Remap or RaceChip for V2 1.5 Tsi DSG?

[rpcor2]

Hi all,

Only joined this forum today; very informative already!! Quick question though... (only ordered last week; delivery ain't til April 2022 but need to ask)

I've had a remap done in the past on an old 2011 Skoda Fabia 1.2 TSi - and afterwards, that car flipping' flew!! So coming back to another TSi engine in April, was wondering what options are out there...

Read somewhere online that the chip boxes are better than remaps because can be reversed etc. This one was looking very interesting...

Can't grumble at an extra 44bhp and 73Nm torque!! And they're doing £100 off if purchased before 5th October...

What's your thoughts on this though please? Has anyone here chipped or remapped a Formentor 1.5 Tsi who can comment on 'after effects'? Or even anyone who can comment on RaceChips as a brand or had one of those installed?

The only thing I wouldn't really relish - is taking the thing out every time the car went back for service, so as not to invalidate the warranty!! Looks like hassle - and I'm not a mechanic, so it would be hassle fitting that wiring harness. But for £349 right now, well tempted to get one and put it down until April!

Appreciate your comments - good or bad? Thanks!!

 

[AndyCupra93]

Hi all,

Only joined this forum today; very informative already!! Quick question though... (only ordered last week; delivery ain't til April 2022 but need to ask)

I've had a remap done in the past on an old 2011 Skoda Fabia 1.2 TSi - and afterwards, that car flipping' flew!! So coming back to another TSi engine in April, was wondering what options are out there...

Read somewhere online that the chip boxes are better than remaps because can be reversed etc. This one was looking very interesting...

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Can't grumble at an extra 44bhp and 73Nm torque!! And they're doing £100 off if purchased before 5th October...

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What's your thoughts on this though please? Has anyone here chipped or remapped a Formentor 1.5 Tsi who can comment on 'after effects'? Or even anyone who can comment on RaceChips as a brand or had one of those installed?

The only thing I wouldn't really relish - is taking the thing out every time the car went back for service, so as not to invalidate the warranty!! Looks like hassle - and I'm not a mechanic, so it would be hassle fitting that wiring harness. But for £349 right now, well tempted to get one and put it down until April!

Appreciate your comments - good or bad? Thanks!!

Can’t speak for the racechip device itself but they’re regularly “discounted” so I wouldn’t let that coerce you.

I’ve previously had a Bluespark device in a Golf GTI 7.5. I think it was supposed to add about 40HP/NM. I never knew if it was placebo or real improved performance…

I do know it was a pain in the arse to install though - involved removing the engine-undertray and contorting hands into small places which wasn’t fun. Not sure if the Formentor would be similar.

 

[rpcor2]

Can’t speak for the racechip device itself but they’re regularly “discounted” so I wouldn’t let that coerce you.

I’ve previously had a Bluespark device in a Golf GTI 7.5. I think it was supposed to add about 40HP/NM. I never knew if it was placebo or real improved performance…

I do know it was a pain in the arse to install though - involved removing the engine-undertray and contorting hands into small places which wasn’t fun. Not sure if the Formentor would be similar.

Thanks @AndyCupra93

At least I can wait now until next year - to see if something better or improved comes along - as at £349, was about to pull the trigger.

What you say about the installation though... that's what I'm worried about!

 

[rpcor2]

Called RaceChip this morning to ask about the fitting of this (above post), to my future 1.5 TSi... the guy was pretty cool and honest and said that it's difficult to fit in Formentors, (for your 'average Joe' like me that is - some of you would have no problem!).

He mentioned about the wiring harness having three plugs on this vehicle; and after watching this mechanic do one on Youtube - having to lift the flamin' car up to get underneath it - that's closed this tuning box upgrade for me!

https://youtu.be/UyjFX9NWk0w

Then having to deinstall every time the car goes in for service so warranty isn't invalidated... what a faff!

 

[Deleted member 131219]

Thanks @AndyCupra93

At least I can wait now until next year - to see if something better or improved comes along - as at £349, was about to pull the trigger.

What you say about the installation though... that's what I'm worried about!

I’ve previously had a Bluespark device in a Golf GTI 7.5. I think it was supposed to add about 40HP/NM. I never knew if it was placebo or real improved performance…

The only way to solve that dilemma is to get before and after power runs on a rolling road. I'm lucky that my local trusted indie has one, and it's 4WD compatible as well.

 

[AndyCupra93]

The only way to solve that dilemma is to get before and after power runs on a rolling road. I'm lucky that my local trusted indie has one, and it's 4WD compatible as well.

The issue wasn’t so much whether the quoted figures were genuine, but if the performance gains were actually significant enough to notice or if one just feels as though it’s more powerful due to placebo (although you could argue that’s good enough justification for the mod in any case).

 

[MrBiggles87]

The issue wasn’t so much whether the quoted figures were genuine, but if the performance gains were actually significant enough to notice or if one just feels as though it’s more powerful due to placebo (although you could argue that’s good enough justification for the mod in any case).

Check out this news article from DTUK (who do piggyback systems like RaceChips)

Cupra Formentor 2.0 TSI tuned to 373ps and 487nm using a DTUK Tuning box - DTUK Performance

Cupra Formentor 2.0TSI 4drive 310PS The Cupra Formentor was launched in 2020 and is equipped with a 2.0 4 cylinder Petrol engine producing 310ps and 400nm. Our technical partners DTE Systems developed a plug and play tuning box that is now available on our website Cupra claim stats for the...

www.diesel-performance.co.uk

If genuine, the figures speak for themselves

 

[Jaco2k]

Please everyone, READ what I am about to write:

At least on the 310 model there is a new turbo, from a different manufacturer than the IS38 that was in the gen 3 engines.

A VAG specialist went over the changes and a VERY noteworthy one is that the new turbo has a rotation speed sensor and will log those to the ECU.
In practice, this means it will log when the turbo operates out of specification, either via a remap OR via a tuning box.

This would mean that the previously "untraceable" tuning boxes are now just as traceable as a ECU tune and could potentially also void your warranty.

Be very mindful of this when making decisions about what your tuning options are going to be.

Also, as of now, there are no remaps for this car - the ECU is also new and is still locked, so no one can remap or tune it.

In terms of tuning options, a remap will always be better than a tuning box - no matter how good the tuning box is, including the ABT ones.

There were persons with ABT Cupra R cars that removed the ABT box and instead made a remap after with much better results.

A chiptuned car might do a couple of decent pulls before it gets too warm, but afte that the power will be restricted - this is not the case with a remap.

So, let's all stop spreading the idea that a tuning box will keep the warranty, cause it won't.

 

[Deleted member 131219]

Please everyone, READ what I am about to write:

At least on the 310 model there is a new turbo, from a different manufacturer than the IS38 that was in the gen 3 engines.

A VAG specialist went over the changes and a VERY noteworthy one is that the new turbo has a rotation speed sensor and will log those to the ECU.
In practice, this means it will log when the turbo operates out of specification, either via a remap OR via a tuning box.

This would mean that the previously "untraceable" tuning boxes are now just as traceable as a ECU tune and could potentially also void your warranty.

Be very mindful of this when making decisions about what your tuning options are going to be.

Also, as of now, there are no remaps for this car - the ECU is also new and is still locked, so no one can remap or tune it.

In terms of tuning options, a remap will always be better than a tuning box - no matter how good the tuning box is, including the ABT ones.

There were persons with ABT Cupra R cars that removed the ABT box and instead made a remap after with much better results.

A chiptuned car might do a couple of decent pulls before it gets too warm, but afte that the power will be restricted - this is not the case with a remap.

So, let's all stop spreading the idea that a tuning box will keep the warranty, cause it won't.

Good information; thank you.

 

[rpcor2]

Good information; thank you.

I concur! Very good. Thanks @Jaco2k

 

[ninja_geezer]

Please everyone, READ what I am about to write:

At least on the 310 model there is a new turbo, from a different manufacturer than the IS38 that was in the gen 3 engines.

A VAG specialist went over the changes and a VERY noteworthy one is that the new turbo has a rotation speed sensor and will log those to the ECU.
In practice, this means it will log when the turbo operates out of specification, either via a remap OR via a tuning box.

This would mean that the previously "untraceable" tuning boxes are now just as traceable as a ECU tune and could potentially also void your warranty.

Be very mindful of this when making decisions about what your tuning options are going to be.

Also, as of now, there are no remaps for this car - the ECU is also new and is still locked, so no one can remap or tune it.

In terms of tuning options, a remap will always be better than a tuning box - no matter how good the tuning box is, including the ABT ones.

There were persons with ABT Cupra R cars that removed the ABT box and instead made a remap after with much better results.

A chiptuned car might do a couple of decent pulls before it gets too warm, but afte that the power will be restricted - this is not the case with a remap.

So, let's all stop spreading the idea that a tuning box will keep the warranty, cause it won't.

I had a bluespark box on my ,M240i i had it on a dyno for about 1.5 hours in june a couple of years ago was very warm. it still pulled 426bhp and 601nm .
it was rapid ,this formentor feels flat as a F--t compared, ok i know its 100kg heavier and is missing 2 cylinders and 1 litre .but don't write off tuning boxes until you use one that works ,i've had 5 on various cars all been on the dyno as well so none of this feels faster rubbish. the guy on the dyno could not believe the difference it made on the beemer.so i would use something like a bluespark (speak to ed at their place) or a DTUK german made box.
easy to fit as well, best to jack up to get at the sensor under the cars that use the E888 engines.my cousin still running a mk7 Golf R with a jb1 fitted that also works very well ,now done over 55k with it fitted .i also ran the same setup with a mk7 golf R although i did get some clutch slip.

 

[jcbmally]

I sent request of to Elite Remaps for the 1.5TSI Formentor, had a reply saying they can remap it. Gains are 25hp & 50NM. Anyone got experience of Elite Remaps ??

 

[ninja_geezer]

I sent request of to Elite Remaps for the 1.5TSI Formentor, had a reply saying they can remap it. Gains are 25hp & 50NM. Anyone got experience of Elite Remaps ??

thats good gains from a 1.5 motor.

 

[Kieran94]

Nothing to do with remap but I take out the snow grate in the filter box to allow it to breathe a bit more. Just undo the box screws, lift out the filter and remove the grate.

 

[jcbmally]

Nothing to do with remap but I take out the snow grate in the filter box to allow it to breathe a bit more. Just undo the box screws, lift out the filter and remove the grate.

Did you feel a difference?

 

[Kieran94]

Did you feel a difference?

Nah because I did it straight away! It may not do a lot but it must do something

 

[FormentorVZ3]

In Germany at least, there has been a tuner for over a year that (so far the only one) can reprogram the control unit.
Since he is the only one, it also costs a lot of money.
But he can get 444 / 490 or even 526 HP out of the Formentor.
But of course the warranty is gone, before anyone should ask ;-)

I have the 444 HP variant and am very happy with it.

 

[Jaco2k]

In Germany at least, there has been a tuner for over a year that (so far the only one) can reprogram the control unit.
Since he is the only one, it also costs a lot of money.
But he can get 444 / 490 or even 526 HP out of the Formentor.
But of course the warranty is gone, before anyone should ask ;-)

I have the 444 HP variant and am very happy with it.

Are you sure they reprogram the ECU?

I thought they replace the turbo and have a bespoke ECU that replaces the original, hence the cost.

 

[FormentorVZ3]

Yes, there is nothing new built in with me.
And you can see on the original that it has been opened and re-glued.
Because there were a few glue residues on the edge.
There is also a video (at 14:25 till 15:15) where he says in an interview that it was an enormous effort, but they can describe the original.

 

[Jaco2k]

Yes, there is nothing new built in with me.
And you can see on the original that it has been opened and re-glued.
Because there were a few glue residues on the edge.
There is also a video (at 14:25 till 15:15) where he says in an interview that it was an enormous effort, but they can describe the original.

Aaahhhhh... So they probably plug in straight to the board and edit the chip straight.

But again, I am pretty sure out of memory that they also change the turbo and replace it with an hybrid one.

The 526hp you mention is out of the VZ5 - quite different

But 10000€ for a stage 3 (which lacks some supporting mods, like intercooler and downpipe/exhaust + intake) seems like a steep price.
No doubt the power is good and fun, but that is a lot of cash.

Can you put some videos of some pulls and also share some times?

Would be nice to compare to other cars.

Do you have any Dyno printouts of the power curves?