Hybrid delivery delays

[kevinb]

Hi, I.m really pleased to have found this forum. I live in Portugal and have had a Formentor hybrid on order since December, but as seems usual, the dealer cannot give me any indication of build or delivery status. I have seen the recent posts about potential delays until 2023, but again my dealer says they know nothing about this. I have just called the Cupra "Head Office" in the UK to see what they say about the delays, and was totally stonewalled, they said I had to deal through the dealer. It seemed to me that if there are these delays they are not prepared to admit it! Anyway, I will continue to follow the forum and keep my fingers X'd.

 

[Ninjakebab]

Unfortunately the entire global industry - especially the electronic kind - is under massive delays, shortages and price increases.

The entire situation is chaotic and constantly changing so that's why no one wants to commit to a forecast
Not much to be done about it I'm afraid. So expecting 2023 or later is probably the healthier mindset.

 

[sgcamil]

Hi, I.m really pleased to have found this forum. I live in Portugal and have had a Formentor hybrid on order since December, but as seems usual, the dealer cannot give me any indication of build or delivery status. I have seen the recent posts about potential delays until 2023, but again my dealer says they know nothing about this. I have just called the Cupra "Head Office" in the UK to see what they say about the delays, and was totally stonewalled, they said I had to deal through the dealer. It seemed to me that if there are these delays they are not prepared to admit it! Anyway, I will continue to follow the forum and keep my fingers X'd.

You are "lucky". I ordered mine in November for deliver in June/July. As of now they are not even able to provide any delivery indication and trying to talk to them is like talking to the wall. I will be cancelling my order if by end September I am not provided with a reasonable delivery date

 

[El Dingo]

You are "lucky". I ordered mine in November for deliver in June/July. As of now they are not even able to provide any delivery indication and trying to talk to them is like talking to the wall. I will be cancelling my order if by end September I am not provided with a reasonable delivery date

I ordered last December and also don't have a build date. I'm also going to cancel.

 

[Drewy66]

I ordered last December and also don't have a build date. I'm also going to cancel.

I ordered in Nov 21 and still got no build date. Dealers sends a message every month with no update. When I say I will cancel they just shrug there shoulders and don't seem to be bothered. Problem is finding another available hybrid of the same style and build quality.

 

[El Dingo]

I ordered in Nov 21 and still got no build date. Dealers sends a message every month with no update. When I say I will cancel they just shrug there shoulders and don't seem to be bothered. Problem is finding another available hybrid of the same style and build quality.

That's exactly the problem. However I could order a Audi A3 with six months delivery, so I might switch to that.

 

[SRGTD]

That's exactly the problem. However I could order a Audi A3 with six months delivery, so I might switch to that.

Is that an Audi salesperson’s or leasing company’s optimistic view of delivery / lead times In order to gain your business? In your position, I’d be checking the Audi forums to get a view of how long customers are actually waiting for their cars before jumping over to the dark side.

I’ve read that Audi are removing or downgrading some items of spec from some models; presumably because of ongoing supply chain issues. Therefore, if a six month delivery is a realistic lead time, it could be that cars are being built with certain items of desirable / essential (for some owners) equipment missing. If you’re buying rather than leasing, reduced spec could impact resale values when the time comes to sell.

 

[pkaps]

At this point I wouldn't go for a hybrid unless it is a Lexus/Toyota that are specialising in that area and have adequate stock parts and the know how and service.. Hybrids, apart from being at the bottom of the production line due to many microchips that are required compared to a conventional model and the production of the batteries, even if you end up getting one in case of a breakdown, in one or another way, you would probably need months in waithing in order to get the parts to have it fixed. Not a good time to have a hybrid, wars, energy wars, trade sanctions etc are hindering microchips and hybrid batteries production and supply which are vital especially for hybrid cars production, companies prefer to produce more conventional cars that require less microchips, (they even cut extras on conventional cars in order to save on the use of microchips) than having to produce hybrid cars that require a lot more. Not to mention the rising cost of producing batteries for hybrids or electric cars, something that you have to consider come time for replacing the battery units. You may be covered for 6-7 years from the mother company from new but will be hard to resell after a few years without a hefty price cut.

 

[El Dingo]

At this point I wouldn't go for a hybrid unless it is a Lexus/Toyota that are specialising in that area and have adequate stock parts and the know how and service.. Hybrids, apart from being at the bottom of the production line due to many microchips that are required compared to a conventional model and the production of the batteries, even if you end up getting one in case of a breakdown, in one or another way, you would probably need months in waithing in order to get the parts to have it fixed. Not a good time to have a hybrid, wars, energy wars, trade sanctions etc are hindering microchips and hybrid batteries production and supply which are vital especially for hybrid cars production, companies prefer to produce more conventional cars that require less microchips, (they even cut extras on conventional cars in order to save on the use of microchips) than having to produce hybrid cars that require a lot more. Not to mention the rising cost of producing batteries for hybrids or electric cars, something that you have to consider come time for replacing the battery units. You may be covered for 6-7 years from the mother company from new but will be hard to resell after a few years without a hefty price cut.

How many more microchips hybrid v. Ice?

 

[El Dingo]

Is that an Audi salesperson’s or leasing company’s optimistic view of delivery / lead times In order to gain your business? In your position, I’d be checking the Audi forums to get a view of how long customers are actually waiting for their cars before jumping over to the dark side.

I’ve read that Audi are removing or downgrading some items of spec from some models; presumably because of ongoing supply chain issues. Therefore, if a six month delivery is a realistic lead time, it could be that cars are being built with certain items of desirable / essential (for some owners) equipment missing. If you’re buying rather than leasing, reduced spec could impact resale values when the time comes to sell.

Do you have evidence of Audi v. Cupra delivery times?

 

[SRGTD]

Do you have evidence of Audi v. Cupra delivery times?

No, but it should be fairly easy to get a view of realistic delivery times for Cupra by searching this forum. For Audi, an internet search on ’Audi A3 forum new car build delays‘ (or similar search) should give a view of what the typical / realistic delivery times are for an A3.

 

[Ninjakebab]

While you guys will probably get discrete differences from different makes, don't expect too much. This isn't a Cupra issue as you make it sound like. It's a global issue. The dealers can't do a damn thing, except shrug their shoulders when you say you will cancel.

 

[SRGTD]

While you guys will probably get discrete differences from different makes, don't expect too much. This isn't a Cupra issue as you make it sound like. It's a global issue. The dealers can't do a damn thing, except shrug their shoulders when you say you will cancel.

Agree 100%. Same story on other forums I visit for various car makes.

 

[El Dingo]

 

[El Dingo]

Ok, I have done some research, interviewing local Audi and Cupra dealers. It seems that hybrids have exactly the same delivery expectation from either, i.e. the end of Q2.
Some bad news. If you don't have a stated build week then you are no better off than someone ordering today. According to my sources today, the factories are brutal in their choice of which cars to build and this has nothing you do with who has ordered it. Some influencing factors include colour, LHD V RHD, which options are ordered, etc. Hybrids are not favoured in this process, as the factories want to minimise warranty obligations.

 

[RJP]

Ok, I have done some research, interviewing local Audi and Cupra dealers. It seems that hybrids have exactly the same delivery expectation from either, i.e. the end of Q2.
Some bad news. If you don't have a stated build week then you are no better off than someone ordering today. According to my sources today, the factories are brutal in their choice of which cars to build and this has nothing you do with who has ordered it. Some influencing factors include colour, LHD V RHD, which options are ordered, etc. Hybrids are not favoured in this process, as the factories want to minimise warranty obligations.

Oh man. This doesn't bode well!

 

[Franky]

Contacted Cupra last week to see if they have an update on the est. delivery date. Hybrid 245hp / full option / magnetic tech matt.

I ordered in March this year. Expected build week is 45. Delivery is 51 (delay of 6 weeks compared to earlier communicated dates). That would be a 9,5 month wait. Not as bad as other people on this forum with hybrids (still insane).

Besides the raw materials / component shortage and the war, does anyone know if delays are also based on the country where the order has been placed?

I asked the Cupra specialist in my country if he noticed any major delays / delivery time (18+ months) on other Formentor orders in The Netherlands and that was not the case. He expects week 51 to be reasonable, given the current situation.

Thoughts?

 

[M4st3r]

For the record: I am still waiting for my VZ2 245hp from 25 September 2021...

...scheduled week of production, the first of October (2022, but who would **** us by now )

 

[RJP]

For the record: I am still waiting for my VZ2 245hp from 25 September 2021...

...scheduled week of production, the first of October (2022, but who would **** us by now )

That's a long wait! Mine VZ2 Hybrid 245 has been on order since July 2021 and still no build date allocated! Estimated ETA stock is March 2023 for me

 

[M4st3r]

That's a long wait! Mine VZ2 Hybrid 245 has been on order since July 2021 and still no build date allocated! Estimated ETA stock is March 2023 for me

I really envy your patience.
I really don't think I will wait beyond Nov-Dec 2022: if in the meantime they confirm the release of the Alfa Romeo Tonale eHybrid 275hp (PHEV and 4wheels drive) I will cancel the order without a second thought....