are showing good mappings

jonjay · Aug 6, 2009

rscott4563 said:
Hot temps inside the dyno booth in comparison to the other runs, inadaquate air flow to the intercooler, less time between runs than others, intercooler isn't as big or efficient as others...etc etc There are numerous reasons why one car could suffer more than others with heat soak and so the only way to compare is just to use the maximum figure produced as the baseline. On another point regarding dyno figures, I also believe we should all be quoting wheel figures and not fly figures as there can be numerous differences/errors (and operator fiddling) which can affect the calculation of the transmission losses and the subsequent flywheel figure. If we all just used the wheel power figures produced it would be a lot more accurate and in the end it's only what gets put down on the tarmac that matters....

Wheel figures are on the graph Ryan.

antnee said:
Looking at the graphs, the new pipes have actually given a shorter powerband, so less driveability.

Thats not correct, you sure your looking at the right lines?

If you compare my highest bhp and torque curve with my lowest "after hoses" you will see there is more power all the way until 4200ish. Where the lowest after hoses run fails in comparison to my best one is where is suffers from heat soak at the top end.

If you compare to two best figures from the before and after, the after results are stronger through the whole range.

rscott4563 · Aug 6, 2009

antnee said:
People are getting too hung up about a figure, RR's should be used to fine tweek maps, look at where things can be improved, checking everything is running fine, etc.

Looking at the graphs, the new pipes have actually given a shorter powerband, so less driveability.

Remember people, bhp figures is pub talk, its all about how driveable the car is. Whats the point of being able to hit 400bhp if it means you can only drive the car between 3000 and 4000rpm? 1/4mile, 0-60 sprints, traffic light grand prix, track days is where it counts. For example at GTi Inters T. Spark was ran a 13.5 1/4mile in his 230bhp tdi, yet a 500bhp mk3 ibiza struggled to do less than 14's, cos the mk3 is likely to be undriveable!

Having now got home and been able to see the graph all I can say is some people need to get some lessons in how to read a graph....

It's clear as mud that the "after hoses" plots are better compared to the pre hoses plots. And all this banging on about the power loss on the second runs, even here you can see the second run with the new hoses is better than the second run without the new hoses.

Also where do you get the "shorter power band" from?? The 'after hoses' plots both show wider power bands than before not narrower!

rscott4563 · Aug 6, 2009

jonjay said:
Wheel figures are on the graph Ryan.

Yeah I can see the figures now but I still think the actual plots themselves should be of wheel power and we should generally try to lean away from the calculated flywheel figures. Also I don't see the wheel torque figure quoted, or have I missed it?

Good figures you've got there though, I'm expecting around the same sort of levels myself once I get the SFS pipework and the Allard EGR delete fitted. Mines hitting around 240bhp/350lbft at the moment but hoping to knock on 260bhp once the water/meth injection has been added.

flappy · Aug 6, 2009

chispadete said:
how does torque increase a mere 10 and bhp nearly 20 then please. dont run a car in 3rd gear then same torque figure more bhp

This is easy to explain.

BHP= (RPMxTorque)/5252

Or rearranged

Torque=(BHPx5252)/RPM

jonjay · Aug 10, 2009

500BHP Escort Cosworth 2 Stage Paint Correction Detail
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Had a little play with Kenny@AmD Cosworth Saturday just gone. She turned out pretty well considering the state she was in.

Thread here :http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=231261

jonjay · Aug 13, 2009

Double the Feeds = better air flow = more performance? Lets find out
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This Saturday I am very pleased to say that I will be doing with the help of Skorchio a true Twin Cold Air feed as seen on Skorchio's and Probee's cars. The difference being that mine will go to the airbox instead of an Dynatwist / Open Cone (this may come later depending on results). We will be doing some before and after logs too to verify if its made a difference.

jonjay · Aug 15, 2009

True forced induction Twin Cold Air Feed
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Today was a very fruitful and eventful day. I took a trip up to Milton Keynes to see Skorchio to trade talents. Skorchio worked on my LCR bumper fixing the grills and putting in the twin cold air feed whilst I was detailing his new motor. Unclefester invited us to his place to work on both cars which was very kind of him. Just want to say his s2000 is lovely!

Nick done a brilliant job , no wonder his LCR was amazing to be honest. We didnt take a picture of the final product but you will get the idea of what we achieved.

The end result was two feeds taking air directly from the fog holes. Initial impresses were smoother pickup once on the move and the noise is awesome! We did take a few logs however we ran into problems so we couldn't do a true before and after.

Suspension Strut Failer - Coilovers here I come!
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The main reason for this is because my suspension strut has failed on the right hand side, giving off a loud woosh sound everytime you go on a bump in the road or accelerate. This has totally thrown my plans out to get the droplinks and strut mounts! I now got to make a decision whether I got for KW V1's or V3's....Its looking more like V3's at the moment.

Skorchio's MK3 Detail preview
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Here is a picture of the end results of Nicks car. Car looks beautiful for its age and got some amazing reflections.

Full review will come tomorrow.

Murdered LCR · Aug 15, 2009

got to be v3s there free fitting .. looking ggod tho mate

UncleFester · Aug 16, 2009

Yeah that's not a nice sound Maz but by god does that thing feel quick! Nice to see you both today, thankfully the light drizzle cleared up and it turned into a cracker of a day

jonjay · Aug 16, 2009

UncleFester said:
Yeah that's not a nice sound Maz but by god does that thing feel quick! Nice to see you both today, thankfully the light drizzle cleared up and it turned into a cracker of a day

Yea when it first happen to say I nearly sh!t myself as to what the problem may be is an understatement.

Next time I am at yours (mid Sept?

) take her out for a proper spin! Kw and you owe me a ride in yours still...roof down please!

gazzaharwood · Aug 16, 2009

hello m8 where did you get the s3 upper brace from? and how much cheers

jonjay · Aug 17, 2009

gazzaharwood said:
hello m8 where did you get the s3 upper brace from? and how much cheers

Bought it directly from Audi.

jonjay · Aug 17, 2009

Ordered KW Variant 3 should be on the car in 2 weeks.

Copied from KW Website
Variant 3 race technology for the road with adjustable compression and rebound damping

The new Variant 3 is state-of-the-art technology for the skilled and experienced driver. The separate and independent compression and rebound damping options allow a truly individual driving set-up. These unique systems with the 3 individually adjustable components, allows for adjustment of the compression of the damper in the low-speed range, while the highspeed set-up, so decisive for driving comfort, has been preset by our engineers

• Independently adjustable damping technology -rebound and compression damping
• inox-line stainless steel technology at no extra charge
• Individual height adjustment
• German TUEV-tested adjustment parameters
• High-quality components for long life
• Comprehensive documentation for ease of use
• Infinitely adjustable rebound damping
• 14- level adjustable compression damping
• Unique, independently functioning damping power adjustment

Skorchio · Aug 17, 2009

Was a pleasure mate, thanks for working off the years of grime on mine!

Look forward to running some logs to compaire when you get the V3's

Who need free fitting, get your hands dirty man!!! Im sure you can Detail them one you are done hehe!!

jonjay · Aug 21, 2009

Skorchio MK3 Golf TDI Paint Correction Detail
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Here is the write-up of Nicks detail: http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=232906

Willie · Aug 22, 2009

jonjay said:
Ordered KW Variant 3 should be on the car in 2 weeks.

Copied from KW Website
Variant 3 race technology for the road with adjustable compression and rebound damping

The new Variant 3 is state-of-the-art technology for the skilled and experienced driver. The separate and independent compression and rebound damping options allow a truly individual driving set-up. These unique systems with the 3 individually adjustable components, allows for adjustment of the compression of the damper in the low-speed range, while the highspeed set-up, so decisive for driving comfort, has been preset by our engineers

• Independently adjustable damping technology -rebound and compression damping
• inox-line stainless steel technology at no extra charge
• Individual height adjustment
• German TUEV-tested adjustment parameters
• High-quality components for long life
• Comprehensive documentation for ease of use
• Infinitely adjustable rebound damping
• 14- level adjustable compression damping
• Unique, independently functioning damping power adjustment

TIDY MIN!!!!

Nice choice.
What's you thinking about how you want these to feel when you have these adjusted and fitted?
Make sure these are adjusted PRIOR to fitting, don't make the mistake Dolby and the garage fitting these to assume they were set up from the factory.
http://www.kw-gmbh.de/en/30_Product... over&level=3&hersteller_1=SEAT&modell_1=Leon
Click on this link above.
Scroll down to the KWV3 1M Leon 2WD. There will be a box open up with downloadable PDF files for setting up this coilovers

The first pages is a German section and English at the bottom.
I set up mine how they suggest at the bottom and find them very good for handling but will tweek these a bit when on the track to be a bit stiffer

Just PM/shout if you want any more info

jonjay · Aug 22, 2009

Willie said:
TIDY MIN!!!!

Nice choice.
What's you thinking about how you want these to feel when you have these adjusted and fitted?
Make sure these are adjusted PRIOR to fitting, don't make the mistake Dolby and the garage fitting these to assume they were set up from the factory.
http://www.kw-gmbh.de/en/30_Product... over&level=3&hersteller_1=SEAT&modell_1=Leon
Click on this link above.
Scroll down to the KWV3 1M Leon 2WD. There will be a box open up with downloadable PDF files for setting up this coilovers
The first pages is a German section and English at the bottom.
I set up mine how they suggest at the bottom and find them very good for handling but will tweek these a bit when on the track to be a bit stiffer

Just PM/shout if you want any more info

Hi Willie,

Yea I basically went for them for for the following reasons:

- AmD done me a good price and offer.
- AmD will configure them to how I want them setup. Shaun@AmD with his long history of racing cars and working in motorsport, he said he would help me set it up and tweak it.
- Positive reviews from yourself and Dolby. Your project is focused on handling and harnessing the existing power of the Leon so your positive feedback made the choice easier.
- It made sense to buy them because of the warranty aspect. You get two years warranty and every single piece of the coilover is repairable. If one fails outside of the warranty because the kit is one of the best out there its worth fixing it. Also the inox steel is a nice feature.
- My car needs to be lowered and roll less. Due to the power it has on tap now the shocks and springs just couldnt cope with it. I do have a feeling however this is because the right shock was on its way so unbalanced the car in the last month or two. H&R Cup Kit is still an amazing shock and spring kit and recommend them to anyone without hesitation.
- I spent to much money on the car over the last 3 years its a shame to go and get a kit that doesnt do the hardwork i put in justice.

I will for sure PM you about the setup. Shame that you live so far away would have been good for you to drive the heavier tdi to get your opinion.

Willie · Aug 22, 2009

jonjay said:
Hi Willie,

Yea I basically went for them for for the following reasons:

- AmD done me a good price and offer.
- AmD will configure them to how I want them setup. Shaun@AmD with his long history of racing cars and working in motorsport, he said he would help me set it up and tweak it.
- Positive reviews from yourself and Dolby. Your project is focused on handling and harnessing the existing power of the Leon so your positive feedback made the choice easier.
- It made sense to buy them because of the warranty aspect. You get two years warranty and every single piece of the coilover is repairable. If one fails outside of the warranty because the kit is one of the best out there its worth fixing it. Also the inox steel is a nice feature.
- My car needs to be lowered and roll less. Due to the power it has on tap now the shocks and springs just couldnt cope with it. I do have a feeling however this is because the right shock was on its way so unbalanced the car in the last month or two. H&R Cup Kit is still an amazing shock and spring kit and recommend them to anyone without hesitation.
- I spent to much money on the car over the last 3 years its a shame to go and get a kit that doesnt do the hardwork i put in justice.

I will for sure PM you about the setup. Shame that you live so far away would have been good for you to drive the heavier tdi to get your opinion.

yup, you sound like your getting them for the right reason.
Mine are 3rd hand and TBH look like new.
I'd be very keen to get a drive of your car as I've never been in a fast Diesel.
I plan to get some track days together with other SCN Leon guys at some point so hopefully we could all get together.
Would be very nice to have a racing driver drive your car and tell you how to change things.
When I was on the track the instructor said the car felt very good which was nice to hear.

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