DPJ's GTRS Eliminator Install and Development

DPJ · Jul 9, 2007

PhilW said:
I've heard about the return on the driveshaft casing, what the guy on vortex done was to bend it slightly, thats it.

Gotta love what the higher settings are gonna be like if you only ran LB9 T5. I bet something more up the settings would be awesome. Just watch your rods! lol.

Really pleased for you tho dave, been awesome reading it, and chipping in now and again so i can understand whats goin on for my own install. Well done mate.

I bent mine off the car, Phil. A bit of heat and I found a socket that fitted snugly down the pipe. Extension on socket and heave. I probably got it from 97 degrees to 92 degrees. :shrug:

LB5 Phil. Woosh!

This forum has really helped me in planning what I did. I feel I might have had a far less structured approach otherwise.

Looking forward to you starting yours. (BTW the gorgeous manifold found a new owner this weekend as I'm sticking with the LC inlet manifold layout.)

wild willy · Jul 9, 2007

PhilW said:
I've heard about the return on the driveshaft casing, what the guy on vortex done was to bend it slightly, thats it.

Gotta love what the higher settings are gonna be like if you only ran LB9 T5. I bet something more up the settings would be awesome. Just watch your rods! lol.

Really pleased for you tho dave, been awesome reading it, and chipping in now and again so i can understand whats goin on for my own install. Well done mate.

hey Phil, as one project reaches the end another one starts. am looking forward to your install. Being swansea based i can come and spur you on if we catch you slacking or performing any dodgy 1.8T DIY.

PhilW · Jul 10, 2007

Lol. Not sure where in swansea your from but my car is down that way now, in CAM Sport in Cwgors. Full rebuild with some Scat rods thrown in so i can crank up the boost. Waiting to go on are... 310mm Wilwood 4 pots, lightened and balanced ABF flywheel, Stage 3 SPEC clutch, H+R ARB's, quaife diff and colour coded bump strips, just need a car for them to go on. Will be going for the same eliminator turbo and manifold with a custom TIP i reckon, just need to get my car back to check out the space etc...

I seen you sold it dave, that mani is funny, when its on the car it looks awesome, but when your handling it its not great as the underside isnt polished. But you never see that. Did the new owner like it?

DPJ · Jul 10, 2007

PhilW said:
Lol. Not sure where in swansea your from but my car is down that way now, in CAM Sport in Cwgors. Full rebuild with some Scat rods thrown in so i can crank up the boost. Waiting to go on are... 310mm Wilwood 4 pots, lightened and balanced ABF flywheel, Stage 3 SPEC clutch, H+R ARB's, quaife diff and colour coded bump strips, just need a car for them to go on. Will be going for the same eliminator turbo and manifold with a custom TIP i reckon, just need to get my car back to check out the space etc...

If It's there, you should get your thread started, Phil. Can you get in regularly to get photos?

DPJ · Jul 10, 2007

Apologies for the quality of the following pics. I thought I'd give you an idea of what the induction looks like on the car. You can see how tight the RamAir is against the battery case and wing. The bubblewrap cushion is actually holding it away from the wing!

Once the intercooling is done, I need to sort the induction and then do a bit of engine tidying. The giveaway is the position of the dump valve.

Spot the red hose between the MAF and the metal tip! That was the ATP reducer that was supposed to go between oval and turbo!

probee · Jul 10, 2007

all looks good mate.. well done.

your induction kit looks as cramped as it would on an LCR now

Ruddmeister · Jul 10, 2007

Well done Dave, fine job......I know what you mean about the planning and you are right to get things sorted and planned (and have a contingency) upfront.

Currently planning some Home DIY 37inch LCD TV on an Articulated wall mount suspended off a wall with no cables showing....30+kg's at 0.5m off the wall on a plasterboard wall......again it's all in the planning.

I guess getting the induction kit properly mounted is a priority as you could do without loosing another MAF to excess vibration.....I assume you'll be keeping a close eye on this whilst logging otherwise a low reading MAF would be a nightmare

DPJ · Jul 10, 2007

Ruddmeister said:
Well done Dave, fine job......I know what you mean about the planning and you are right to get things sorted and planned (and have a contingency) upfront.

Currently planning some Home DIY 37inch LCD TV on an Articulated wall mount suspended off a wall with no cables showing....30+kg's at 0.5m off the wall on a plasterboard wall......again it's all in the planning.

I guess getting the induction kit properly mounted is a priority as you could do without loosing another MAF to excess vibration.....I assume you'll be keeping a close eye on this whilst logging otherwise a low reading MAF would be a nightmare

Cheers Steve! Those articulated mounts are cool - haven't got one but that's the way I'd go. How are you doing it? I think on a stud wall, I'd take a section of plasterboard out, fix some bearers into the stud, then fix a piece of 15 or18mm ply over that, with the plasterboard back over the top.

The Maf is interesting as it's scaled. I have no idea what it should be reading on vag-com at the moment.

Ruddmeister · Jul 10, 2007

DPJ said:
Cheers Steve! Those articulated mounts are cool - haven't got one but that's the way I'd go. How are you doing it? I think on a stud wall, I'd take a section of plasterboard out, fix some bearers into the stud, then fix a piece of 15 or18mm ply over that, with the plasterboard back over the top.

The Maf is interesting as it's scaled. I have no idea what it should be reading on vag-com at the moment.

Didn't really mean to go O/T but similar to what you suggested.......sharing an office with 3 construction site managers and a project manager and access to a buying department for a Regional office of a National Construction firm kinda helped my planning :cartman:

Didn;t realise the MAF was scaled...kinda blows my mind when they start talking about scaling / fooling the ECU.....I guess if it works, it works :cartman:

PhilW · Jul 10, 2007

DPJ said:
If It's there, you should get your thread started, Phil. Can you get in regularly to get photos?

Its about 45-1hrs drive away unfortunatly, but check my sig as i always keep a project diary of stuff i've done.

I'll take loads of photos when i do the install tho. Goin for a 3" BF decat as well i forgot along with S3 fuel pump and genesis 550ccs and Revo Stage 3 like you. Also throwing in a wideband for peace of mind.

DPJ · Jul 10, 2007

As a result of the latest mods, my insurance has gone up £40 pa.

Chemical Al · Jul 10, 2007

DPJ said:
As a result of the latest mods, my insurance has gone up £40 pa.

lol, you must be gutted

DPJ · Jul 13, 2007

How to **** up your weekend plans in one simple action.

My plan this weekend was to get some logging done on Vag-com, setting myself some datum logs and understand what I was dealing with. All in preparation for the more serious stuff when proper intercooler and 3" dp installed etc.

Mrs DPJ has been looking after the car this week as I didn't want to commute with it yet.

Got home at 5. Grabbed the laptop, plugged the Vag-Com cable in the laptop. Raining. Rushed out to the car clutching laptop and climbed in.

Electric seat very close to the steering wheel, ouch. Then I realised I'd snapped the dongle connector off the PCMCIA RS232 card that my Vag-Com lead attaches to. No logging for me this weekend. :doh:

Online (ebay) plenty of cards from Hong Kong for a £12 total if I can wait 9/10 working days. Otherwise, £70+ from uk companies. I bit the bullet and bought from the only UK Ebay supplier for £33

PhilW · Jul 13, 2007

What a punt in the c u nt dave.

How many miles it done so far now?

DPJ · Jul 13, 2007

PhilW said:
What a punt in the c u nt dave.

How many miles it done so far now?

About 30 Phil.

The temptation is to get out and drive it, but I must take it easy until I've seen the logs. I must (self-hypnosis). I had one swift blast tonight and my impression is that it's really holding the boost waaay up the range.

Did you get my reply email about fuel pumps, I rather think you missed it....

DPJ · Jul 14, 2007

All appears ok, no leaks now. Did a few miles today and it's fine. (The sound of the turbo off boost is lovely, like a huge hair drier running up and down in response to the throttle).

I'm mainly looking for rubbing issues now. Nothing serious - the heater pipes snake behind the turbo. Has anyone an idea why it's designed that way - to pick up heat? They run through heatshield woven material as standard. Now, that material is touching my compressor outlet - am I likely to have a problem?

Fuel consumption.... before, I had to fill the car up twice a week. Today, I filled it up for the first time in six weeks. :roflmao:

PhilW · Jul 15, 2007

Dave, if you can resend it i'll have a look.

I'm on msn as well if you use that, check my profile. Glad its running sweet tho.

Martyn · Jul 16, 2007

Just noticed this thread, awesome work mate.

DPJ · Jul 17, 2007

The first logs

Replacement RS232 card arrived for the laptop so I thought I'd do the first logs.

Revo Stage 3
LB9 T5
Outside temps 18 degrees.
Don't forget - No FMIC - running through existing small pipework (FMIC install this weekend), 2.5" DP (3" being fitted 3rd August), CAI & intake not ideal yet

MAF rescaled.

Code:

Group A:	'003			Group B:	'020			
Idle speed	Air mass in	Throt Angle	Ignit Angle	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	
700-820 rpm	2.0-4.5 g/s	0.2-4.0%	0-12 BTDC					
 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	
2480	40.06	94.5	25.5	0	0	0	0	
2680	46.22	100	26.3	0	3	0	3	
2880	55.67	100	25.5	0	3	0	3	
3120	64.39	100	21.8	0	3	0	3	
3400	75.67	100	21.8	0	2.3	0	2.3	
3720	90.44	100	19.5	0	2.3	0	2.3	
4000	104.92	100	18.8	0	1.5	0	1.5	
4360	123.31	100	16.5	0	1.5	0	1.5	
4680	139.72	100	12	0	1.5	0	1.5	
5080	164.14	100	8.3	0	0.8	0	0.8	
5440	174.14	100	12	0	0.8	0	0.8	
5720	179.92	100	11.3	0	0.8	0	0.8	
6040	187.58	100	12.8	0	0	0	0
6240	190.36	100	12.8	0	0	0	0

Code:

Group A:	'115			Group B:	'031
Engine Speed	Engine Load	Spec. Boost	Actual Boost	Lambda Factor	Lambda Factor
700-6800 RPM	15-150%	990-1800 mbar	<=1800 mbar		
 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar		
2400	84.2	1630	1200	0.977	1
2640	89.5	1740	1270	0.977	0.977
2840	95.5	1850	1330	0.945	0.945
3120	102.3	1960	1410	0.899	0.899
3360	111.3	2040	1500	0.836	0.836
3640	120.3	2130	1620	0.813	0.828
3960	131.6	2210	1810	0.813	0.828
4280	142.1	2230	1970	0.797	0.813
4640	155.6	2230	2130	0.797	0.805
5000	165.4	2240	2250	0.797	0.805
5280	169.2	2250	2280	0.797	0.805
5640	166.2	2250	2290	0.805	0.805
5960	164.7	2250	2240	0.797	0.805
6240	160.2	2260	2230	0.782	0.805

Code:

Group A:	'118			Group B:	'032
Engine Speed	Air Temp In	Boost Dut Cyc	Actual Boost	Idle O2 Adapt	Run O2 Adapt
700-6800 RPM	<=110 C	0-100% 	<=1800 mbar	-10.1	-10.1
 /min	°C	%	 mbar	%	%
2320	33	0	1020	2.3	0
2360	33	100	990	2.3	0
2440	32	100	1130	2.3	0
2600	31	100	1250	2.3	0
2760	30	100	1320	2.3	0
2920	30	100	1380	2.3	0
3080	30	100	1440	2.3	0
3280	30	100	1530	2.3	0
3480	30	100	1640	2.3	0
3720	32	100	1770	2.3	0
3920	33	97.6	1930	2.3	0
4200	34	74.1	2060	2.3	0
4440	36	64.7	2170	2.3	0
4600	38	60	2250	2.3	0
4840	40	59.2	2320	2.3	0
5080	45	52.2	2330	2.3	0
5320	48	45.9	2290	2.3	0
5480	51	43.9	2260	2.3	0
5640	54	44.7	2240	2.3	0
5840	57	46.3	2240	2.3	0
6000	61	47.1	2220	2.3	0
6160	64	49.8	2240	2.3	0
6320	68	52.9	2260	2.3	0
6040	68	0	1720	2.3	0

PhilW · Jul 17, 2007

Nice base figures so far dave, especially on smic. Turbo looks like its hardly trying! 18psi @ 6320 and showing 52.9% WG duty, you gotta be happy with that! Loads of scope for more.

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