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I am the proud owner of a beautiful white Cupra which I bought ex-demo from Letchworth Autoways (highly recommended by the way!).
I have had the car for a little while now and I am fully aware that my car is about to be superseded by a new top of the range model, the Cupra R. I did know about this model when I bought my Cupra, and I after some research I purposely chose not to place an order for the Cupra R.
***These are the facts. This thread is not set out to rain on the Cupra R owners club parade. I am sure you will be very happy with your new car when you get it! However I feel people need all the information in one place in order to make an informed decision before taking the plunge. I will let you make up your own mind as to which is the better deal for you. I will not force feed my own opinions. I will try to be as un-biased as possible. For accuracies sake, I have used my own experiences and pricing figures to give a "real world" scenario.***
A 10 plate ex-demo Cupra with 2000 miles on the clock - £20,000.
This is with:
Standard cloth interior.
Gloss black 18" wheels.
Sat Nav, Bluetooth Handsfree, DAB and MP3/AUX.
Dealership installed Revo remap to take it to 310bhp (which would otherwise cost about £400 from a Revo dealer). Maintains full warranty!
A brand new Cupra R - £25,000
Extra standard specification included in the price which you would otherwise have to pay more for on a regular Cupra:
Leather seats - £1335
Bi-xenon with ASF - £745 - In the real world, this can't be properly retrofitted...
19" wheels - You can't factory spec on a regular Cupra.
Rerofit options:
x2 external "R" logos - £40 at an over-approximated estimatation.
A gloss black stick on roof spoiler - £135 from accessories brochure +£60 fitting.
A gloss black rear diffuser - £205 from accessories brochure +£75 fitting.
A dual exit exhaust - £330 from accessories brochure +£75 fitting.
An "R" logo on the speedometer... no idea what a new set of dials would cost, would be a pain to retrofit also...
Total to turn my Cupra into a Cupra R - £3000
Differences between the two cars:
I would have 18" Cupra wheels instead of 19" Cupra R wheels.
I wouldn't have an "R" logo on my speedometer.
My car isn't brand new, it had done 2000 miles when I collected it.
My car has 310bhp as appose to the standard Cupra R which has 265bhp.
Things to consider:
1. On the face of it it appears that you would be £2000 better off. Not necessrily the case though. You could argue that depreciation between a new car and one that has done 2000 and is 4 months old could be around the £1000 mark.
2. In the real world you would never be able to retrofit the R instrument cluster or Bi-xenon lights. The cost and pain in the arse factor would BY FAR outweigh the benefit. This would always be the "teller" if you were to sit a Cupra and Cupra R next to each other.
3. If you remapped a Cupra R, you would still only end up with 310bhp. The hardware between the two cars is 99% identical. I believe the intercooler on the Cupra R is very slightly different but that is it (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)!
4. You could turn a Cupra into a Cupra R NOW! All retrofit parts are availble from SEAT (speak to David at SERE Motors). This is ironic as there is quite a lead time on the Cupra R as most dealerships only get allocation for 2 each month... You could end up with a lookalike faster than a person who has placed their order. Worst thing is I doubt they would be able to tell the difference!!!
So in effect, you could be about £1000 better off. However there is pleasure/chore (depends how you look at it) of making the changes. You could also argue that in my case I am a further £400 better off due to having Revo thrown in with the deal.
My Conclusion:
I will end on this. I myself will be looking to create a kind of Cupra R-a-like. I think the exterior styling is very subtly better than a regular Cupra. However I will not begrudge doing things like replacing the wheels with say BBS 19" or completley retrimming the interior and seats in leather/alcantara as I haven't already paid "extra" for a factory equivalent option by choosing a higher specification model, with an increased list price, which includes these options as standard. Basically I can use the money I've saved to spend on personalising the car into what I perceive as being "better than how SEAT designed" as it will be tailored to my own persoanl taste.
If you are looking to do the same sort of thing as me and modify the car extensively, I would recommend the Cupra. If you are likely to just buy the car and enjoy it for what it is, go for the Cupra R!
Thanks for reading,
Pat
I have had the car for a little while now and I am fully aware that my car is about to be superseded by a new top of the range model, the Cupra R. I did know about this model when I bought my Cupra, and I after some research I purposely chose not to place an order for the Cupra R.
***These are the facts. This thread is not set out to rain on the Cupra R owners club parade. I am sure you will be very happy with your new car when you get it! However I feel people need all the information in one place in order to make an informed decision before taking the plunge. I will let you make up your own mind as to which is the better deal for you. I will not force feed my own opinions. I will try to be as un-biased as possible. For accuracies sake, I have used my own experiences and pricing figures to give a "real world" scenario.***
A 10 plate ex-demo Cupra with 2000 miles on the clock - £20,000.
This is with:
Standard cloth interior.
Gloss black 18" wheels.
Sat Nav, Bluetooth Handsfree, DAB and MP3/AUX.
Dealership installed Revo remap to take it to 310bhp (which would otherwise cost about £400 from a Revo dealer). Maintains full warranty!
A brand new Cupra R - £25,000
Extra standard specification included in the price which you would otherwise have to pay more for on a regular Cupra:
Leather seats - £1335
Bi-xenon with ASF - £745 - In the real world, this can't be properly retrofitted...
19" wheels - You can't factory spec on a regular Cupra.
Rerofit options:
x2 external "R" logos - £40 at an over-approximated estimatation.
A gloss black stick on roof spoiler - £135 from accessories brochure +£60 fitting.
A gloss black rear diffuser - £205 from accessories brochure +£75 fitting.
A dual exit exhaust - £330 from accessories brochure +£75 fitting.
An "R" logo on the speedometer... no idea what a new set of dials would cost, would be a pain to retrofit also...
Total to turn my Cupra into a Cupra R - £3000
Differences between the two cars:
I would have 18" Cupra wheels instead of 19" Cupra R wheels.
I wouldn't have an "R" logo on my speedometer.
My car isn't brand new, it had done 2000 miles when I collected it.
My car has 310bhp as appose to the standard Cupra R which has 265bhp.
Things to consider:
1. On the face of it it appears that you would be £2000 better off. Not necessrily the case though. You could argue that depreciation between a new car and one that has done 2000 and is 4 months old could be around the £1000 mark.
2. In the real world you would never be able to retrofit the R instrument cluster or Bi-xenon lights. The cost and pain in the arse factor would BY FAR outweigh the benefit. This would always be the "teller" if you were to sit a Cupra and Cupra R next to each other.
3. If you remapped a Cupra R, you would still only end up with 310bhp. The hardware between the two cars is 99% identical. I believe the intercooler on the Cupra R is very slightly different but that is it (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)!
4. You could turn a Cupra into a Cupra R NOW! All retrofit parts are availble from SEAT (speak to David at SERE Motors). This is ironic as there is quite a lead time on the Cupra R as most dealerships only get allocation for 2 each month... You could end up with a lookalike faster than a person who has placed their order. Worst thing is I doubt they would be able to tell the difference!!!
So in effect, you could be about £1000 better off. However there is pleasure/chore (depends how you look at it) of making the changes. You could also argue that in my case I am a further £400 better off due to having Revo thrown in with the deal.
My Conclusion:
I will end on this. I myself will be looking to create a kind of Cupra R-a-like. I think the exterior styling is very subtly better than a regular Cupra. However I will not begrudge doing things like replacing the wheels with say BBS 19" or completley retrimming the interior and seats in leather/alcantara as I haven't already paid "extra" for a factory equivalent option by choosing a higher specification model, with an increased list price, which includes these options as standard. Basically I can use the money I've saved to spend on personalising the car into what I perceive as being "better than how SEAT designed" as it will be tailored to my own persoanl taste.
If you are looking to do the same sort of thing as me and modify the car extensively, I would recommend the Cupra. If you are likely to just buy the car and enjoy it for what it is, go for the Cupra R!
Thanks for reading,
Pat
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