SD Card and Sat Nav

[simonbalaam]

So went to try and look at getting a SD card for the Navigation on the car today and they tried to sell me a blank SD card for £68.25 and then said I can download the Navi data from the web!!
All seemed a bit odd to me.
Has anyone done or been able to do this?

 

[Tell]

Is it a mib2 standard fitted from circa 2015 - 2020 (ish). Probably.

You need the useful resource and matching thread:

GPS and satnav - Updating the inbuilt Mib2 Satnav / Mib2 tricks and Mib1

This resource is applicable to all Seat navigation systems plus other Vag brands which are MIB2 / 2.5. It is built from the knowledge base on the Leon forum from a long running thread which has the advantage of tracking the twists and turns over...

www.seatcupra.net

If it's a second hand car you bought from them they can generally just give you a card from their bottom draw then you follow the section on lost cards etc (draw might be empty thou with mib3 rollout). The steps are different if the unit has never seen a card in it before. If a card has been registered in it at sometime then the unit is paired to that release. You need to make two downloads one to that very early release and one to the latest. The early release gives you the overall.nds file for the "workaround" method detailed on the latest download - link on there. If it's never had a card in it then it will take the latest download without the need to go back to year zero of Seats mib2 standard releases.

There is a way for dealers with ODIS to reset the unit but the knowledge base isn't there, Mapcare was not supported in the UK. What you have been told is half the story if it's used car unless it's a virgin mib2 one that's been hanging about.

On cards they use VAG cards which contain a CID.That £68-25 is paying for the map on the card unless it includes a little bit of ODIS work... too cheap for that. You can get cheaper VAG cards off your favourite e-seller whether Seat, Skoda or VW... all contain a CID which the unit will recognise.

The latest download comes in an all Europe form and zoned countries. The all Europe one has broken the 16gb card barrier this year. Not an issue if you dont intend to drive right across Europe from corner to corner. You can buy either card, 16gb or 32gb versions. Older cards are cheaper since they have old maps on them which you are going to delete in any case.... or you can future proof yourself and get 32gb VAG card... but only really necessary if travelling between those zoned regions. Within zone, 16gb is fine. There is the language file workaround as well covered which is a temporary fix for getting the all Europe map on a 16gb card till it out grows that.

Just to confound matters there are tools to modify the units firmware to remove the requirement to use a special card... but I wouldn't recommend that, more invasive than just getting a genuine card but you will have to use the workaround method with it to stay up to date.

If it's a unit dating to mib1 (to 2015 or so) you are more stuck. You need any VAG card but you need the exact release of the map to put on it. It can't be updated either by the user. That's documented.

Fingers crossed you got a mib2 standard.

 

[simonbalaam]

Hiya. Thanks for the reply. I was trying for hours last night and never got very far. Below is the unit we have. There was an empty sat nav box in the car when we bought it so I’m guessing it was activated at some point and I have a 32gb card of from what I have read it may not be able to be used. Hopefully you might be able to give a bit more of a paint by numbers answer if possible please. If I have to buy something then so be it but I don’t want to waste money on the wrong thing.
thanks for your help
Simon

 

[Tell]

The 6p on the back of the box means it's a mib2 standard those graphics fall in line with that.

You just need to get hold of a Vag card. I'd treat yourself to a 32gb Skoda card. I bought one last year to test out. Skoda announced that the all European map was breaking the 32gb barrier soon so did it to experiment. This year people have been buying them for the latest 1730 release.

Example:

Updating the inbuilt Mib2 Satnav / Mib2 tricks and Mib1

Ordered a 32GB Skoda SD Card from Lithuania, took a good 10 days to arrive but it is the real thing. V14 1730 with part no 5L0 051 236 CH Europe 1 (All Europe in SEAT speak). Ported over my OVERALL.NDS file and it worked straight away. I have also upgraded my old SEAT V7 Card to V14 with GB...

www.seatcupra.net

Some more posts around there. They come in from Europe although mine last year came from the UK.

You can perfect a Google with your favourite e seller in it with

"Skoda V14 32gb"

You could quiz them that it's 32gb. I see there is an East Grinstead seller... or you get it from further a field. The v14 means it's the latest maps 1730 so you dont need to do that download. That what t_v did. They already had a card so moved the overall.nds file over which there unit was registered with. Yours on face value is registered with the v7 shown on your box. We roll back time and you use the Skoda link as per

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Lost, Stolen and Missing Cards from a Mib2 Standard Unit

Godzzi and myself covered on the thread the process of getting back a card that was lost or stolen out of the unit. Buy a card and put back the overall.nds file from the year or one before. For good measure you can go back to V1 Seat map release rather than playing lucky dip with the download releases if you don't know which release was paired with the car, link below and use the most recent map update over writing the overall.nds file with the V1 one.

V1 link (Credit Markobc with that one):

http://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto.com/base/maps/0430_MP143-1248.0EUR.zip

or Skoda's download manager version (more resilient to network timing out issues)

http://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto....der.exe?ver=636797902467464786&extension=.exe

Godzzi tested for me that going back beyond the paired overall.nds file worked. So if in doubt jump back releases if you don't know what the release was. Then do the workaround using the overall.nds file. (I did test that with a unit with the overall.nds of 1030 and works fine with 0430)

Variation of the workaround but going back to the Seat base year for mib2 if no more information on what was in the car. Full credit goes to Exciter for the workaround. Basically now identified that these overall.nds files contains effectively a release date stamp as well as a general database index. For other VAG cars you might want to go back to 0235 (2014/15) which is the very first release ahead of it coming to Seat.

The card needs to be a Standard Mib2 card, can be Seat, Skoda or VW. Might wish to consider the recent 32GB card planning ahead.
<<

You can do that whilst waiting delivery of the card. Best to use a PC if using a Mac deploy the stuff I say. Mac's deposit garbage on the download. I'd use the download manager above its more resilient to wobbles in Skoda servers. You can save that to your hard drive rather than writing it to your SD card. See what I mean when you run that or just use the first link if Skoda servers hold up for that. You unzip using 7 zip yo your hard drive. That's the year zero release of Seat mib2 standard.

That download will contain a suitable overall.nds file that's the one you need for the workaround... the one you over write the latest file with. Equivalent to the one you would have if your card wasn't lost. Pick it out and put it to one side.

If you buy the latest v14 card above then you dont need to download the latest since you will have it but you will need to copy over the overall.nds file.

The documented work around... you just got point 9 to do . Take a copy of it thou before hand.

>>
Workaround

Using a PC or a MAC ?

PC: 7 Zip is the preferred VW tool, other unzip tool including those built into Windows, can cause difficulties.

7 zip can be obtained from

https://www.7-zip.org/download.html

MAC: VW instructions

"ATTENTION

If the map update is performed using the Apple® OS X operating system you may find that
Discover Media does not recognise the map material or displays it incorrectly. This is due to
a lack of compatibility between the “7 zip” program and the OS-X operating system. In
addition, the OS-X operating system has a tendency to create hidden additional files on
external data media. We therefore recommend that OS X users use the “Keka” unzipping
program. We also recommend using the “CleanMyDrive” program to remove any hidden files."

If a MAC is used CleanMyDrive is run against the SD card after the maps are copied across to the SD card.

Having identified which unzipping tool is required and special Mac SD card cleaning required... free to proceed.

Steps:

1. Download the latest standard MIB2 maps
2. on the infotainment go to settings, safely remove, sd1 card
3. remove sd1 card from glove box slot
4. long press on the on / off to reboot it a couple of times
5. insert sd card in to computer
6. copy and paste all contents to a directory on your computer
7. Format the SD card keep it as fat32 and leave format settings as default in file explorer (don't forget to push the card lock mechanism to off) (ditto in a MAC or delete all from the SD card)
8. Copy the new downloaded map version to the SD card (after unzipping it)
9. Replace /maps/EEC/EEC_WLD/OVERALL.NDS on the SD CARD with the one from the original SD card
10. eject the sd card (on a MAC run CleanMyDrive on the SD card - then eject)
11. Inserted the card into the card 1 slot in glove box whilst infotainment is off
12. power on and go to navigation

The unit should then boot up into navigation. Note it does take a little longer first time round. If it refuses to boot up, press the volume button forcing a reboot, hold down until the unit reboots. If this fails it will be issues on the overall.nds file / copy issues. Revisit the process. Failing this restore the back up.

You will also need to pick up any POIs that you show on the screen since these will be dropped after a map update. Petrol stations, parking location etc.

Do not format the card in anything other than Fat32. The unit runs QNX so will not correctly see the SD card if it is not in Fat32. The CID is not deleted in a format that is outside of the area that can be addressed.
<<

In future with the next map release you follow 1-12.

The trepidation is getting the card. Picking the right e seller with the genuine article.

 

[simonbalaam]

The 6p on the back of the box means it's a mib2 standard those graphics fall in line with that.

You just need to get hold of a Vag card. I'd treat yourself to a 32gb Skoda card. I bought one last year to test out. Skoda announced that the all European map was breaking the 32gb barrier soon so did it to experiment. This year people have been buying them for the latest 1730 release.

Example:

Updating the inbuilt Mib2 Satnav / Mib2 tricks and Mib1

Ordered a 32GB Skoda SD Card from Lithuania, took a good 10 days to arrive but it is the real thing. V14 1730 with part no 5L0 051 236 CH Europe 1 (All Europe in SEAT speak). Ported over my OVERALL.NDS file and it worked straight away. I have also upgraded my old SEAT V7 Card to V14 with GB...

www.seatcupra.net

Some more posts around there. They come in from Europe although mine last year came from the UK.

You can perfect a Google with your favourite e seller in it with

"Skoda V14 32gb"

You could quiz them that it's 32gb. I see there is an East Grinstead seller... or you get it from further a field. The v14 means it's the latest maps 1730 so you dont need to do that download. That what t_v did. They already had a card so moved the overall.nds file over which there unit was registered with. Yours on face value is registered with the v7 shown on your box. We roll back time and you use the Skoda link as per

>>
Lost, Stolen and Missing Cards from a Mib2 Standard Unit

Godzzi and myself covered on the thread the process of getting back a card that was lost or stolen out of the unit. Buy a card and put back the overall.nds file from the year or one before. For good measure you can go back to V1 Seat map release rather than playing lucky dip with the download releases if you don't know which release was paired with the car, link below and use the most recent map update over writing the overall.nds file with the V1 one.

V1 link (Credit Markobc with that one):

http://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto.com/base/maps/0430_MP143-1248.0EUR.zip

or Skoda's download manager version (more resilient to network timing out issues)

http://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto....der.exe?ver=636797902467464786&extension=.exe

Godzzi tested for me that going back beyond the paired overall.nds file worked. So if in doubt jump back releases if you don't know what the release was. Then do the workaround using the overall.nds file. (I did test that with a unit with the overall.nds of 1030 and works fine with 0430)

Variation of the workaround but going back to the Seat base year for mib2 if no more information on what was in the car. Full credit goes to Exciter for the workaround. Basically now identified that these overall.nds files contains effectively a release date stamp as well as a general database index. For other VAG cars you might want to go back to 0235 (2014/15) which is the very first release ahead of it coming to Seat.

The card needs to be a Standard Mib2 card, can be Seat, Skoda or VW. Might wish to consider the recent 32GB card planning ahead.
<<

You can do that whilst waiting delivery of the card. Best to use a PC if using a Mac deploy the stuff I say. Mac's deposit garbage on the download. I'd use the download manager above its more resilient to wobbles in Skoda servers. You can save that to your hard drive rather than writing it to your SD card. See what I mean when you run that or just use the first link if Skoda servers hold up for that. You unzip using 7 zip yo your hard drive. That's the year zero release of Seat mib2 standard.

That download will contain a suitable overall.nds file that's the one you need for the workaround... the one you over write the latest file with. Equivalent to the one you would have if your card wasn't lost. Pick it out and put it to one side.

If you buy the latest v14 card above then you dont need to download the latest since you will have it but you will need to copy over the overall.nds file.

The documented work around... you just got point 9 to do . Take a copy of it thou before hand.

>>
Workaround

Using a PC or a MAC ?

PC: 7 Zip is the preferred VW tool, other unzip tool including those built into Windows, can cause difficulties.

7 zip can be obtained from

https://www.7-zip.org/download.html

MAC: VW instructions

"ATTENTION

If the map update is performed using the Apple® OS X operating system you may find that
Discover Media does not recognise the map material or displays it incorrectly. This is due to
a lack of compatibility between the “7 zip” program and the OS-X operating system. In
addition, the OS-X operating system has a tendency to create hidden additional files on
external data media. We therefore recommend that OS X users use the “Keka” unzipping
program. We also recommend using the “CleanMyDrive” program to remove any hidden files."

If a MAC is used CleanMyDrive is run against the SD card after the maps are copied across to the SD card.

Having identified which unzipping tool is required and special Mac SD card cleaning required... free to proceed.

Steps:

1. Download the latest standard MIB2 maps
2. on the infotainment go to settings, safely remove, sd1 card
3. remove sd1 card from glove box slot
4. long press on the on / off to reboot it a couple of times
5. insert sd card in to computer
6. copy and paste all contents to a directory on your computer
7. Format the SD card keep it as fat32 and leave format settings as default in file explorer (don't forget to push the card lock mechanism to off) (ditto in a MAC or delete all from the SD card)
8. Copy the new downloaded map version to the SD card (after unzipping it)
9. Replace /maps/EEC/EEC_WLD/OVERALL.NDS on the SD CARD with the one from the original SD card
10. eject the sd card (on a MAC run CleanMyDrive on the SD card - then eject)
11. Inserted the card into the card 1 slot in glove box whilst infotainment is off
12. power on and go to navigation

The unit should then boot up into navigation. Note it does take a little longer first time round. If it refuses to boot up, press the volume button forcing a reboot, hold down until the unit reboots. If this fails it will be issues on the overall.nds file / copy issues. Revisit the process. Failing this restore the back up.

You will also need to pick up any POIs that you show on the screen since these will be dropped after a map update. Petrol stations, parking location etc.

Do not format the card in anything other than Fat32. The unit runs QNX so will not correctly see the SD card if it is not in Fat32. The CID is not deleted in a format that is outside of the area that can be addressed.
<<

In future with the next map release you follow 1-12.

The trepidation is getting the card. Picking the right e seller with the genuine article.

Thank you.

Been having a look at cards and it looks like a minefield.

I spoke to a seat dealer yesterday who was convinced that any SD card from a 2018 Alhambra would work!

 

[Tell]

Thank you.

Been having a look at cards and it looks like a minefield.

I spoke to a seat dealer yesterday who was convinced that any SD card from a 2018 Alhambra would work!

Get him to give you one free !. Their bottom draw use to be full of them.

Unless they have unregistered your unit it will only work with the card release first put in or any before. Hence why we use the year dot file. It's a flaw in the security that you can move that file between releases. It's suppose to lock you down to that release. It was identified by a clever guy on here 4.5 years ago, spread across all boards now.

A lot of disinformation about those cards about. Any VAG Mib card will be recognised by the unit but it does require the work around to make the latest release to work with it. The CID is to ensure that VAG gets a revenue stream from the sale of those cards for people with Mapcare. The overall.nds file is a second level of protection for Mapcare. Given it was never sold in the UK it's not protecting too much.

If you can't blag a card off a Seat dealer for free then buy one from an e seller with good reviews or cough up the garage figure. Plenty of people here have done either to get the 32gb card rather than the original 16gb one or where the card has been lost on a secondhand car they have bought. The t_v solution I gave you is the neet-est for a 32gb card with the maps already on it. The map releases are common between brands, it just shows you a different part number by reading the units firmware details on the unit or stamped on the card by brand. One map release for all brands, twice a year, that's mib2 standard.

 

[simonbalaam]

A lot to digest

thanks for your help

 

[simonbalaam]

Well I got the Skoda card from the lovely online auction site but took a week to come but slotted in and worked straight away.


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